Dynamic DQ and strikes

[sc123]

I self-rated as 3.5 last year in my first year of league play and got a dynamic promotion to 4.0. Because USTA did not release computer ratings last year, I am still considered self-rated this year. Based on recent play I think there's a decent chance I could get DQ'd up to 4.5 this year. A couple questions:

1. Do flex singles matches count as "strikes" for the purpose of dynamic DQ?

2. When I was moved to 4.0, the USTA sent me a list of the matches which counted as strikes. One of the matches took place in fall 2020, and the dynamic rating for that match was possibly in 4.5 territory (I can't find the exact number, but it was 4.35+). Will this count as a strike for the purpose of a dynamic promotion to 4.5 this year? The USTA website says "A Dynamic disqualification is defined as a self-rated player that has generated three dynamic ratings in a single calendar year, based on USTA League Adult Division play..." so I'm guessing the answer is yes even though the match took place in 2020.

 

[Creighton]

Which section are you in? When my friend got DQd the letter didn't tell him which matches counted as strikes.

 

[ChaelAZ]

I do not believe Flex counts anywhere for NTRP since it is, or was not based on current USTA membership or rating. IN AZ matches don't count.

If you won a 4.35 rated match handily enough to trigger a strike, gotta wonder how you got convinced to rate 3.5 in the first place. Seems you should have realized straight away you misplaced yourself and corrected.

 

[OnTheLine]

The USTA rating year is usually through roughly the end of October. It coincides with the last non-mixed Nationals.
Granted, no Nationals held last year so I do not know if they used a similar cut off or if they chose to use no cut off at all.

If they didn't use a cut off then that match would likely count as a potential strike for 2021.

I also do not believe that flex league matches count for NTRP .... but wouldn't be willing to state that with any authority.

 

[sc123]

I do not believe Flex counts anywhere for NTRP since it is, or was not based on current USTA membership or rating. IN AZ matches don't count.

If you won a 4.35 rated match handily enough to trigger a strike, gotta wonder how you got convinced to rate 3.5 in the first place. Seems you should have realized straight away you misplaced yourself and corrected.

OK, thank you AZ for the info.

I was new to league play entirely and we had recently moved to a from a large city to a smaller area, so I had very little frame of reference at the time for my self rate, especially for a smaller area. I answered the questions honestly and that’s where I was rated. In hindsight 3.5 was of course too low, and the dynamic DQ to 4.0 happened quickly. We actually lost the match where I received the 4.35 rating, but apparently my partner was a low 3.5 and our opponents were high 4.0s (again, having just moved to a new area, these were things I didn’t know at the time).

 

[leech]

I self-rated as 3.5 last year in my first year of league play and got a dynamic promotion to 4.0. Because USTA did not release computer ratings last year, I am still considered self-rated this year. Based on recent play I think there's a decent chance I could get DQ'd up to 4.5 this year. A couple questions:

1. Do flex singles matches count as "strikes" for the purpose of dynamic DQ?

2. When I was moved to 4.0, the USTA sent me a list of the matches which counted as strikes. One of the matches took place in fall 2020, and the dynamic rating for that match was possibly in 4.5 territory (I can't find the exact number, but it was 4.35+). Will this count as a strike for the purpose of a dynamic promotion to 4.5 this year? The USTA website says "A Dynamic disqualification is defined as a self-rated player that has generated three dynamic ratings in a single calendar year, based on USTA League Adult Division play..." so I'm guessing the answer is yes even though the match took place in 2020.

I believe you are a "4.0D" now, still subject to dynamic disqualification (so no practical difference from 4.0S).

In the Section where I play, flex league match results do not contribute to dynamic DQ calculations.

"In a single calendar year" means 2020 and 2021 are different periods, no?

 

[sc123]

Thanks leech. I read "calendar year" to be contrasted with "League Year." If the USTA used "League Year" in this context, my 2020 results from league play would clearly not apply in 2021. But if I get 3 strikes occurring between 9/1/2020 and 8/31/2021, it seems like you could argue those strikes occurred within a single calendar year. But I see your interpretation too, it's feels a little unclear.

 

[Creighton]

Thanks leech. I read "calendar year" to be contrasted with "League Year." If the USTA used "League Year" in this context, my 2020 results from league play would clearly not apply in 2021. But if I get 3 strikes occurring between 9/1/2020 and 8/31/2021, it seems like you could argue those strikes occurred within a single calendar year. But I see your interpretation too, it's feels a little unclear.

That is probably just outdated language on the website. This is a one off year where they didn't produce ratings so the rules are probably different than a normal year.

 

[schmke]

No, just advancing league matches counts for strikes.

Due to not publishing year-end ratings for 2020, the "rating year" is Nov'19 thru Oct'21 period and strikes could be generated at any point between those dates. I believe an earlier strike against your 3.5S that was above the 4.0 strike threshold would count for a strike against your 4.0D, but who knows with the USTA.

 

[schmke]

Which section are you in? When my friend got DQd the letter didn't tell him which matches counted as strikes.

Some sections include details on which matches were strikes, others don't.

 

[schmke]

Thanks leech. I read "calendar year" to be contrasted with "League Year." If the USTA used "League Year" in this context, my 2020 results from league play would clearly not apply in 2021. But if I get 3 strikes occurring between 9/1/2020 and 8/31/2021, it seems like you could argue those strikes occurred within a single calendar year. But I see your interpretation too, it's feels a little unclear.

The regulations assume the USTA would never be silly enough to not publish year-end ratings, and thus calendar year makes sense. But ...

I've been told 2020/2021 will be treated like one "year".

 

[J_R_B]

OK, thank you AZ for the info.

I was new to league play entirely and we had recently moved to a from a large city to a smaller area, so I had very little frame of reference at the time for my self rate, especially for a smaller area. I answered the questions honestly and that’s where I was rated. In hindsight 3.5 was of course too low, and the dynamic DQ to 4.0 happened quickly. We actually lost the match where I received the 4.35 rating, but apparently my partner was a low 3.5 and our opponents were high 4.0s (again, having just moved to a new area, these were things I didn’t know at the time).

To answer your question, yes, 4.35 is high enough to be a strike against 4.0. That's nearly a 5.0 match rating (which starts at 4.50). Sounds like your captain doesn't know what he's doing. Playing an S-rate in danger of DQ with a very low rated partner against high rated opponents is basically asking for strikes.

 

[ChaelAZ]

I've been told 2020/2021 will be treated like one "year".

So cummulative of both seasons treated as one year, correct? Seem that would be easiest as far as the system is concerned. Just bring all the data in from both years as a single year and let the computer sort things out. Though, I would also figure there would have to be some other data magic that wouldn't start throwing DQ errrors or other threshold msichief since there will be so much more information to process along the time line. Maybe how they sequence the matches from two years into one year will be the key.

 

[schmke]

So cummulative of both seasons treated as one year, correct? Seem that would be easiest as far as the system is concerned. Just bring all the data in from both years as a single year and let the computer sort things out. Though, I would also figure there would have to be some other data magic that wouldn't start throwing DQ errrors or other threshold msichief since there will be so much more information to process along the time line. Maybe how they sequence the matches from two years into one year will be the key.

Yes, just one long "year" that lasts around 730 days.

 

[J_R_B]

So cummulative of both seasons treated as one year, correct? Seem that would be easiest as far as the system is concerned. Just bring all the data in from both years as a single year and let the computer sort things out. Though, I would also figure there would have to be some other data magic that wouldn't start throwing DQ errrors or other threshold msichief since there will be so much more information to process along the time line. Maybe how they sequence the matches from two years into one year will be the key.

I think they will probably increase the strike threshold to allow for 2 years of natural improvement, especially at the lower levels. It would be best to vary it by calendar year (i.e. normal threshold for 2020 and increased for 2021), but given the USTA IT record, that's probably too big an ask.