Edberg racquet and setup

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Edberg's racquet and setup

With all the talk that goes on about Samaras racquet set up and or that matter Federer's.

I could not find any information pertaining to Edberg’s racquet.

Which version of the PS 85 did Edberg prefer?

Was it modified?

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Well after using "racket" instead of "racquet" I would some information.

racketcollector said:
Hey guys--I'm NOT the guy that tried to sell the racket on ****, but I do own 2 of Stefan's actual frames. I used to string on the tour, and knew Stefan pretty well.

Anyway, yes, he used the original Pro Staff (85 sq in) with a grommet strip (no bumper guard); early 80's model, painted up like the Pro Staff Classic (in order to market this new version for Wilson, circa April-March 1991). He used them for a little over a year, then switched back to the original cosmetics (still the same racket though) right before winning his 2nd US Open in '92. He also switched from Bow Brand gut to VS All Season around this time. His grips were slightly modified to be a large 4 1/2 (or a small 4 5/8?) according to his coach, Tony Piccard. None of his frames that I strung had lead tape. They were all pretty evenly matched as far as weight and balance. Not exactly identical (like Lendl, Becker or Sampras) but close enough for him. I believe they were just hand selected for him at the factory. Which factory (St Vincent, etc)? I have no clue. Once they started making the frame with a bumper guard (ie, Pete's model), he had to hoard all he could find, with the help of Wilson reps, etc. I don't think he was ever really concerned about running out! I even remember hearing a rumor that this bumperguard-less frame was used nationwide for the USRSA certification tests, and Wilson ended up asking for all of them back to give to Stefan! True? Who knows. Maybe Don Hightower can answer that one.

I can't imagine selling one of these frames, or any other in my collection, but you never know. I guess if offers start pouring in, I'll have to reconsider! If I ever decide to sell, I'll post notification on this board. Hope this helps. Peace!
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http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=19796
 
Nice find. Edberg was one of my all time faves...

I wonder how much worse his kick serve shanks would have been if the racquet he used had a wider beam? :mrgreen:
 
warreng said:
Nice find. Edberg was one of my all time faves...

I wonder how much worse his kick serve shanks would have been if the racquet he used had a wider beam? :mrgreen:
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they would have been long.
 
I've actaully got one of Edbergs rackets somewhere (his actaul paintjob one), i'll do the specs on my balance board when i get the time.
 
s_andrean said:
I've actaully got one of Edbergs rackets somewhere (his actaul paintjob one), i'll do the specs on my balance board when i get the time.
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Yes, that would be great. Thank you.
 
Oh **** i remember this now!
Give it a week for the specs, my mates got the racquet.
Sorry about that.
From what i remember it was a PJ'ed PS 85 made to look like a 6.1 classic. No sign of lead anywhere. He used Klip Legend natural gut strings.
 
s_andrean said:
Oh **** i remember this now!
Give it a week for the specs, my mates got the racquet.
Sorry about that.
From what i remember it was a PJ'ed PS 85 made to look like a 6.1 classic. No sign of lead anywhere. He used Klip Legend natural gut strings.
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brilliant!

thanks!
 
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SFrazeur said:
With all the talk that goes on about Samaras racquet set up and or that matter Federer's.

I could not find any information pertaining to Edberg’s racquet.

Which version of the PS 85 did Edberg prefer?

Was it modified?

-----UPDATE-----

Well after using "racket" instead of "racquet" I would some information.



http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=19796
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His tension was 57 lbs. and he had 200 frames set asode for him; also they had a different "drill pattern" for the string.
 
Maybe ericsson might have an idea... if I remember correctly, he has some of the ProStaff Classic-paintjob sticks.
 
Interestingly, one of the his PS85 paintjobs (to look like a PS Classic) was on the big auction site just last week. Was on sale for about US$400 from memory.
 
I'm not sure where I got this, but it was probably Greg Raven's HD Tennis site. I don't know if it is strung or unstrung...

1993 ATP World Championship (Frankfurt)
Stefan Edberg, Wilson Pro Staff Original 6.0 85, 357g, 32cm (7 pt HL), 341 SW, Babolat VS All Season 57/55

The PS85's were heavy by current stock standards, but not that heavy. It looks to me like he did have some weight added.
 
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Is the sw right for Edbergs racquet? Wouldn`t it be much higher if the static weight is 357g and the balance at 32 cm?
 
pstar said:
Is the sw right for Edbergs racquet? Wouldn`t it be much higher if the static weight is 357g and the balance at 32 cm?
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How did you figure that one out ?? You can have 2 racquets with 357 grams mass and 32 cm balance with significantly different swingweight.
The 2 (mass and balance) stats are not enough to determine SW.
 
pstar said:
Ok, didn`t know that :oops: Read this some days ago though:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=5146331#post5146331
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He is "grossly approximating"...let's just put it like that.
You CAN find out swing weight if you know weight and balance, but it involves some work and it involves "timed swings". You can't just calculate it using a formula directly from mass and balance like that guy is doing.
See http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/howto_swingweight.php for detailed explanations on how to calculate sw if you have mass and balance.
See http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/swingweight_calc.php for the actual calculator.
Hope this helps.
P.S. The alternative is to put the racquet on a specialized machine which will "swing it" and give you the SW number...but access to one of those can be problematic.

Proof that the formula provided by the guy is inaccurate :
- my own racquets have a mass of 340 grams and a balance of 32 cm (strung). Following the formula I should have a SW of 0.34*32*32 = 348.16 (348 ). The actual SW of my racquets is 328.
The difference is SIGNIFICANT !
 
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Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me :).
Now I`ll have to go and measure the swingweight for my racquets all over again :-?
 
Don't Let It Bounce said:
I'm not sure where I got this, but it was probably Gregg Raven's HD Tennis site. I don't know if it is strung or unstrung...

1993 ATP World Championship (Frankfurt)
Stefan Edberg, Wilson Pro Staff Original 6.0 85, 357g, 32cm (7 pt HL), 341 SW, Babolat VS All Season 57/55

The PS85's were heavy by current stock standards, but not that heavy. It looks to me like he did have some weight added.
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Not saying your info is incorrect.

But, previous poster said his frames had no visible lead. A bumper guard typically weighs about 6 grams, which represents about 24 units of swingweight. If his frames had bumpers the swingweight would have been about 365. But stock PS85s had about 330 swingweight, with bumpers. So either your info is incorrect, or Edberg had some seriously custom frames, with either lead hid under the grommet strip or weight added to the head in the layup.
 
corners said:
Not saying your info is incorrect.

But, previous poster said his frames had no visible lead. A bumper guard typically weighs about 6 grams, which represents about 24 units of swingweight. If his frames had bumpers the swingweight would have been about 365. But stock PS85s had about 330 swingweight, with bumpers. So either your info is incorrect, or Edberg had some seriously custom frames, with either lead hid under the grommet strip or weight added to the head in the layup.
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Yeah, I wish I knew more. I just Googled and checked Mr. Raven's web site, and I can't find where I got that info. I just keep a list of specs like that that I add to when I come across it. If it helps distinguish the claim from much of what get tossed around on internet forums, these 1993 Frankfurt specs included 7 other players besides Edberg.

But, I can't dismiss any of those possibilities, including of course that it's bad data. In fact, there are a couple of other possibilities, too: that the PS85 changed its specs over its long life, and that Edberg changed his specs over his long career. I bet, though, that the specs of the no-bumper earlier PS85 would not be the same as the specs of the later, bumpered PS85 with its bumper removed. (I'd think the PS85 customers at the time the bumpered version came out, whom Wilson was hitting up for repeat sales, would have complained about that much additional swingwt.)
 
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The earlier bumperless St Vincent and Chicago frames feel very different to the bumpered versions. I'd assume that they had to adjust the specs of the raw frame to incorporate the addition of the bumper while keeping the overall mass and balance similar. Hence, it would be likely that the bumperless frames had more 'racquet material' than the bumpered frames - making them more dense maybe?
In my opinion, my bumperless frame feels more solid and thicker than my bumpered St Vincent frames.
 
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