EARTH SHATTERING NEWS - Nadal will play Wimbledon

Backspin1183

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I really can't see Kyrgios keep up with an in form Djokovic. If he plays well enough, maybe he can get to a TB in one of the sets but that's about it.

Anyway, if draws are really rigged like a lot of fans like to believe, they should put him on Djokovic's side of the draw, it'd be more interesting than another match against Nadal.

You're underestimating Kyrgios. He'd be pumped up to play Djokovic on Centre court. On grass, Novak will find it even more difficult to return his serves.
 

Russeljones

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Adv. Edberg

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I give Nick 5% chance. Remember they played at Wimbledon and AO a couple years ago and Rafa won both matches by identical score 63 36 76 76. Nadal is on a calendar slam mission and is not losing to Nick.

The W match could've gone either way. Kyrgios can beat anybody on tour without trying. Especially on grass, as he has proved again and again.
 
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You're underestimating Kyrgios. He'd be pumped up to play Djokovic on Centre court. On grass, Novak will find it even more difficult to return his serves.

He would have been more pumped up back when he hated him and obsessed over him, less so now that he warmed up to him. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Djokovic has been dying to make their two previous matches irrelevant, especially because Kyrgios bragged about it and cited this as a reason he can't be the GOAT.
 
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The W match could've gone either way. Kyrgios can beat anybody on tour without trying. Especially on grass, as he has proved again and again.

You can't say a match could have gone either way when it doesn't go to 5 sets lol. This myth about Kyrgios beating the best players "without trying" is hilarious.
 

Mike Sams

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I really can't see Kyrgios keep up with an in form Djokovic. If he plays well enough, maybe he can get to a TB in one of the sets but that's about it.

Anyway, if draws are really rigged like a lot of fans like to believe, they should put him on Djokovic's side of the draw, it'd be more interesting than another match against Nadal.
Kyrgios has a good serve. Especially for grass. There probably won't be many long rallies. Especially if the grass is playing fast.
Djokovic would have to work for the win. Kyrgios would bring his best game against him.
He beat Nadal at Wimbledon 2014. And even in losing their 2019 match, Nadal still had to work hard for it.
 

Mike Sams

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He would have been more pumped up back when he hated him and obsessed over him, less so now that he warmed up to him. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Djokovic has been dying to make their two previous matches irrelevant, especially because Kyrgios bragged about it and cited this as a reason he can't be the GOAT.
Kyrgios also is the only player on the tour who defended Djokovic. And Djokovic took note of it.
 

Cupcake

Hall of Fame
He would have been more pumped up back when he hated him and obsessed over him, less so now that he warmed up to him. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure Djokovic has been dying to make their two previous matches irrelevant, especially because Kyrgios bragged about it and cited this as a reason he can't be the GOAT.
Kyrgios is an opportunist. He'll hate anyone who will bring him more attention.
 
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Kyrgios also is the only player on the tour who defended Djokovic. And Djokovic took note of it.

Of course, but those two losses are still a fact and Djokovic has a huge competitive spirit. He hates losing and generally raises his level to play like a man on a mission against FedaL I'm pretty sure those 2 losses to Kyrgios stuck with him.

Kyrgios has a good serve. Especially for grass. There probably won't be many long rallies. Especially if the grass is playing fast.
Djokovic would have to work for the win. Kyrgios would bring his best game against him.
He beat Nadal at Wimbledon 2014. And even in losing their 2019 match, Nadal still had to work hard for it.

Kyrgios was also fitter and better back then, both in 2014 and 2019. Now he barely plays at all.
 

Cupcake

Hall of Fame
Of course, but those two losses are still a fact and Djokovic has a huge competitive spirit. He hates losing and generally raises his level to play like a man on a mission against FedaL I'm pretty sure those 2 losses to Kyrgios stuck with him.

I know it's not possible, but I'd love to see Kyrgios and Djokovic play a hard match against each other - and they both lose.
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leodevlin

Professional
With Novak being banned from the US Open, he now has a chance to win a calendar slam or as Rafa puts it: "I really really don't care about the GS race". LOL.
 

fox

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Can we finally get Kyrgios Djokovic in Wimbledon? I ask each year and nobody listens. That would be a blockbuster.
 
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intrepidish

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Taking drugs that make your foot go to sleep to compete in slams when you are already ahead is not an obsession?


Hate to break it to you but people in tennis and indeed in a wide variety of sports take painkillers regularly.

And if it's the fact that the painkillers were administered by injection, you can always check out Graf and Sampras who couldn't walk and got injections and won Wimbledon decades ago.
 

leodevlin

Professional
Hate to break it to you but people in tennis and indeed in a wide variety of sports take painkillers regularly.

And if it's the fact that the painkillers were administered by injection, you can always check out Graf and Sampras who couldn't walk and got injections and won Wimbledon decades ago.
How old were Graf and Sampras when they took those drugs?
 

leodevlin

Professional
I'm confused. Only players that admit publicly to be chasing records can go to the doctor?
Nothing confusing here, its not the fact that he went to the doctor, its the fact that he is 36, has achieved more than anyone else already, has admitted that he can't continue putting his foot to sleep and is still trying to win more slams.

If that is not obsession, I don't know what is.

BTW, I like Rafa a lot and don't view this as an issue, I am only trying to highlight that he is indeed set to win this race .
 

ADuck

Legend
Nothing confusing here, its not the fact that he went to the doctor, its the fact that he is 36, has achieved more than anyone else already, has admitted that he can't continue putting his foot to sleep and is still trying to win more slams.

If that is not obsession, I don't know what is.

BTW, I like Rafa a lot and don't view this as an issue, I am only trying to highlight that he is indeed set to win this race .
Seems he has an obsession with playing tennis and competing for titles at the highest level. Do you not consider it a possibility that a person who dedicated his life to tennis, god forbid, may enjoy it on some level?
 
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All the pressure is on Djokovic. He is now two behind in the slam race, he needs three slams to take the lead. WB is the only slam available to him until next RG as it stands at the moment. His ranking is about to fall considerably affecting his future draws as well. The clock is ticking.
Many of his fans on here took no account of the mental impact the events of 2022 would have on his game, until he lost the RG match against Rafa.
Are they going to make the same mistake again at Wimbledon?

It’s your interpretation that the events of 2022 impacted his game. Made the SF at Madrid, won Rome and bageled the finalist, won every match before the QF at RG without dropping a set and you’re telling me past events affected his game all of a sudden in the QF because he lost to Nadal in 4 ? Nah. He was tight in the first set because he was playing Nadal in a BO5 on clay, not because of what happened earlier in the year. But the main reason he lost is because clay is physically the most demanding surface and he had to face the greatest player ever on this surface while lacking match play. Not a great combo.
 

leodevlin

Professional
Seems he has an obsession with playing tennis and competing for titles at the highest level. Do you not consider it a possibility that a person who dedicated his life to tennis, god forbid, may enjoy it on some level?
Yes I do, and I don't think obsession is a bad thing btw, the feeling of winning is addictive.
 

leodevlin

Professional
Right, so what then is dishonest about him saying that the slam record is not what primarily drives him to continue playing tennis, but his enjoyment for the sport?
Because at this point of his career it is winning slams that give him the joy, especially so because there is a chance to be goat.

BTW, I don't think that he is a dishonest person, I just think that this is a way for him to reduce pressure on himself and also not to appear cocky.
 
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ADuck

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Because at this point of his career it is winning slams that give him the joy, especially so because there is a chance to be goat.

BTW, I don't think that he is a dishonest person, I just think that this is a way for him to reduce pressure on himself and also not to appear cocky.
It's obvious he likes winning slams above all else, but that doesn't necessarily mean say if it was impossible for him to get the slam record, that he would have stopped playing by now. He could be satisfied having the chance to win more slams regardless of there being a record on the line or not. By the way, I think Federer will come back and disprove this notion that either of them are playing just for the slam record.
 

octobrina10

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Because at this point of his career it is winning slams that give him the joy, especially so because there is a chance to be goat.

BTW, I don't think that he is a dishonest person, I just think that this is a way for him to reduce pressure on himself and also not to appear cocky.
Rafa has explained a zillion times what motivates him (from 0:44):

 

Rattie

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It’s your interpretation that the events of 2022 impacted his game. Made the SF at Madrid, won Rome and bageled the finalist, won every match before the QF at RG without dropping a set and you’re telling me past events affected his game all of a sudden in the QF because he lost to Nadal in 4 ? Nah. He was tight in the first set because he was playing Nadal in a BO5 on clay, not because of what happened earlier in the year. But the main reason he lost is because clay is physically the most demanding surface and he had to face the greatest player ever on this surface while lacking match play. Not a great combo.
You misunderstand me. It’s not my interpretation, Djokovic himself talked of the emotional toll that events had had on him. My point was that fans here had not considered it until his loss at RG. Not that I considered it then. You think it isn’t an added pressure now? Given the issues I raised in my post you replied to? What I’m saying is the confidence in his performance at Wimbledon may be over estimated for the reasons I have stated. I saw enough comment on here going Into RG that he was absolutely going to walk it. (See threads like ‘The King of Clay’ is back.)
I disagree that he was lacking in match play come the RG QF. He had had plenty of match play and had just won Rome and not dropped a set as you say.
That’s my take, feel free to disagree. I do agree that he is more favoured at Wimbledon than Nadal for good reason, what I am saying is there is rather a lot of taking for granted in here.
 

DMTNA

Rookie
Nothing confusing here, its not the fact that he went to the doctor, its the fact that he is 36, has achieved more than anyone else already, has admitted that he can't continue putting his foot to sleep and is still trying to win more slams.

If that is not obsession, I don't know what is.

BTW, I like Rafa a lot and don't view this as an issue, I am only trying to highlight that he is indeed set to win this race .
Oh please, at least try to be a proper Nolefam. :sick:
 

Rattie

Legend
Nothing confusing here, its not the fact that he went to the doctor, its the fact that he is 36, has achieved more than anyone else already, has admitted that he can't continue putting his foot to sleep and is still trying to win more slams.

If that is not obsession, I don't know what is.

BTW, I like Rafa a lot and don't view this as an issue, I am only trying to highlight that he is indeed set to win this race .
That seems like obsession to you. I get it. The bottom line is ALL elite athletes fall into the category of “obsession “ if you want to choose that word. The vast majority of the population like us don’t have that drive, that commitment, that ambition. Luckily for us there are elite sports people who do.
Take a look at the life of someone like Mo Farah, who lives his life 24/7 around running. Training, sleeping, eating on a clock all day, every day. Of course it’s obsession. But it Is people like that who give us the amazing achievements that we are in awe of. Don’t knock it.
 
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