Durability is a part of this game.

1477aces

Hall of Fame
Why don't nadal fans get it? How healthy you are is a part of how good you are, see sports like football, baseball, or basketball where players who can't stay healthy aren't valued as much. It's the same for tennis, saying healthy (unless its a non-sports injury not of the player's fault like Seles stabbing) is an integral part of this. It's a major blight on nadal's career.
 

Incognito

Legend
9 consecutive years of winning at least a major is a record if I'm not mistaken. Could become 10 next year. Not bad for a player notorious for injuries..
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
What injury ? Nadal still winning slams, going strong and arguably better than he was ever before, almost a decade after he started winning slams. Show me another similar instance of durability. Not denying that he didn't have injuries, but not more than any other average tennis pro.
 
he has been injured off and on ever since he was 17.

had it not been for the injuries, he would be sitting on 17+ slams today.

and roger on 12-13.


still nadal is holding his own. the best is yet to come. stay tuned.
 

1477aces

Hall of Fame
What injury ? Nadal still winning slams, going strong and arguably better than he was ever before, almost a decade after he started winning slams. Show me another similar instance of durability. Not denying that he didn't have injuries, but not more than any other average tennis pro.
nadal fans whine about how he'd have a lot more slams without injuries and is thus better than federer. I agree he'd have won more, but he wasn't healhty. His fault.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
he has been injured off and on ever since he was 17.

had it not been for the injuries, he would be sitting on 17+ slams today.

and roger on 12-13.


still nadal is holding his own. the best is yet to come. stay tuned.
So sad that the injury made a sudden appearance in the first week of Wimby for the last two years, or else Nadal would be sitting at 15 slams now. Just imagine !

He was almost on the verge of another terrible injury a couple of times during RG this year. If Brands had managed to hold his nerve and pull a Rosol in the first round or if Nole had not lost it after his net touch in RG semi, the knee injury was guaranteed to make a comeback and ruin the rest of Nadal's year. We are lucky that no such thing happened and his health improved by leaps and bounds after that.
Vamos.
 
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sbengte

G.O.A.T.
nadal fans whine about how he'd have a lot more slams without injuries and is thus better than federer. I agree he'd have won more, but he wasn't healhty. His fault.
Is that a special rule that applies to Nadal alone :confused:
Federer without his back problems and mono would be at 20+ slams, Murray without his back problems would have been at 3-4 slams, Djoko without his asthma and allergies would be at 10 slams, Delpo without his career destroying wrist injury would be at 3-4 slams etc
 

cork_screw

Hall of Fame
Why don't nadal fans get it? How healthy you are is a part of how good you are, see sports like football, baseball, or basketball where players who can't stay healthy aren't valued as much. It's the same for tennis, saying healthy (unless its a non-sports injury not of the player's fault like Seles stabbing) is an integral part of this. It's a major blight on nadal's career.
No it's not. Sometimes it has to do with genetics, some people are just healthier than others and less injure prone. And others just have bad breaks where a freak injury does occur. You can't blame Adrian Peterson for getting a torn ACL. And what do you think Agassi could have done with his back? What do you think Nadal could have done with his knees? This has nothing to do with a player or his/her ability or even affect their sports caliber.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Why don't nadal fans get it? How healthy you are is a part of how good you are, see sports like football, baseball, or basketball where players who can't stay healthy aren't valued as much. It's the same for tennis, saying healthy (unless its a non-sports injury not of the player's fault like Seles stabbing) is an integral part of this. It's a major blight on nadal's career.
Nadal's fans got all uptight about the tennis stat which I had a list of players with most consecutive played at the slam. Just to get them off my back, I had to remove that stat and at the same time had to add(Nadal fans demanded) the stat that has a list for most Master Series wins.
 
Nadal's fans got all uptight about the tennis stat which I had a list of players with most consecutive played at the slam. Just to get them off my back, I had to remove that stat and at the same time had to add(Nadal fans demanded) the stat that has a list for most Master Series wins.
Yeah Fed seems to be in good company on that list hahaha
 

adil1972

Hall of Fame
20 years down the road, nobody will remember H2H and other records, except the number of grand slam,

i bet here nodoby knows borg-mc enore, sampras agassi, becker edberg, lendl wilander H2H
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
Rafa has been relatively durable considering the congenital foot condition and subsequent injury plagued career. Rafa has done the impossible and simultaneously become the best ever while being the most injured ever.
 

wy2sl0

Hall of Fame
Is that a special rule that applies to Nadal alone :confused:
Federer without his back problems and mono would be at 20+ slams, Murray without his back problems would have been at 3-4 slams, Djoko without his asthma and allergies would be at 10 slams, Delpo without his career destroying wrist injury would be at 3-4 slams etc
lol x 1,000,000

Don't bother. The most uneducated people here are some Nadal fans. They will fight tooth and nail to regress.
 
You should let Federer know about this.

Why don't nadal fans get it? How healthy you are is a part of how good you are, see sports like football, baseball, or basketball where players who can't stay healthy aren't valued as much. It's the same for tennis, saying healthy (unless its a non-sports injury not of the player's fault like Seles stabbing) is an integral part of this. It's a major blight on nadal's career.
 

BrooklynNY

Hall of Fame
20 years down the road, nobody will remember H2H and other records, except the number of grand slam,

i bet here nodoby knows borg-mc enore, sampras agassi, becker edberg, lendl wilander H2H
You're on a niche internet forum for tennis, meaning everyone here is an above average tennis fan - or an obsessed Federer fan?

Do you really think that people don't know this type of trivia?
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
Why don't nadal fans get it? How healthy you are is a part of how good you are, see sports like football, baseball, or basketball where players who can't stay healthy aren't valued as much. It's the same for tennis, saying healthy (unless its a non-sports injury not of the player's fault like Seles stabbing) is an integral part of this. It's a major blight on nadal's career.
Getting your @ss kicked for a decade by the player you are being compared to is obviously more of a blight.

Besides, Nadal won his 13th slam at the same age as Fed, in fewer opportunities(in his 36th slam vs. Fed in his 38th), and has more Masters, period. So, what the hell are you talking about?
 
20 years down the road, nobody will remember H2H and other records, except the number of grand slam,

i bet here nodoby knows borg-mc enore, sampras agassi, becker edberg, lendl wilander H2H
Sampras 20-14 Agassi (0-2 Australian Open, 0-1 Roland Garros, 2-0 Wimbledon, 4-0 US Open and 12-3 in sets)

Becker 25-10 Edberg (but 1-3 in Slams and 0-1 in WTF Finals)

Edberg 14-13 Lendl (and 5-4 in Slams)

Lendl v Becker is 1-5 in Slams but either equal overall or Lendl one ahead, perhaps. (Never liked those two as much as Edberg).
 
Here's an interesting head-to-head oddity:

Graf v Navratilova at Wimbledon is 2-1.

Graf v Navratilova at the US Open is 1-4.

On the other hand, if we look at titles:

Graf v Navratilova at Wimbledon is 7-9.

Graf v Navratilova at the US Open is 5-4.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Why don't nadal fans get it? How healthy you are is a part of how good you are, see sports like football, baseball, or basketball where players who can't stay healthy aren't valued as much. It's the same for tennis, saying healthy (unless its a non-sports injury not of the player's fault like Seles stabbing) is an integral part of this. It's a major blight on nadal's career.
What on earth are you talking about?? Nadal is pulverizing durability records with his 9 consecutive years of winning slams/masters and counting.
 

illusions30

Banned
Here's an interesting head-to-head oddity:

Graf v Navratilova at Wimbledon is 2-1.

Graf v Navratilova at the US Open is 1-4.

On the other hand, if we look at titles:

Graf v Navratilova at Wimbledon is 7-9.

Graf v Navratilova at the US Open is 5-4.
Graf played Navratilova at the U.S Open 3 times during Navratilova's prime and before her own prime (85-87), and 1991 where a 34 year old Martina beat Steffi in a huge upset was during the worst year Steffi had in the entire 86-96 period, a year she lost to Sanchez 6-2, 6-0 in a slam semi, lost to Jana Novotna on a super slow hard court and in 2 major events, etc..

By contrast Graf beat Navratilova at Wimbledon 88 during Martina's 2nd worst (after only 1980) year of tennis in the whole 78-90 period. A very similar awful year for Martina as 91 was for Graf. Martina was in much better form in 1989 than 88, but by now was probably a bit past her prime. Granted Graf was in great form in both those matches and probably would have won both regardless, but that is aside the overall picture.

So when one examines it more closely it isnt nearly as surprising. If you put 78-87 (or 81-90, whichever you feel is a better representation of a 10 year closest to prime version) Martina vs 87-96 Graf year by year, Graf would probably win about 7 out of 10 between them at the U.S open but only about 5 out of 10 between them at Wimbledon, so where one did better vs the other would be more in line with their titles.
 
he has been injured off and on ever since he was 17.

had it not been for the injuries, he would be sitting on 17+ slams today.

and roger on 12-13.


still nadal is holding his own. the best is yet to come. stay tuned.
7 months break that he took for healing his ego that destroyed against rosol not healing his knees .
So another rosolisation at Wimbledon may end his life
So forget about 18.
 

vernonbc

Legend
nadal fans whine about how he'd have a lot more slams without injuries and is thus better than federer. I agree he'd have won more, but he wasn't healhty. His fault.
Why do Fed fans whine constantly about Rafa's knees? I'll guarantee you that if you added up the posts from them about his knee problems they'd far far far outnumber the number of posts from Nadal fans about his knees.
 
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