Strayfire
Rookie
It plays exactly like my Prostaff 90, just less static weight/SW.
It's funny to me how in 2020, Dunlop makes a more faithful Prostaff than Wilson does.
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It plays exactly like my Prostaff 90, just less static weight/SW.
It's funny to me how in 2020, Dunlop makes a more faithful Prostaff than Wilson does.
Jake Speeed
Professional
I know nothing about the Wilson or how the CX 200 plays.
My interest would be with how the racket feels while hitting a verity of balls with the shot making process. Different shots.
Balance? Plus weight? Gotta factor in flex or stiff then string tension. Weight is easy to control, balance is a bit more complicated, string tension is a personal thing but, in most cases, shouldn't be. Players believe their extremely different than all the others so many different ideas and statements can be had when talking about any one racket. Set up differently for each individual.
An important element in the set-up equation is science, which is sometimes ignored.
JS
Strayfire
Rookie
I am referring to the feel/feedback on contact. This has nothing to do with specs or measurements.
No idea what your point is supposed to be here.
There's no scientific way of measuring how the ball feels like a ProStaff 90 in terms of "rawness" apart from a similar RA and beam construction.
Swing weight and static weight are certainly much lower on the CX 200 Tour and that is objectively measureable. As such the frame is much easier to swing but lacks the stability it needs.
You can make the exact same specs as the CX 200 Tour and the feel will be completely different. Many modern frames are excessively dampened with technologies like VDM/Cortex and that won't show up on a balance/SW/static weight spec sheet. The CX 200 Tour is "sweet" because it is not dampened like modern frames and feels similar to hit with like a ProStaff 90/95 series racquet from Wilson. The ProStaff 97 feels completely different and thus is not "faithful" to its heritage.
RickySpanish
New User
Good to see another M-fil 200 plus user! I recently revisited the 2 I had lying around as I didn't feel like getting my aerogel 200s restrung and it has become a main racquet for me. I've been loving hitting with it. I've had instantly better serves and just had to make a slight adjustment for groundstrokes and volleys. I am starting to develop some shoulder pain from serving, but I think I attribute that to a recent uptick in the amount of play or just getting older.
Jake Speeed
Professional
People who "market" these items come up with all kinds of interesting words to help sell their rackets. They try to find words that others don't use in descriptive advertising text. Players "parrot' these words and there's nothing wrong with this.
If one lets the smoke clear, what's left is the science. then there's the size plus the strength of the human being.
My interest with a racket is the following:
Racket weight
Racket flex or stiffness
Balance
String tension
Sweet spot
Overall length
Grip size
Yea, and a million brands of strings all claiming to offer something different and better. Start reading that stuff and you need a pill.
I have the same "math" if you will, as I have had when I first figured out my needs and feel in a racket. Took years. I go way back to wood, before the earth was formed.
Yes, rackets have changed for the better but the science doesn't. I made adjustments as we all do.
I have to buy off the shelf and can't afford to purchase a bunch to sample. And I'm not ATP where I can tell a manufacturer my needs and they custom make it. Demos don't work because I cut a .5" off my rackets and remove material from inside the handle to make them head heavy without adding weight. The opposite actually.
Over many years, I've let many people use my rackets and they say Wow! Some even say Holly ****! Some don't like them.
It's not a good thing to keep changing rackets all the time, unless you have a set-up, "math" which you can do to the racket to achieve the same feel you're used to. I've been at this way to long to adjust myself to a racket. It's easier to alter the racket.
No matter how many rackets I have, I can make them all feel the same, or really close.
JS
Notorious_Junkballer
Hall of Fame
Let us know how it plays! I've been thinking about giving the FX500 Tour a try...
topspn
Legend
Yeah I got the 100 not the 98 tour version
MayorGorman
Rookie
Currently play with 3 customized CX 200 Tour 16x19. Have demoed the FX line and SX lines of racquet. Hard to dislike what Dunlop is doing currently, wish they could get some faces on tour so more people would be willing to try these racquets.
basil J
Hall of Fame
I have been a longtime Dunlop user. ( 20 years) Learned to play with the revelation 200 and moved to the MW 200g for years. I still use the Aerogel 200 in work outs and certain match play. I play at the 4.0 level.
My main complaint with the 200 is that the string bed is very tight in the middle of the frame and wider spaced the further you move away from the center. This creates a tiny sweet spot, that is great when you are "on" but very unforgiving if you are having an off day. the 200G mold has literally not changed in 20 years. I tried out the CX 200 tour the other night and the string bed was identical to my aerogel 200. It had a little more pop than my aerogel, but otherwise I could have closed my eyes and not known the difference. It's basically the same racket, made with different materials.! IMO, Dunlop should move the 200 series to a 98" head, create an evenly spaced 18 x 20 string bed and leave everything else the same. I love the Dunlop grip shape, weight , feel, flex, balance and swing weight of the old 200 series. The reality is that the 200 is a hard racquet to use, unless you play quite regularly and are at least a strong 3.5-4.0, you will not experience the benefits and the joy this series has to offer. Again, just my opinion, but I know at least 5 solid 4.0-5.0 players who love the 200 series frames, but would never use them in match play because they are so demanding.
My main complaint with the 200 is that the string bed is very tight in the middle of the frame and wider spaced the further you move away from the center. This creates a tiny sweet spot, that is great when you are "on" but very unforgiving if you are having an off day. the 200G mold has literally not changed in 20 years. I tried out the CX 200 tour the other night and the string bed was identical to my aerogel 200. It had a little more pop than my aerogel, but otherwise I could have closed my eyes and not known the difference. It's basically the same racket, made with different materials.! IMO, Dunlop should move the 200 series to a 98" head, create an evenly spaced 18 x 20 string bed and leave everything else the same. I love the Dunlop grip shape, weight , feel, flex, balance and swing weight of the old 200 series. The reality is that the 200 is a hard racquet to use, unless you play quite regularly and are at least a strong 3.5-4.0, you will not experience the benefits and the joy this series has to offer. Again, just my opinion, but I know at least 5 solid 4.0-5.0 players who love the 200 series frames, but would never use them in match play because they are so demanding.
Notorious_Junkballer
Hall of Fame
CX200 is 98 SqIn, as is the CX200+ and CX200LS. The Tour versions are 95:ers, though. I too found the CX200 Tour 18x20 to have an extremely tight string bed where as the 16x19 version reminds me of many 98 sinchers with 18x20. I usually like 18x20 more but in CX200 Tour 16x19 works better.
Songs For A Dead Pilot
Semi-Pro
Biomimetic 200 and Dunlop PT924 along my current testing bag (on the daily basis I still play with TGT291.2/Liquidmetal Radical MP/IG Radical Pro).
I guess this Dunlop prostock along with PT57A (not sure which is better) are the best feeling 95-98" rackets I ever used.
Jake Speeed
Professional
I know someone who works in the space industry.
I asked him about all these so called "different" rackets.
He said he knows nothing about tennis rackets, but he did say, in the past ten years there's been no new epoxies or carbon fiber materials.
So whatever they do or make these rackets with, and I do have some understanding, the composition hasn't changed in 10 years.
Same for every brand.
I asked him about all these so called "different" rackets.
He said he knows nothing about tennis rackets, but he did say, in the past ten years there's been no new epoxies or carbon fiber materials.
So whatever they do or make these rackets with, and I do have some understanding, the composition hasn't changed in 10 years.
Same for every brand.
topspn
Legend
I’ve hit a couple of times with my FX 500 adding a leather grip and at first 4g @12. Played nice but a bit too powerful. I switched over the 4g divided between 2&10 and it added stability and plays with nicer control. This is a pretty easy forgiving stick with a good connection to the ball. It is hard to find fault in its playability. I currently have it at 333g and 32.5cm balance.
TennisHound
Legend
I used the CV 3.0F Tour for awhile. If it was maybe 1pt more HL and about .1oz lighter, it would be everything the Babolat Aero VS and PD VS were shooting for. Excellent racquet regardless of balance and weight - it’s as close as you’ll ever get to a 97” PD and PA.https://share.icloud.com/photos/0VoIlLxbUK4UTYdpENSPX46DA#Bossier_City
Notorious_Junkballer
Hall of Fame
I have one in my bag as well though I haven't played that much with it. I find it pretty stiff! What strings have you tried in it?
TennisHound
Legend
I used a softer poly, either Head Sonic Pro or Luxilon Element in it.
Suppose I should apply for my membership card ... picked up a CX 2.0 on Black Friday last year and liked it so much I got 3 more new old stock or lightly used demos on clearance as well as spare grommets.
Sweet spot is huge compared to my Wilson 6.1s with so much stability in the upper string bed. Still adjusting to the lighter weight on my volleys and feel shots but it makes everything else so much easier overall.
Sweet spot is huge compared to my Wilson 6.1s with so much stability in the upper string bed. Still adjusting to the lighter weight on my volleys and feel shots but it makes everything else so much easier overall.
Songs For A Dead Pilot
Semi-Pro
Suppose I should apply for my membership card ... picked up a CX 2.0 on Black Friday last year and liked it so much I got 3 more new old stock or lightly used demos on clearance as well as spare grommets.
Sweet spot is huge compared to my Wilson 6.1s with so much stability in the upper string bed. Still adjusting to the lighter weight on my volleys and feel shots but it makes everything else so much easier overall.
Also have 2x CX2.0 Tour – they seem much flexier from CX200 Tour, but I think they require some extra lead for power (and some stability).
These frames are really comfy and have nice feedback – not only comparing to Wilson frames (which are way stiffer from Head or Dunlop) – but also to offerings from Head from the last decade.
You mind sharing your string setups and mods? I also bought this racket on heavy discount last year. I agree that there's not very much oomph on volleys, so I typically have to put more arm into my volleys (as opposed to a heavy racket like the RF). There's a lot of spin on tap with this racket, combined with the high launch angle, it can create a very heavy ball.
My string setup is currently: Prince Diablo Pro 16L @ 48 lbs.
Very stiff setup and very unforgiving, which is forcing me to focus a lot on my footwork and how I load my shots in my legs and hips. I'm looking into another string setup, but I mistakingly bought a reel of the Diablo Pro without demoing it, so I'm going to have to work with it for now.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Can I be an alumni member? Grew up learning to play tennis with the Max200G in the Eighties after fooling around with my dad’s wooden racquet for a couple of years.
Hm. I've thought about adding lead tape to the hoop but so far I've just accepted the trade offs that come with a lighter swingweight.
Two of my current setups, but still making adjustments:
Isospeed Cream 16L mains, Prince Lightning Pro 16 crosses at 55 lbs
Tier One Ghost Wire 16 mains, Prince Lightning Pro 16 at 50 lbs
(Side note: I like Prince Lightning Pro as a cross string for poly. It stays slippery longer than any other synthetic gut I've tried, it's very soft, and fairly cheap. I'd recommend trying it as a cross with your Diablo Pro mains to see if that's an improvement.)
I keep one strung with synthetic gut at 55 lbs for casual use but I tend to hit balls long with it when things get serious.
I also literally just strung this for grins and giggles, but no idea how it'll play:
Songs For A Dead Pilot
Semi-Pro
My new Dunlop –– bought for 15€ (like new).
Notorious_Junkballer
Hall of Fame
ariwibowo
Rookie
Sign me here. Recently switched to CX 200 Tour 18x20 and 16x19, also got myself an old stock Hotmelt 200G. Been using Pro Staff 97 v10 since 2017 but recent wrist soreness was looking for softer frame. I like the feel of Dunlop frames though not as powerful as PS97.
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Been with Dunlop for 20 years. I've played with HM300G, HM200G XL, M-Fil 2 Hundred, Aerogel 200, Aerogel 500, Aerogel 4D 100 (best control racquet ever used), Aerogel 4D 200, Biomimetic 200 Lite (not light at all, 11.5 oz.), Biomimetic Max 200G, Biomimetic McEnroe Maxply, Biofibre 2.0, iDapt 100S (14/16 pattern), Precision 98 Tour, Srixon Revo CV 3.0F Tour, Srixon Revo CX 2.0, Srixon Revo CV 3.0F, SX 600, FX 500
Notorious_Junkballer
Hall of Fame
After a prolonged odyssey with Wilson, Head, Tecnifibre and Yonex I just restrung my CX200 Tour 16x19 with Dunlop Explosive Speed in the mains and YPTP in the crosses and added even more lead to 10&2 and man I'm sold. I've never enjoyed playing this much. The new Explosive Speed gives the setup just enough extra pop. Never before have I've been able to serve as heavy with this kind of control racquet. I just love the confidence and feel a great tool gives you.
mtommer
Hall of Fame
Well, I finally settled on a spec for the CX. I was able to get the racquet to match the feeling overall that I had from my other frames. There are subtle differences in the shots coming off of the racquet but it is hard to quantify. Sometimes it feels like the shots may be faster but not as heavy....it may just be a slightly higher launch angle on off center hits. Regardless though, it plays similarly enough that I can switch between frames with maybe a five min adjustment period (old frames are heavier than my CX).
Songs For A Dead Pilot
Semi-Pro
The truth is that you can buy Dunlop rackets almost for nothing nowadays.
Biomimetic, Biofibre and Biofibre Classic lines have such beautiful paintjobs. F100, M200, F300 Tour look amazing.
My favorite 200 is Aerogel 200, than Bio 200 and M200 Classic which reminds me H22 – flexible frames, but with a really stiff hoop. But I do like also CX200 Tour.
PT924 has on the other hand the same feel as H19.
Biomimetic, Biofibre and Biofibre Classic lines have such beautiful paintjobs. F100, M200, F300 Tour look amazing.
My favorite 200 is Aerogel 200, than Bio 200 and M200 Classic which reminds me H22 – flexible frames, but with a really stiff hoop. But I do like also CX200 Tour.
PT924 has on the other hand the same feel as H19.
michael valek
Hall of Fame
I guess nothing available today plays like a max200g but is lighter? I started using mine again to get rid of tennis elbow (which they did) but at the expense of destroying my shoulder (50 year old shoulders aren’t like 20 year old shoulders.)
Songs For A Dead Pilot
Semi-Pro
I really recommend you Q Tour line from ProKennex for tennis elbow or shoulder problems. Other than I think NT Tour 97 is lighter and easier to use, still flexbile. CX200 Tour has also great touch and feel.
I am in love with Head TGT293.2, but then you would need to look for them somewhere else.
Did you try searching for Biomimetic 300 Tour? It's the same.
RoarTT
Semi-Pro
It’s the same mold and drill pattern, but different layup, as i understand. The 4D is closer to the Wilson Ultra Tour/Pro in feel and the Bio300T closer to PT57A
Edit: same grommets of course. My bad
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ariwibowo
Rookie
It’s the same mold and drill pattern, but different layup, as i understand. The 4D is closer to the Wilson Ultra Tour/Pro in feel and the Bio300T closer to PT57A
Edit: same grommets of course. My bad
Ordered Bio300T from a website in UK but turns out they couldn't find it also so they put Bio300T into the do-not-order list.
Now that you mentioned 4D is closer to Ultra Tour, I dont have to look for it
anyone seen the limited edition CX rackets
Im currently using CX 200 tour 18x20, without leather grip, just 2 overgrips.
Anyone know other thin beam, low flex, small-ish headsize, 18x20, very headlight, sub 320 swing weight rackets in the market? Some rackets close enough (vcp 97, phantom 97p, blade, tf40 315) but Im worried about the swing weight. At least with my current racket I can remove the leather grip to get managable swing weight (to my surprise it is still headlight)
Also hows does cx 200 vs cx 200 tour 16x19 compare? Eyeing both of them just in case I need a backup.
Im currently using CX 200 tour 18x20, without leather grip, just 2 overgrips.
Anyone know other thin beam, low flex, small-ish headsize, 18x20, very headlight, sub 320 swing weight rackets in the market? Some rackets close enough (vcp 97, phantom 97p, blade, tf40 315) but Im worried about the swing weight. At least with my current racket I can remove the leather grip to get managable swing weight (to my surprise it is still headlight)
Also hows does cx 200 vs cx 200 tour 16x19 compare? Eyeing both of them just in case I need a backup.
mtommer
Hall of Fame
Ummm....why not another CX 200 Tour as the backup?anyone seen the limited edition CX rackets
Im currently using CX 200 tour 18x20, without leather grip, just 2 overgrips.
Anyone know other thin beam, low flex, small-ish headsize, 18x20, very headlight, sub 320 swing weight rackets in the market? Some rackets close enough (vcp 97, phantom 97p, blade, tf40 315) but Im worried about the swing weight. At least with my current racket I can remove the leather grip to get managable swing weight (to my surprise it is still headlight)
Also hows does cx 200 vs cx 200 tour 16x19 compare? Eyeing both of them just in case I need a backup.
the rackets mentioned above are cheaper with the dealer I know. and the cx 200 is the limited edition one
Dansan
Semi-Pro
After all the experimentation over years, Aerogel 4D 300 is my main stick with leather grip, OG, dampener, a tiny tiny amount of lead . Have not waivered on this one. Thankfully I have 2 matched so it should keep me going a while longer, not sure what I'll do when they wear out, but chances are I'll look for a similar dunlop alternative
mtommer
Hall of Fame
I get that. I only switched to the CX 200 Tour because I was able to get a bunch of them on clearance.
Any tips on how to prolong the racket usage? Stock up on grommets?
TennisHound
Legend
According to a rep, Dunlop will come out with an updated FX500 later this year.
Im hoping they don’t ruin this one like they did with the SX and widen the string pattern. If anything they need to widen the crosses slightly and tighten up the mains. They frame is powerful enough to handle a PD or Speed MP type stringbed.
Im hoping they don’t ruin this one like they did with the SX and widen the string pattern. If anything they need to widen the crosses slightly and tighten up the mains. They frame is powerful enough to handle a PD or Speed MP type stringbed.
Chris Wilson
Rookie
I started using the CX400 Tour about 4 or 5 months ago, and what a gem it is. I added a leather grip and a bit of weight at 3 and 9, and it's great. I had been looking for ages to move on from my old Blade 98, detoured through some Yonex and Head options, but then found the Dunlop. Great racquet, and highly underrated.
Notorious_Junkballer
Hall of Fame
They should lower the RA a bit.
Notorious_Junkballer
Hall of Fame
I've been pondering on trying the 400 Tour a while now. How's it compared to the other rackets you mentioned and how's the flex?
TennisHound
Legend
Maybe. The stiffness helps when adding weight imo.