WARPWOODIE
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From what I've been hearing, Robert Lansdorp is a pretty intense individual himself...having throw off some kids off his practice sessions for not paying attention, lack of effort, and so on.
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From what I've been hearing, Robert Lansdorp is a pretty intense individual himself...having throw off some kids off his practice sessions for not paying attention, lack of effort, and so on.
jigglypuff
Rookie
I'm as much a skeptic as the next person. I'm pretty sure Lansdorp charges big bucks (someone tell me a ballpark figure), so unless he is into charity cases now, how can Deiton afford it? Unless Deiton is getting funding somewhere. If that is the case, it shows that Brad's camp is doing something right.
Of course Brads camp is doin something right he has helped Deiton to become one the best 14 year olds in the country! I would say he has done something right.
Look at the way he swings his stick , he learned that how lol? These blowhards have been slamming Lanssy's work for a while (about 2 years) Dr. notennnis really has the facts from the junior world together.
I did not mean any disrespect towards Brad... it is just unlikely that any one coach or mentor can provide all the expertise and insights that are required to become world class. Wondering what Deit's schedule will be this summer? A 14's supernational or more playing up tournaments?
Lets see unless your man enough like Tom C. or even the freak show Mr. Baughman everybody on here is using fake name as a screen name you blowhard! Take off before you spill any more of your stupidity.
Dropshot11
New User
Trojankid, Not calling all parent's crazy but I have seen it all in Palm Beach and Broward County, Fl. over the past 5 years. Not many tennis parent's are like yours, more are like vipers that came across the river Styx. Your very lucky I would say. It seems your parent's are teaching the important things by not placing an emphasis on the win's and just allowing you to have fun. Very important. The winning thing is something you have in your gut on your own.
I'm not one to assume but from following this board on and off and listening to others it just seems like Deiton is being taught a method that few would understand in this day. I might be way off here about my perceptions. I have to admit after seeing the profile his dad put up on here I was a bit taken. I did not expect to see so much honesty from the dad and Deiton had a maturity about him that did not sound as if it came from fear or abuse from his father. I saw a kid with a plan for tennis and Marine Biology and it appears he is implementing that plan from the Easter Bowl results. I think (and could be very wrong) this boy might be the one driving the dad. You said you know him, right? Am I off? He had a confidence to him that abused kid's do not have and if not he needs to go into acting instead of tennis. His interview was very convincing and compelling.
As far as speaking my mind; I'm nobody that will ever matter in the tennis world nor do I need to be but I love to observe and study social interaction from outside the "bubble". I'm the one who smiles and say's hello but I do not care what your having for dinner or who Matilda went to the dance with. I listen and remember everything I see and hear. I just like being the fly on the wall or in this case a Lizard on the clay. Someday I just might be the guy that produces a documentary on the truth about Junior tennis, who knows? Let me assure you of this. I KNOW the real stories behind some of the most talked about juniors in S. Florida both good and bad from 8-18 b&g or the kid's who are top ranked nationally that come to FL. thinking they are going to find gold at the end of the rainbow. There is not a balance in favor of the kid's who are being manipulated by their parent's or the parent's by the coaches. It is a totally dysfunctional system with the % of players making it like those % of serving that ACE up the "T" on every serve. Do you ever think about how many Donald Young's there are? Play this sport for fun, get an education and make plans to be something other than a star first, that is my suggestion to anyone wanting to be a pro tennis player, Then you have a winner first and if tennis works out, great. Sam Querry come's to mind.
I'm not one to assume but from following this board on and off and listening to others it just seems like Deiton is being taught a method that few would understand in this day. I might be way off here about my perceptions. I have to admit after seeing the profile his dad put up on here I was a bit taken. I did not expect to see so much honesty from the dad and Deiton had a maturity about him that did not sound as if it came from fear or abuse from his father. I saw a kid with a plan for tennis and Marine Biology and it appears he is implementing that plan from the Easter Bowl results. I think (and could be very wrong) this boy might be the one driving the dad. You said you know him, right? Am I off? He had a confidence to him that abused kid's do not have and if not he needs to go into acting instead of tennis. His interview was very convincing and compelling.
As far as speaking my mind; I'm nobody that will ever matter in the tennis world nor do I need to be but I love to observe and study social interaction from outside the "bubble". I'm the one who smiles and say's hello but I do not care what your having for dinner or who Matilda went to the dance with. I listen and remember everything I see and hear. I just like being the fly on the wall or in this case a Lizard on the clay. Someday I just might be the guy that produces a documentary on the truth about Junior tennis, who knows? Let me assure you of this. I KNOW the real stories behind some of the most talked about juniors in S. Florida both good and bad from 8-18 b&g or the kid's who are top ranked nationally that come to FL. thinking they are going to find gold at the end of the rainbow. There is not a balance in favor of the kid's who are being manipulated by their parent's or the parent's by the coaches. It is a totally dysfunctional system with the % of players making it like those % of serving that ACE up the "T" on every serve. Do you ever think about how many Donald Young's there are? Play this sport for fun, get an education and make plans to be something other than a star first, that is my suggestion to anyone wanting to be a pro tennis player, Then you have a winner first and if tennis works out, great. Sam Querry come's to mind.
Dropshot11 your pretty level headed ,as for what your saying your right on the money there are parents who are beating their kids, some who don't give a crap and some who balance it out, you seem to be the latter , best to you and your kid or kids if you have any.
As for Deiton pretty solid kid anyone who knows him will say so, any one who has played him knows he comes full speed ahead, has great strokes ,great movement but tends to get mad and overhit ,one of his weakness, his dad plays like he is dirt poor but like I said been to their house 'not cheap' my dad and I don't hang out with them to much any more but when we did they left on vacation and Mr. Baughman loaned my pops his Porsche Cayman for a week brand new did not even have plates on it yet pretty cool . So yes I do know him and where he trains we run in the same circles so when I watch these guys (tenniscraze notennis tennisflorida tnscap) bag on him and his dad I laugh at how he strung them along LOL
Any other questions on juniors in So. Cal from someone with firsthand reports not heresay?
As for Deiton pretty solid kid anyone who knows him will say so, any one who has played him knows he comes full speed ahead, has great strokes ,great movement but tends to get mad and overhit ,one of his weakness, his dad plays like he is dirt poor but like I said been to their house 'not cheap' my dad and I don't hang out with them to much any more but when we did they left on vacation and Mr. Baughman loaned my pops his Porsche Cayman for a week brand new did not even have plates on it yet pretty cool . So yes I do know him and where he trains we run in the same circles so when I watch these guys (tenniscraze notennis tennisflorida tnscap) bag on him and his dad I laugh at how he strung them along LOL
Any other questions on juniors in So. Cal from someone with firsthand reports not heresay?
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jigglypuff
Rookie
Yeah, that's the same old cliche. While it may be true, I'm not sure any of the ATP players in the top 10 or 20 for that matter followed this recipe, particularly the "education" part.
Trojan, are you sure you our a school kid or have you had to much koolaid to drink this evening. Most people who our on here know perfectly well that Mr Baughman is as poor as they come and has a wife who turns the other cheek with his abusive behavior towards his son. She is just as much fault as he is.
I'm sure this is a ploy to try and fish out who I am or who anyone else is on here for that matter. Nice publicity for the Baughmans though, keep it up...
I will say it again and again, Deiton has the best strokes of any kids between the ages of 14-18 but has (00) mental capacity based on the abuse he has endured from his daddy & mommy. There are many, many, many, many, etc. kids with great strokes but without the mind its a waste. I don't believe the BS about how all the great players come from parents like the Baughmans (abusive) as I believe there are some who have been abused and made it and there are others who have not. Unfortunately Deiton does not have the type of personality to blow off the abuse and move on to great things.
Mr Baughman may have the best 14 year old but has is won the Eddie Herr, Orange Bowl and now Easter Bowl, nope.................Now go run along and tell more lies about the Baughmans fame and fortune to someone other than on here..............
notennis are you the one who admits to getting your "info" from the junior tennis world ?
Everybody he did say this right? This is the Dr. who has never watched this kid play never met the family and gets his "Enquire Minds 411" from a bunch of crazy's we call the tennis community .
Anyways i have to deal with the same people yet I talk about the ones Ive met and know not guess at or hearsay . notennis your and doof with stature problems in more ways then one.LOL whatever blowhard they live in Sunset Beach between Seal Beach and Huntington
BTW did your two great college kids ever semi or final at the Easter Bowl??? If not what is their mental? if Deitons is 00 then they must be plant life LOL
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Again, not revealing to much information. He (Mr Baughman) has discussed and put on Video (Fox Sports) who he is, etc. I speak to a very reliable source and everyone on here knows he lives (inland) and further up in Carson (Dummy). The Jr Tennis world is small believe it or not and Mr Baughman unfortunately made his bed and now he gets to sleep in it. Nuff Said, Go ruffle someones elses feathers because you are just trying as hard as you can to figure out who the enemies are of Mr Baughman and too bad it is'nt going to work. Time will tell, and this kid is going no where with his Daddy as his coach.....The Home Depot center coaches think the world of him, lol..
Go have another drink of koolaid.....
First off really don't care who you are ! I've laughed at all you dumb*sses going back and forth, all of us on here who play and know tennis laugh at guys like you who ridicule everyone on here who have great stuff because you can not and have not produced anything.
notennis the tennis world is small duh! but you say your a Dr. and your facts come from a bunch of people according to your old post and every post are less then you would approve of. In other words everyone on here you knock except tenniscraze who also knocks everyone ,these are part of that small world you rely on , listen to your logic duhhhhhhh
I'll will personally go to his house film him some how and post it then what "I set it up" nothing will satisfy you .
I find it rather interesting that people are arguing about this kid Deiton and what he has accomplished by getting to the semis of Easter Bowl at the age of 14, and no one mentions the fact that a kid who got to the final, Kozlov, just turned 12 and yet was only one set away from winning the whole thing.
Although semis of Easter Bowl is certainly an impressive result, however, Deiton did get straight setted by both Belga and Rubin, and none of the sets were even competitive. Looking at the draw, Deiton beat a very non-impressive field of players (Dunbar being his best win) and as soon as he came up against a more or less solid competition, he was done. He would have lost to Kozlov again, had he played him and certainly would have lost to Kerznerman or Garay.
Again, not a bad result, but let s not get carried away! Baughman has decent ground strokes, struggles with movement, especially up and down the court, is a little better side to side because of the reach, and even there, his anticipation instinct is pretty poor and he is very slow of the mark. These are things that are hard to teach at 14 (explosiveness should be there already at this age), more attention should have been paid to that earlier in his development.
I am not proposing that the other kids mentioned above will be better down the line, however, we do not have their parents ot their fan club polluting the threads like is done regarding Deiton.
I agree with you a great assessment on Deiton ,I think why more is put on him then the other three from what I saw was they are all small Kozlov is real small his dad is short so he probably wont get tall , same with Rubin and Belga both real little guys so were their dads .
The other thing is Deiton doesn't play half as much as them (check his record) yet can show up and be right there in the final four pretty impressive. What Im wondering is were did Deiton get his size he towers over his dad.
I think they all suck but my question to you is who did Deiton beat in your camp to get you talking this way ? He beat me once and thats why I think he sucks.LOL
To answer your question, I do not have a camp and do not represent anybody's interests. In other words, I have no invested interest here, however, just like you, I am entitled to an opinion and after observing a few matches at Easter Bowl, I can render it.
I do not know how much the other kids will grow, neither am do I care. Like I said in my original post, I am not proposing that the other kids will have an illustrious career in tennis. The other kids may play more tournaments, more matches, may have better coaches or better team around them, may have more money and etc. I am merely pointing out what this kid Deiton lacks. Now whether this is due to less play or for whatever reason, is irrelevant. I see a product in front of me that has already grown physically and is bigger and stronger than his competition (i.e, he has already developed) and yet is not able to dominate or even beat smaller, less developed and according to you, sucky players.
There are things that are a little late to teach at 14. Instincts develop earlier, so does the skill of anticipation, being quick off the mark, initial step in any direction. Deiton has good looking strokes that are not very effective, do not penetrate through the court, has very poor volleys and feels very uncomfortable at the net. He will need to improve in those areas to be able to beat better players in his age group. I am not even talking about the kids that are a year or two older, where Deiton's height will not be a factor and will not give him an advantage on the serve.
Again, I am not predicting any great things for the other few kids mentioned because it is early to tell since they have not yet physically developed or maybe will not develop as much as Deiton did. But Deiton did develop, did grow, has at least 4-5 inches on the guys he plays and his presence should intimidate his opponents. However, the better ones seem to figure out his weaknesses rather quickly and easily. And when Deiton is not able to dominate because he is bigger and taller, he does not have enough tennis skills or know how to fall bvack on!
Great observation and point. I have said in the past that once the Baughman kid gets up against athletic and skilled players he has problems and just can't get over the hump of winning the major Jr Tourneys I.E. Eddie Herr, Orange Bowl and of course the Easter Bowl. And I even pointed out footwork which your right at 14 will be difficult to teach especially with Deitons size. And finally the key ingredient (Mental) which I don't believe is a strength of his. Thanks Tennis CP for your observation as originally when I began this debate a few pages ago I asked if anyone went out to the Easter Bowl to see Mr Baughmans son play, etc.............I hope this helps Trojan as well with figuring out what a player is and is'nt..........
TennisCoachFLA
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This is why I maintain that the 10-14s is not worth worrying about results and rankings. Besides the nice trophies, even the 14s is too early to tell who will end up real players.
With the boys, its hard to gain much insight from tournies results unless we are talking about the winners and finalists and semi finalists of the Orange Bowl, Eddie Herr, and Easter Bowl 16s and 18s. And even the 16s can be hit and miss since boys change so much from 15-17.
But if your boy is a semifinalist in the 18s of these tournies....now we are talking about a heck of a player.
With the boys, its hard to gain much insight from tournies results unless we are talking about the winners and finalists and semi finalists of the Orange Bowl, Eddie Herr, and Easter Bowl 16s and 18s. And even the 16s can be hit and miss since boys change so much from 15-17.
But if your boy is a semifinalist in the 18s of these tournies....now we are talking about a heck of a player.
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TennisFlorida and Tenniscp I have a problem maybe you guys can solve first off Tenniscp its good to see your observation comes from watching with your own eyes ''hint hint notennis'' so does mine but my point I want to get at if TCF says what Deiton and Kozlov, Rubin, and Belga did does not matter but you seem to say what and how their performing at this age does can you guy help me with your contradiction or elaborate a little more please?
One thing I did ask Mr.Baughman at the Easter Bowl was why is Deitons serve not as fast as I think it could be for his size his response was good but I thought ridiculous , "Deiton does not need to serve fast in the 14's just place it" If I had his size I would blast it I would serve it 200mph LOL BTW I did see him hit his backhand right through a few kids its ridiculous how much he 'can' generate he is a playing contradiction.
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TennisCoachFLA
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Don't get me wrong....what these boys are doing does matter. It matters a lot. It matters to their self confidence, it helps them network with people, its a great way for them to stay in shape and active, it teaches them mental toughness that they can use later in life.
Playing great tennis at ages 12-13-14-15 matters a ton. It produces some great young men.
But what it does not do is guarantee or predict which boys will become top D-1 players or money making pros. To me there is a big difference in 14s tennis mattering for life skills vs 14s tennis predicting a huge career in tennis.
Now specifically about Mr. Baughman's boy. I am glad he is back out there, thats what matters. But he beat the 29th ranked boy yet got handled by the 4th and 5th ranked boys. In the 14s there can be light years from the top 5 and the rest. Or some of the top boys may have parents who took them to enough tournaments so they have high rankings they do not deserve. What do those rankings mean 29th? 4th? 5th? Unseeded? Without having intimate knowledge of the players, we really do not know how good they are from just the rankings at 14.
Maybe some of these boys were playing careful tennis, others were just going for it to develop a long term game. Maybe some of the boys who lost are actually much better long term prospects.
So in the end...who knows? Really, who knows what a win over a 29th ranked boy at 14 means and losses to 4th and 5th? There are too many variables at that age. The 29th ranked boy may end up much better than the 4th ranked boy one day.
I say lets see what these boys do at ages 17-18. In the meantime, the rankings should matter to the boys if that is what keeps them motivated to play tennis. To the parents....not so much.
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TCF was not at the Easter Bowl so he can not elaborate on what you believe to be a contradiction. Tenniscp was there and made intelligent observations as it relates to Deitons footwork, Skills, strokes and future..The others Kozlov and the top group he could not rate other than making the point that had Deiton won he would have lost to Kozlov, Kezermann, belga anyway based on athleticism and pure skills which you still don't seem to understand Trojan. I'm sure this may make you feel a little lost since you have been beaten by Deiton and now there is constructive feedback on his game which for some odd reason you can't put to rest. Nuff said..............Tenniscp stated facts which helps people like me with our final analysys of Jrs to look out for in the future. Thanks Tenniscp once again, and thanks TCF for you (basic) logic.
I watched Roder Federer play a second round match and he looked like a futures player then next round looked like the worlds number one then the fifth round a challenger player then when he got knocked out in the semis he looked pretty solid but was having a bad day after suffering from Mono, what I want to know is which Deiton did he see play cause from round to round from point to point you can look so much different.
When I played him I was smoking him then at 4 1 me he had five great games set over had tennscap watched up to 4 1 me he looked like a beginner but then he raised his level.
I still think Deiton sucks and I still think your expert observation is bias to any one who is against Deiton and that shows your a cruel person because although I don't care for him as a opponent he was pretty sick four a few month and for that Im pulling for the skinny runt.
Tennis Florida you make a great conclusion on the matter I think I'll write a paper on you in school.
I'm always hoping for the best but when his parents tout this kid as being the greatest of his age and generation and putting him on Fox Sports it only makes critrics like me follow his Jr career that much closer. As I said before, he loses against much better players when it counts most. He lost at the Eddie Herr and lost at the Easter Bowl. This kid would have a hard time trying to win the upcoming Herr and Orange Bowl you mark my words. I'm only stating facts and I will say this for the final time, this kid deiton has no chance of even making it to a college career let alone professional based purely on the way he has been coached (lack of footwork, instincts, take-offs, mental) which his daddy over looked because he thought strokes would be all this kid needs. To bad he (Mr Baughman) has'nt already realized this as this thing only gets harder as they approach the 16-18's....BTW, I like your logic about Fedderer, etc.. Fed & Nada both played soccer for quite a few years before switching full time to tennis so lets be real, Deiton does not have Fed or Nadals atheticism at all. Tenniscp made perfectly good logic
based on his non-bias observation you big Trojan dummy...
You have to be a little more coherent in your arguments! Your posts go from stating that Deiton's serve sucks and is slow to he can bomb them north of 110 miles an hour. Then you say he sucks and right away you say he can turn on his level and be unbeatable for five games. Everything you say has to do with a match, I am assuming, you played against him. And it is pretty sad that you were not able to figure out what to do against him or you did figure out and did not have the tennis ability to execute!
I do not claim that Deiton is bad or unworthy of mentioning. He is an above average ball striker with clean, good looking strokes. However, tennis is not just about that. According to some sources, Deiton was sick for a while and is just playing his third or fourth tournament and that is fine. My observations about his game go beyond the results he achieved or what round he got to. I saw him play a few times before and have seen a few matches at the recent Esater Bowl. Did I stop and watch the whole match he played? NO. There were other, more interesting matches and better players to watch. The fact is I do not need to observe the kid for an hour to notice things that are obvious to anyone who has an understanding of tennis. With lesser opponents, Deiton looked better obviously and was able to win points because he is bigger, stronger and did not have to move much since he dictated play. In other two matches and a doubles match that I observed, he played better competition and there were moments when he looked he was lost as what to do when he could not overpower the competition. He does not yet have the answer to players who have better tennis sense and are able to handle his pace, therefore, he falls flat and starts doing something that he does not do well- venture to the net not having volleys or try touch plays without having the touch. I.E. he is lost. Since he is the one that is being moved and ying yanged around the court, his limitations in court movement and slow initial take off became apparent, and he looks down right silly and clumsy. The boy does have pretty good attitude on the court most of the time when Daddy is watching but when Daddy abandons him after losing a set, he allows himself certain liberties just like any other junior at that age with not so strong mental make up.
So there it is, in a nutshell! Deiton-a good ball striker with clean strokes (when stationary), who did very well at this year's Easter Bowl (beyond his seeding and expectations). Is he the dominant figure in Boys 14's or 16's like his camp advertises? Very, very far from it! Last year's crop of players in the same age group were a much stronger bunch with more complete and technically advanced games (McDonald, Madregallejo, Trey Daniel, Papa, Kwiatkowski, Corintelli, Pura and etc).
It matters not whether Deiton won the tournament or not. He might have a s well won the Easter Bowl, was two matches away! But the points I bring up are there and are self-evident. So even if Deiton would have won the Easter Bowl, the observations would have been the same!
jigglypuff
Rookie
Point is nobody wants to wait till the're 17-18. We might have kicked the bucket by then. And if we're still around at 17-18, we'll be saying wait till they go pro and see if their game translates... blah blah blah. There's no fun like speculation.
jigglypuff
Rookie
Exactly... if he had won, people who have been kissing his butt will kiss it even more. People who have been giving him crap will give him more.
socaltennnis
Rookie
Just to help you out, 2 things: I used to hit with Deiton Baughman and his dad 3-4 years ago all around Newport Beach and Irvine. Both of them are very nice people and I saw no harmful interactions between either of them in my time hanging with them.
Read Tenniscp's observation while at the Easter Bowl. If Mr Baughman was here to defend himself he would have a hard time doing so based on the analysys from Tenniscp.
Comments: When Deiton was pressed and or played against the better players ranked 5-10 he struggled and eventually lost. His footwork is mid range at best, agility poor with a slow quick first step in getting to a ball.
So whats there to defend? I'm done with this subject and quite frankly its getting a little old. His son has a hard time winning a major tournament and the competition will only get better as he approaches the 16's as most kids will neutralize his serve which apparently was quoted by tenniscp.
If Brad thinks Deiton is the next Pete Sampras why does it matter?Deiton is a very good player and no one knows how good he will be.When i played in the 14 and unders there was a player named Craig Baskins who wasnt all that great in the 14s.When Craig was 18 he played in the finals of the Zoo and got a tennis scholarship to play for the University of Georgia.So when someone says Deiton wont even play college tennis it is just ridiculous!
TennisCoachFLA
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Ha....sorry, but you do not know how funny that is with this forum's long history with Mr. Brad.
I like Brad and I want him to continue posting on this board....trust me, I have a feeling he is defending himself just fine, under several different screen names!
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I dont think so. I heard he was really hurt when he was kicked off the site!
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Which time, he got booted a few times. Brad is a former boxer and gang member (by his own admittance), his feeling don't get hurt!
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
^^^ Terrible prediction/"Fact". He will easily make it on a college team.
Probably d1. d2 minimum.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Wow, you must be a good judge. I don't know one college coach who would predict if a 12-13 year old boy will be a D-1 player. I know Nick Bollettieri says he reserves judgement on the boys until they are about 15-16 as they change so much from 12-16.
I suppose if a 12-13 year old was tearing up the 14s and 16s top tournaments, beating the top 5 boys routinely, then a coach might try to gamble on a prediction....but based on beating a 29th ranked 14 and losing to the 4th and 5th ranked boys? You certainly must know more than the rest of us.
Heck with the rapid increase in foreign born boys in D-1, I don't even know how many places will be available in 6 years.
In my humble opinion, predictions either way for such a young boy are silly.
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This I add to TCF's comments:
Like I said before and have been saying, read the comments from tenniscp who was at the Easter Bowl and watched firsthand Deiton in action. Looked lost at times, poor footwork, agility mid range with a slow first step. Easily beat a weak field in this years 14's and when pressed against kids 5-10 in ranking he failed again and lost 6-1 6-1. Needless to say he would have most likely lost to Kozlov had they played again. The kids 5-10 in ranking were more athletic and skilled per tenniscp. One can only wonder where Deiton will end up but I doubt seriously he will play College and would question his scholastic background based on his old man and most likely mom being uneducated folks.
Time will tell....
I never said that Deiton lost 6-1 6-1. I merely said that against more solid competition he had no answer and lost routine straight set losses where the other kids were not even threatened.
I do not know and can't possibly predict at this point whether Deiton will be good enough for D 1 or D 2 or even a pro career, but one thing is clear. At 14 he should have developed stronger all around game to be a prospect for greater things in tennis. That, however, could be helped, for he may make a huge leap in the next year or two, but physical limitations are harder to come by- slow initial reaction, delayed reaction to the ball that is not hit to him, poor anticipation, lack of ability to change directions effectively even at this level, poor footwork on the volleys (tends to volley with his upper body and hands more than legs), lack of explosiveness on his shots that appear more linear and upward. Considering all these attributes that he lacks, he is no prodigy and will not be considered a major threat to any of the better players in his age group at this time. I am not even talking about kids that are a year older. You put him against McDonald, Madregallejo, Kwiatkowski, Papa and he will be dismantled. These guys were at a much higher level of development last year when they were 14, both physically and technically.
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TennisCoachFLA
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As you know, thats just the USTA boys. American parents also need to realize the immense and growing depth of talent of the international boys.
We have no idea the degree of athleticism that will be needed to compete at the pro level, or even D-1, in 5 years. The bar is being raised at a rapid rate.
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No Doubt.......
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tenniscrazed
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Your right, you know. Mens Tennis is evolving into a game of "animalistic" performance. You must be a raging bull with zero fear to succeed in the coming years. Del Po is the predictor of the future of juniors.
I've only seen a few that have that "del po" no fear and the names mentioned aren't it either. Maybe one, but he's not a raging machine yet.
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onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
I never claimed that he'd be a superstar d1 player, just that
he'd easily make it on a d1 or d2 team by the time he's 18.
btw, he recently beat a guy on UCSB's team 2 & 1 in a
USTA open tournament.
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tenniscrazed
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I never claimed that he'd be a superstar d1 player, just that
he'd easily make it on a d1 or d2 team by the time he's 18.
btw, he recently beat a guy on UCSB's team 2 & 1
I said the same thing a year ago. Search my posts I predicted D2. I would agree though D1 6 maybe 5 position. D2 4 position. There are many direct comparisons right now even with the same body type (long, lanky less athletic than his peers).
Your being very generous. These Colleges will have a major pool of great players and most coming from Europe (70%). As I said, time will tell. Hopefully Mr Baughman is starting the process of preparing his son for College. I'm sure all the families with Jr players not as tall as his son are smiling especially since all the time Mr Baughman was indirectly making fun of some of the Jr's who apparently in his mind were to short and not as gifted as Deiton, not cool.......
onehandbh
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tenniscrazed
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I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the possibility that 1) he will stay injury free 2) he will maintain a top 20 TRN 3) his SAT scores will allow him to academic eligibility. Based on that he is likely to get 25% athletic, the balance will be financial grants. If he moves up the position ladder then the athletic portion may grow from there. I will say this is also my take on Kozlov as well.
With all due respect to both of them, a pro career where a living is made out competing in tennis matches is a bit out of the question and not very realistic.
coaching32yrs
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I did not see much of Deiton at the Easter Bowl. I saw Belga, Rubin, Kozlov, and Roy. They are all excellent. It is impossible to predict at 13-14 which will develop the most. I like Roy's game because he plays adult tennis. Kozlov is fantastic but he plays too much defense.
Great point Tenniscraze Del Po the guy up until a year and a half ago had a 110 mph serve at 6'5 on the ATP he turned out to get through ok . Seeing that Deiton serves slow his future is probably doomed like Del Po's!
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