Easter Bowl/Winter Nats Futures

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I heard some rumors from what I would consider a reliable source that the USTA plans on canceling the Easter Bowl and Winters in the next 1 to 2 years to focus more on sectional play. Is there any truth to this or has anyone heard some of the same?
 
I haven't heard about it. Frankly I don't really think that the USTA would do that though. Only having two super nationals a year in the summer doesn't really make that much sense to me.
 
I heard some rumors from what I would consider a reliable source that the USTA plans on canceling the Easter Bowl and Winters in the next 1 to 2 years to focus more on sectional play. Is there any truth to this or has anyone heard some of the same?


I didn't think the USTA could mess up juniors any more than it has, but maybe I am wrong?

There was talk a while ago, about getting rid of the Easter Bowl, and make Winter Nats indoor..
but, the paying due members, have no say, no vote and know nothing until the changes are made and permanent
and usually disrupt junior tennis.

If you hear anything, post it here.

Thanks.
 
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Isnt the Easter Bowl an ITF tournament now?? At least the 18s?? Its been going on for 30-40 yrs now, I cant see them canceling it.
 
I looked around for some more info on the internet but couldn't find anything to back up what I heard. I had heard it from a local coach who was livid about the change and talked about it like it was a sure thing already. Apparently the rationale was to encourage more competitive sectional play while making the L1 nationals even stronger. If no one else has heard anything of it maybe I was told wrong, but I find it hard to completely discount what I heard.
 
I wouldn't mind if 'winter nats' gets canned ... the timing is so bad.. players don't get to spend Christmas and New Year with their family...most of the players are from the west coast anyways ,the a lot of elite national players rarely come out to AZ .. and it's still winter.. most of the times we've been there,the weather is bad... frozen playing surfaces,rain,and traveling is not really the best thing to do for most parts of the country(flights getting canceled ect).. maybe if they move it to Florida or better yet ,somewheres indoors...
 
I wouldn't mind if 'winter nats' gets canned ... the timing is so bad.. players don't get to spend Christmas and New Year with their family...most of the players are from the west coast anyways ,the a lot of elite national players rarely come out to AZ .. and it's still winter.. most of the times we've been there,the weather is bad... frozen playing surfaces,rain,and traveling is not really the best thing to do for most parts of the country(flights getting canceled ect).. maybe if they move it to Florida or better yet ,somewheres indoors...

I would, simply because we don't get that much high quality tennis viewing in Phoenix. That being said, the morning matches are often played in the low- to mid-30s.

As for cancelling it altogether, read the first paragraph of Collette Lewis' post here: http://tenniskalamazoo.blogspot.com/2010/09/changes-in-usta-national-tournaments.html
 
I wouldn't mind if 'winter nats' gets canned ... the timing is so bad.. players don't get to spend Christmas and New Year with their family...most of the players are from the west coast anyways ,the a lot of elite national players rarely come out to AZ .. and it's still winter.. most of the times we've been there,the weather is bad... frozen playing surfaces,rain,and traveling is not really the best thing to do for most parts of the country(flights getting canceled ect).. maybe if they move it to Florida or better yet ,somewheres indoors...

December:

Eddie Herr - can't play - miss a week of school.

Prince Cup - can't play - school

OB - only 12's and 14's can play, as you miss a day of school.

( 16's and 18's OB can't play as it is during school).

So, Winter Nationals is great for the kids who go to school and want to play tennis.....

Freezing in the morning, but it warms up in the afternoon.
Plus, it is beautiful in Arizona with the mountains.
 
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At USTA RTC I heard big changes coming in 2014 when the plan to re-do the geographic sections (going to fewer). If so, my assumption would be the tournament structure would change since the USTA will have GIANT regional sections

I'm not sure this is in stone but a proposal.

I just wouldn't be surprised if there are major changes in the next 3-5 years
 
I wouldn't mind if 'winter nats' gets canned ... the timing is so bad.. players don't get to spend Christmas and New Year with their family...most of the players are from the west coast anyways ,the a lot of elite national players rarely come out to AZ .. and it's still winter.. most of the times we've been there,the weather is bad... frozen playing surfaces,rain,and traveling is not really the best thing to do for most parts of the country(flights getting canceled ect).. maybe if they move it to Florida or better yet ,somewheres indoors...

It's a great tournament, one of the biggest attended by college coaches. Lots of East Coast college coaches.

Yea the weather is cold, but the kids don't mind it, plus it gets warm during the day.

We have made it a tennis/vacation, celebrate xmas with family on the 24-25th, leave for Tuscon/Phoenix 25th or 26th, play tournament, them visit one of the many National Parks, or swing by Las Vegas on the way home.
 
I love the venue! No crystal ball here but I think it should move to a different time slot. It's too close to Eddie Herr, Orange Bowl and the holidays.

P.S. No XBOX in my house.
 
At USTA RTC I heard big changes coming in 2014 when the plan to re-do the geographic sections (going to fewer). If so, my assumption would be the tournament structure would change since the USTA will have GIANT regional sections

I'm not sure this is in stone but a proposal.

I just wouldn't be surprised if there are major changes in the next 3-5 years

This would be a bad move. This would cause players to have to travel further distances. I do not see it happening. In the southern section the level three tournaments in 2012 are being limited to draws of 16 (possibly 2 draws of 16 if 32 kids sign up) and Saturday and Sunday only. This is a move to help kids not miss so much school.
 
This would be a bad move. This would cause players to have to travel further distances. I do not see it happening. In the southern section the level three tournaments in 2012 are being limited to draws of 16 (possibly 2 draws of 16 if 32 kids sign up) and Saturday and Sunday only. This is a move to help kids not miss so much school.

Sorry, not following you.

Are you saying regional national level 3 tournaments?
 
I heard some rumors from what I would consider a reliable source that the USTA plans on canceling the Easter Bowl and Winters in the next 1 to 2 years to focus more on sectional play. Is there any truth to this or has anyone heard some of the same?

Good. Stay home; save your money.
 
If the rumor he/she mentioned is indeed true, then many others will follow suit and listen to your brilliant advice.

Given the fact that I've been around the EB for the better part of the last 15 years, I can tell you that all but a handful of kids have no business showing up. They should conserve thei families already meager resources and save the stress for later (U18s).
 
Good. Stay home; save your money.

DONNYMAC10S,

I really want to hear what you are trying to say.

I can tell you know a lot about tennis.

But, your message, while obviously sarcastic, doesn't have any meaning beyond the words.

Can you please explain further.

Thanks.
 
DONNYMAC10S,

I really want to hear what you are trying to say.

I can tell you know a lot about tennis.

But, your message, while obviously sarcastic, doesn't have any meaning beyond the words.

Can you please explain further.

Thanks.

I think that my comment above covers part of it. Most people should just stay home as opposed to spending so much time and energy chasing these meaningless bowls..most are doing it with national ranking points in mind. Some think that by playing against the few top players that the level will rub off on them like dog pooh on the soles of one's shoes. So I say: stay closer to home; hone your strokes; develop a complete game; test it at the local level; refine and recalibrate. Stop stressing the rankings. Enjoy the development processs. If you're aiming for college, your U18 ranking is the only thing that matters.
 
Given the fact that I've been around the EB for the better part of the last 15 years, I can tell you that all but a handful of kids have no business showing up. They should conserve thei families already meager resources and save the stress for later (U18s).

That's why I love the smaller draws for EB like national tournaments. You have to EARN your way in. Let's cut to the chase and play some tennis.
 
I think that my comment above covers part of it. Most people should just stay home as opposed to spending so much time and energy chasing these meaningless bowls..most are doing it with national ranking points in mind. Some think that by playing against the few top players that the level will rub off on them like dog pooh on the soles of one's shoes. So I say: stay closer to home; hone your strokes; develop a complete game; test it at the local level; refine and recalibrate. Stop stressing the rankings. Enjoy the development processs. If you're aiming for college, your U18 ranking is the only thing that matters.

Agreed - good post. Living in a region with a lot of tennis kids made it easy to make that decision.
 
Agreed - good post. Living in a region with a lot of tennis kids made it easy to make that decision.

There are good players everywhere. There's really no reason for U12s to travel more than 100 miles for a tournament. Good U14s/U16s can practice against adults or work on their game. The only things that win rat races are rats. Enjoy the sport; learn the game "soup to nuts"; become a student of the game; and get 1% better every day.
 
I think that my comment above covers part of it. Most people should just stay home as opposed to spending so much time and energy chasing these meaningless bowls..most are doing it with national ranking points in mind. Some think that by playing against the few top players that the level will rub off on them like dog pooh on the soles of one's shoes. So I say: stay closer to home; hone your strokes; develop a complete game; test it at the local level; refine and recalibrate. Stop stressing the rankings. Enjoy the development processs. If you're aiming for college, your U18 ranking is the only thing that matters.

I don’t know why kids would bother to play top competition in 14s, 16s, or even 18s. Really there is only one point they should even worry about winning. All they have to do is when they are 17 years old win the very last point played at boys 18s national championship at Kalamazoo. Easy
 
There are good players everywhere. There's really no reason for U12s to travel more than 100 miles for a tournament. Good U14s/U16s can practice against adults or work on their game. The only things that win rat races are rats. Enjoy the sport; learn the game "soup to nuts"; become a student of the game; and get 1% better every day.

Agreed. As a tennis parent who got suckered into the USTA point chasing game for the past 2 years, I'm ready to just get my son back to the basics. He came to the club with me this AM while I was practicing for my own league and there was a gentleman on the ball machine. He's a men's 4.5 player and he asked my son to hit with him. So easy to find a partner, if you just make yourself available. My son just aged into the 14s last month and didn't make it into Winter Nats, thankfully. He's taking some privates this week, getting in some match play with friends and men at the club. He's 13, and I personally am already burned out as a tennis parent. I have no idea why we get talked into this point chasing game but it drives me crazy that the only way he'll get into a level 3 event is if he has enough national ranking points so then we have to attend all the level 4s and 5s to build up points high enough just to get in. And, the new smaller draw sizes makes it even harder. I'd rather he just fun, learn the game properly and focus on 'how' to play tennis instead of focusing on how to 'beat' the kid that's ranked 10 spots higher than you, does that make sense?
 
…. only way he'll get into a level 3 event is if he has enough national ranking points so then we have to attend all the level 4s and 5s to build up points high enough just to get in. And, the new smaller draw sizes makes it even harder. I'd rather he just fun, learn the game properly and focus on 'how' to play tennis instead of focusing on how to 'beat' the kid that's ranked 10 spots higher than you, does that make sense?

You have pretty much the perfect post. Tennis is a game of levels. The reason you play tournaments is to understand what you have to do to get to the next level. If you want to advance you absolutely have to focus on how to ‘beat’ that kid ranked 10 spots higher than you. Playing against the 4.5 guy hitting against the ball machine tells you nothing. I know because I am that guy and my son has been playing me all this life. It is a totally different experience playing against a junior who can run and hit all day and some guy that can only play 10 shots in a rally.

Obviously your son does not need to play tournaments to have a great experience with tennis. It is a game for life and can be played at a multitude of levels. On the other hand, if he wants to play top competitive junior or college tennis you don’t learn that playing at the club. You learn that playing top competition at national tournaments.

For all those people who don’t understand this please posts some examples of top college or pro players who did not play national tournaments at 16. We have had this conversation many times; so far no one has come up with anyone. Maybe you can be the first.
 
I don’t know why kids would bother to play top competition in 14s, 16s, or even 18s. Really there is only one point they should even worry about winning. All they have to do is when they are 17 years old win the very last point played at boys 18s national championship at Kalamazoo. Easy

Exactly...everything else is so meaningless. The only reason to obsess about national points is, if you're good, so that you have the opportunity to test yourself against all the other top players and see how you're measuring up. Nobody cares about U16, U14s, U12.. a lot of physical, mental and emotional changes take place between the last year of 16s and the first year of 17s. It's the people who have a complete game the right attitude who bubble to the top when it matters most. Unfortunately, everybody thinks that that's how college coaches recruit - even though most would deny it straight up - it's not your ranking, but who you beat and who you lost to. Can you be trusted to get the "W" with the team match tied at 3-3 and your court is at 1 set apiece? If you're top 20 in the US but your record is 174-65, there are at least 65 people in the COUNTRY who can beat you in your own AGE DIVISION alone (and that's only the people you've played).
 
Agreed. As a tennis parent who got suckered into the USTA point chasing game for the past 2 years, I'm ready to just get my son back to the basics. He came to the club with me this AM while I was practicing for my own league and there was a gentleman on the ball machine. He's a men's 4.5 player and he asked my son to hit with him. So easy to find a partner, if you just make yourself available. My son just aged into the 14s last month and didn't make it into Winter Nats, thankfully. He's taking some privates this week, getting in some match play with friends and men at the club. He's 13, and I personally am already burned out as a tennis parent. I have no idea why we get talked into this point chasing game but it drives me crazy that the only way he'll get into a level 3 event is if he has enough national ranking points so then we have to attend all the level 4s and 5s to build up points high enough just to get in. And, the new smaller draw sizes makes it even harder. I'd rather he just fun, learn the game properly and focus on 'how' to play tennis instead of focusing on how to 'beat' the kid that's ranked 10 spots higher than you, does that make sense?

That's a great attitude. Enjoy the ride. It really is such a fun sport and such a blessing for anyone who takes the time to master it. Do it right, and he will have the confidence to take on the world in every endeavor. If he has the passion, then he will be doing the pulling. You just have to be there to provide the support when he asks for it.
 
Some people treat junior competitive tennis as a journey. We do not have lofty goals but we have our kids doing some complicated activity and hopefully they will become successful and feel accomplished. In the process they will have a chance to see different parts of the country and make friends with kids from all over. My daughter is like a member of an exclusive club and has a parallel tennis life filled with tennis friends. I am sure her digital life is much more interesting comparing to other kids in our town. I can honestly say that after 5 days at Supernational I usually feel that I had enough and wish her to lose quickly. But I also believe that she should play most important junior tournaments at least once so that she will forever have memories of Atlanta suburbs, Virginia Beach, Palm Desert, Tucson/Phoenix and San Diego. I wish she would play US Open Jr. but chances are slim. Unfortunately to visit all these nice places you have to join rat race for points. So we consider this rat race as part of the journey.
 
You have pretty much the perfect post. Tennis is a game of levels. The reason you play tournaments is to understand what you have to do to get to the next level. If you want to advance you absolutely have to focus on how to ‘beat’ that kid ranked 10 spots higher than you. Playing against the 4.5 guy hitting against the ball machine tells you nothing. I know because I am that guy and my son has been playing me all this life. It is a totally different experience playing against a junior who can run and hit all day and some guy that can only play 10 shots in a rally.

Obviously your son does not need to play tournaments to have a great experience with tennis. It is a game for life and can be played at a multitude of levels. On the other hand, if he wants to play top competitive junior or college tennis you don’t learn that playing at the club. You learn that playing top competition at national tournaments.

For all those people who don’t understand this please posts some examples of top college or pro players who did not play national tournaments at 16. We have had this conversation many times; so far no one has come up with anyone. Maybe you can be the first.
I didn't say he didn't 'need' to play tournaments, I was just making the point that the USTA point chasing game gets old and wears on both the parents and the kids. And, as for playing the guy at the club, he's way more in shape than my 13 year old and kicks his rear. I'm not talking about a 50 year old guy, this guy is maybe 30-35 years old and is quite an athlete.

Anyway, I also didn't say that we never play tournaments. We have spent the last 3 years playing tournaments, traveling hundreds of miles, and spending thousands of dollars doing so. He played winter nats last year and won a few matches despite starting his tennis late (he started at age 10, most kids he knows started at around 6 or 7 and were playing tournaments by age 8-9). I think I'm just tired of my kid comparing himself to so-and-so and focusing on their sectional ranking instead of just focusing on 'how' to play tennis. He falls into playing games on court, sometimes even pushing just to win a match. And, it's all because of the USTA's ranking system.

I have my son hit with whoever is available to him. He does not discriminate regarding his partners on court and I am just glad that he still enjoys being on court. So many of his peers in tennis have burned out, gotten injured, or have disappeared completely from the game for various reasons. So, if he wants to play the guys at the club, I don't see how that's going to hurt his competitive edge.
 
Some people treat junior competitive tennis as a journey. We do not have lofty goals but we have our kids doing some complicated activity and hopefully they will become successful and feel accomplished. In the process they will have a chance to see different parts of the country and make friends with kids from all over. My daughter is like a member of an exclusive club and has a parallel tennis life filled with tennis friends. I am sure her digital life is much more interesting comparing to other kids in our town. I can honestly say that after 5 days at Supernational I usually feel that I had enough and wish her to lose quickly. But I also believe that she should play most important junior tournaments at least once so that she will forever have memories of Atlanta suburbs, Virginia Beach, Palm Desert, Tucson/Phoenix and San Diego. I wish she would play US Open Jr. but chances are slim. Unfortunately to visit all these nice places you have to join rat race for points. So we consider this rat race as part of the journey.
You sir/ma'am have a good attitude. You have made an informed decision and are taking the process for what it is...a journey and an educational opportunity for your children. You are the 1% (in a good way).
 
I didn't say he didn't 'need' to play tournaments, I was just making the point that the USTA point chasing game gets old and wears on both the parents and the kids. And, as for playing the guy at the club, he's way more in shape than my 13 year old and kicks his rear. I'm not talking about a 50 year old guy, this guy is maybe 30-35 years old and is quite an athlete.

Anyway, I also didn't say that we never play tournaments. We have spent the last 3 years playing tournaments, traveling hundreds of miles, and spending thousands of dollars doing so. He played winter nats last year and won a few matches despite starting his tennis late (he started at age 10, most kids he knows started at around 6 or 7 and were playing tournaments by age 8-9). I think I'm just tired of my kid comparing himself to so-and-so and focusing on their sectional ranking instead of just focusing on 'how' to play tennis. He falls into playing games on court, sometimes even pushing just to win a match. And, it's all because of the USTA's ranking system.

I have my son hit with whoever is available to him. He does not discriminate regarding his partners on court and I am just glad that he still enjoys being on court. So many of his peers in tennis have burned out, gotten injured, or have disappeared completely from the game for various reasons. So, if he wants to play the guys at the club, I don't see how that's going to hurt his competitive edge.

This is great!!!! Save the money and he sounds like he has fabulous hitting partners
who are really nice to hit with him :)

And for the folks who live in California and Florida, I agree, who would leave with all that great competition.
But, the US is not all warm and sunny, some kids live in non tennis areas where you have to travel.
If you can't afford to travel though, you can always play up.
 
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Exactly...everything else is so meaningless. The only reason to obsess about national points is, if you're good, so that you have the opportunity to test yourself against all the other top players and see how you're measuring up. Nobody cares about U16, U14s, U12.. a lot of physical, mental and emotional changes take place between the last year of 16s and the first year of 17s. It's the people who have a complete game the right attitude who bubble to the top when it matters most. Unfortunately, everybody thinks that that's how college coaches recruit - even though most would deny it straight up - it's not your ranking, but who you beat and who you lost to. Can you be trusted to get the "W" with the team match tied at 3-3 and your court is at 1 set apiece? If you're top 20 in the US but your record is 174-65, there are at least 65 people in the COUNTRY who can beat you in your own AGE DIVISION alone (and that's only the people you've played).

I am glad you are posting. It is a lot more meaningful to the tennis audience when you explain your position.
 
I think that my comment above covers part of it. Most people should just stay home as opposed to spending so much time and energy chasing these meaningless bowls..most are doing it with national ranking points in mind. Some think that by playing against the few top players that the level will rub off on them like dog pooh on the soles of one's shoes. So I say: stay closer to home; hone your strokes; develop a complete game; test it at the local level; refine and recalibrate. Stop stressing the rankings. Enjoy the development processs. If you're aiming for college, your U18 ranking is the only thing that matters.

It sounds like your advice would save folks a lot of money :)
 
It sounds like your advice would save folks a lot of money :)

Thank you. Unfortunately, most people who are in the tennis business have an agenda. The USTA is not talking about it because they make their money off tournaments and leagues; tournament organizers have a vested interest in kids showing up so that they can scam the parents off $100 a tournament in exchange for a $2 T-shirt and some plastic trophies; college coaches don't care (all they care about is who's good before they graduate); a lot of coaches talk about how meaningless rankings are but nobody listens so they stay largely quiet. So parents keep throwing money down the drain ($475K to develop a junior) in the hopes of snagging a scholarship worth $80-$200K. They treat the sport as an "investment"...the only investment that's been proven to lose people money time and again.
 
Thank you. Unfortunately, most people who are in the tennis business have an agenda. The USTA is not talking about it because they make their money off tournaments and leagues; tournament organizers have a vested interest in kids showing up so that they can scam the parents off $100 a tournament in exchange for a $2 T-shirt and some plastic trophies; college coaches don't care (all they care about is who's good before they graduate); a lot of coaches talk about how meaningless rankings are but nobody listens so they stay largely quiet. So parents keep throwing money down the drain ($475K to develop a junior) in the hopes of snagging a scholarship worth $80-$200K. They treat the sport as an "investment"...the only investment that's been proven to lose people money time and again.

Then don't play tournaments. It's that simple. We don't care about rankings, t-shirts or trophies either but there are some great friendships and experiences that come via tournaments. I'd rather pay $100 for a tournament than pay a coach $60 or $80 an hour to feed balls for 45 min and watch my kid serve for the last 15 minutes of the lesson. Talk about a scam...don't get me started.
 
Then don't play tournaments. It's that simple. We don't care about rankings, t-shirts or trophies either but there are some great friendships and experiences that come via tournaments. I'd rather pay $100 for a tournament than pay a coach $60 or $80 an hour to feed balls for 45 min and watch my kid serve for the last 15 minutes of the lesson. Talk about a scam...don't get me started.

Exactly right. You are making an educated decision. Imagine that instead of a lesson or pricy tournament experience the player would spend some time playing practice matches against his peers. Maybe play for gatorades or sets of strings.. Oh baby! That would show me kids who really love tennis.
 
A poster said college coaches do not care who is good until age 17 and to ignore the 14s an 16s. But you can not just drop into the 18s and get into the top of the rankings and position for a scholarship. Especially with the new smaller draws. No way a kid can ignore competing in the 14s and 16s and be mentally on the level of the tournament tested better kids. Kids can not be good at 17 without working their way up through the system. Playing for drinks may sound like fun but the kids I know want to play tournaments, just like their friends who play other sports. We would not expect the high school football quarterback to just play his friends for drinks. Many kids would quit tennis is we did not allow them to play tournaments and compete for rankings until age 17. This is not realistic in the real world. Kids like rankings and they like tournaments. Tennis has trouble attracting kids as it is, tell them to ignore rankings until age 17 would kill the sport.
 
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I heard some rumors from what I would consider a reliable source that the USTA plans on canceling the Easter Bowl and Winters in the next 1 to 2 years to focus more on sectional play. Is there any truth to this or has anyone heard some of the same?

I wish they would flip flop the venues for the clay nationals with the Winter nationals. The weather in AZ is too iffy in Dec/Jan.
 
Dadof10s,
Nobody said one shouldn't compete. What I said, and I think that you were referring to me is that one shouldn't obssess or stress over these tournaments (spec E/B). Play the ones you can; don't worry about the ones that burn a hole in your pocket. From 30 years of playing -
Top 10 D-1 and some ATP - I can tell you that the only ones putting an unreasonable emphasis on national rankings are the parents. I believe that the better attitude is "let the Joneses play some snooty event; I'll kick their behinds in the sectionals an regionals". Or we can continue with the same attitude since it's working so well. But, I've never met a parent who didn't think that he knew more than the coach. It's really the only reason I justify charging for lessons.
 
There are good players everywhere. There's really no reason for U12s to travel more than 100 miles for a tournament. Good U14s/U16s can practice against adults or work on their game. The only things that win rat races are rats. Enjoy the sport; learn the game "soup to nuts"; become a student of the game; and get 1% better every day.

I hear what you're saying but I do know some pretty darn good rats. Many of the best will travel. Many won't. That just the way it is. We're not in AZ this week because I think it's a waste of money. But for many, the 100 mile rule doesn't work either. We ran out of competitive local challenges when my kid was 11 or 12. Yes, we play men, women, people on street corners, jugglers, clowns, trapeze artists, etc... In theory, your ideas sound great but they don't work for all, but many like the travel, the grind, spending money... welcome to the USA.
 
I hear what you're saying but I do know some pretty darn good rats. Many of the best will travel. Many won't. That just the way it is. We're not in AZ this week because I think it's a waste of money. But for many, the 100 mile rule doesn't work either. We ran out of competitive local challenges when my kid was 11 or 12. Yes, we play men, women, people on street corners, jugglers, clowns, trapeze artists, etc... In theory, your ideas sound great but they don't work for all, but many like the travel, the grind, spending money... welcome to the USA.

I hear ya...I've been around this biz a looong time. I've seen and heard it all. As long as the parents make an educated decision (understand the costs; understand the overall effect on playing these tournaments on the child's game), then there should be no regrets. That's all I'm saying.

On a side note, I was working with a family a while back and they had an 11yo kid who was pretty good but very inexperienced. The parents would spend a truck load of money sending him to all the nationals, Eddie Herr, Orange Bowl, etc even though the kid would get thumped in a local tournament. I told them, and others since, that they need to focus on owning their backyard first, then the neighborhood, thereafter the city, and so on. Otherwise, the kid is just learning how to lose. Nah! They knew better. Kid's pretty much quit tennis at this point. Now this is an extreme example, I admit. But this family, and many more like it I've had the opportunity to work with, believe that the "high level" will somehow 'rub off' on their child simply by being around it. Of course, there are those who dominate their immediate and extended radius and need broader horizons. They are doing the right thing by looking for better competition. But if the kid tends to get 'rounded' at every major event, then maybe the parents have some rethinking to do.
 
You and I are on the same page. I've only been around about a decade but I've been fortunate to have been exposed to some extremely knowledgeable people that steered me straight early in the process. It also helps the learning process by living in Florida.
 
I hear ya...I've been around this biz a looong time. I've seen and heard it all. As long as the parents make an educated decision (understand the costs; understand the overall effect on playing these tournaments on the child's game), then there should be no regrets. That's all I'm saying.

On a side note, I was working with a family a while back and they had an 11yo kid who was pretty good but very inexperienced. The parents would spend a truck load of money sending him to all the nationals, Eddie Herr, Orange Bowl, etc even though the kid would get thumped in a local tournament. I told them, and others since, that they need to focus on owning their backyard first, then the neighborhood, thereafter the city, and so on. Otherwise, the kid is just learning how to lose. Nah! They knew better. Kid's pretty much quit tennis at this point. Now this is an extreme example, I admit. But this family, and many more like it I've had the opportunity to work with, believe that the "high level" will somehow 'rub off' on their child simply by being around it. Of course, there are those who dominate their immediate and extended radius and need broader horizons. They are doing the right thing by looking for better competition. But if the kid tends to get 'rounded' at every major event, then maybe the parents have some rethinking to do.

I am not sure what your involvement is with CATennis, but I really enjoy reading the blog. So far, I think you are giving good advice here and I hope you continue contributing.
 
I am not sure what your involvement is with CATennis, but I really enjoy reading the blog. So far, I think you are giving good advice here and I hope you continue contributing.

Thank you. I am one of the handful of contributors. It's amazing that so many people across the globe think alike in terms of development. We're just trying to put everyone together and provide a unified voice to stand out against the noise that's out there. Hopefully, we'll manage to show how the same level - if not higher - can be achieved through less money, less stress, more fun and more reward. If I tell people that all of us at CAtennis have managed to play D-1 (top 10 programs), get full rides, traveled the world and all for less than $100K apiece, I hope that some people will take our advice. As always, please feel free to pass the word re the blog to anyone who may be interested. Thank you
 
I think there are a lot out there like this unfortunately. We started our run in nationals when our player was dominating (ranked 1) in our section at age 12. After a few, he won a level 3. Went deep in some L2s then won those. Eventually won a level 1 in singles and doubles. At the L2 point we simultaneously moved into ITFs, same process, won the G4 and G5s and then worked up the ITF ladder. This was over years, not months. Yes, there was a disastrous L1 where he went out first round, it happens, they are just little people btw. But we didn't waste much money ever going to events he shouldn't be at. Every win or loss is about building experience and confidence - which become the most important factors once the physical tools are in the shed as they say. Getting blown out however, is not the experience you want over and over. If you aren't dominating your section, then nationals are not a good use of time and money, unless it is a fun vacation break as well. Taking all those steps builds experience (and confidence) all along the way. When in finals, we knew pressure was never an issue because he had been in them many times, all the way back to the lower level sectional events he started with when he was young. Carries into college or pros. Using the building blocks as you described (neighborhood - locally- sectionally-nationally-internationally) makes them really strong when (and if) they reach the top.

Learning to play and win versus someone younger, older, better, weaker, when family is there, when college coaches watch, when scouts watch, when the cute girl watches, when your strings aren't just right, when it's windy, when you have a cold, when it's a final - and many other variables - comes from working through the process. "Betterness" doesn't ruboff just from attending, it is earned through a very long process. Skipping steps catches up with a player at critical times. You can see it in a match. The "I've been here before and you haven't" strength/resolve brings a lot into a match for that player.

You are right on the money. 100% agree. As I always say, winning can only be learned; it cannot be taught (or rubbed off someone else). If winners win, then people who lose are....well, ya know..cannon-fodder. If you don't build a solid foundation and try to "buy" your way into the elite, the whole structure will come tumbling down.
 
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