Eddie Herr 2013

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TCF

Guest
You mean he has much better results than his sister? I hope that is what you mean, because despite my bias, I recognize he has a lot of talent. If his sister is a lot better, than she would have to be like a pro.

You know what match confused me? I watched the beginning of the Girls' 12 finals (flipped between the two streams) and I couldn't get how the girl that lost (ret.) got all the way to the final with that style. She didn't seem to have a game, you know? She was slicing all of her balls, especially on her forehand side... It seemed sloppy and gimmicky. Am I missing something here? I mean, yeah, I'm sure that style keeps her opponents off balance, but I swear we have girls in my section that could probably beat her... Maybe she switched to this style to counter her opponent, who seemed pretty solid? Any info?
Yes, the brother has much better results.

We go down to where that girl in the Herr finals trains a good bit. She is coached by her dad. I have seen her hit pretty hard, at least in practice. She is the top ranked national 12s for whatever that is worth. Maybe she was having some issues that caused her to retire and hit like you saw.
 

BigGuy

Rookie
Yes, the brother has much better results.

We go down to where that girl in the Herr finals trains a good bit. She is coached by her dad. I have seen her hit pretty hard, at least in practice. She is the top ranked national 12s for whatever that is worth. Maybe she was having some issues that caused her to retire and hit like you saw.
Yes, I had heard of her and heard she was a big hitter, like her sister. But mystery solved--Just read that the reason she retired was due to a hip injury. Methinks that might have hampered her swing a bit! Now it makes sense.
 

ga tennis

Hall of Fame
Nothing against the girls but they are not remotely close to the Williams sisters. The only thing in common is they are African American. The younger sister is not even close to an athlete like Serena!!! I have seen her play many many times and i dont see her going ANYWHERE with the game she is playing. Thats the problem with 99% of these girls they are trying to win and not trying to master the game that will translate to the next level. By the way i LOVE the mom she is a character!!!! Im not saying anything bad about the character of these wonderful young ladies because they are great people, im just saying that it is RIDICULOUS to compare them to the Williams sisters.
 
T

TCF

Guest
how was little Mo,,,,, the level of competition this year
We skipped it. $210 entry fee and a 5 day commitment through this Wed. We had to much scheduled to commit. They actually gave me a quick refund which was nice.

Heading out tomorrow to watch DB play at Orange Bowl.

By the way, are you headed down for holidays? I got a group of kids your guys can hit with.
 

NLBwell

Legend
Nothing against the girls but they are not remotely close to the Williams sisters. The only thing in common is they are African American. The younger sister is not even close to an athlete like Serena!!! I have seen her play many many times and i dont see her going ANYWHERE with the game she is playing. Thats the problem with 99% of these girls they are trying to win and not trying to master the game that will translate to the next level. By the way i LOVE the mom she is a character!!!! Im not saying anything bad about the character of these wonderful young ladies because they are great people, im just saying that it is RIDICULOUS to compare them to the Williams sisters.
Beware of predicting the future of kids. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team. It is a very good prediction because the chances of a kid being as good as Venus or Serena is almost zero. However, there will be someone who takes their place.
 
We skipped it. $210 entry fee and a 5 day commitment through this Wed. We had to much scheduled to commit. They actually gave me a quick refund which was nice.

Heading out tomorrow to watch DB play at Orange Bowl.

By the way, are you headed down for holidays? I got a group of kids your guys can hit with.
cool, let me know, the kid i train is down there already lost in the second round in three to a kid who might win it all. Shoot me an email, want to talk to you about a coach from Miami.
 

arche3

Banned
Tornado and Hurricane! What kind of first names are these?

I am going to change my name to Cyclone.
Kids all have weird names now. Its the in thing. If you show up to your usta matches and say hi im cyclone that takes big ones. Lol. Do it.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Kids all have weird names now. Its the in thing. If you show up to your usta matches and say hi im cyclone that takes big ones. Lol. Do it.
This has happened to me twice: When asked for my name, I said: "I am <so-and-so>" and then the person proceeded to call me Ayam.

Another thing that happened to me was when a woman walked up to me as I waiting beside a court and asked me if I was Steve Smith.
 
This has happened to me twice: When asked for my name, I said: "I am <so-and-so>" and then the person proceeded to call me Ayam.

Another thing that happened to me was when a woman walked up to me as I waiting beside a court and asked me if I was Steve Smith.
But are you Steve Smith? Does sureshs stand for "sure hands"? :shock:
 
Nothing against the girls but they are not remotely close to the Williams sisters. The only thing in common is they are African American. The younger sister is not even close to an athlete like Serena!!! I have seen her play many many times and i dont see her going ANYWHERE with the game she is playing. Thats the problem with 99% of these girls they are trying to win and not trying to master the game that will translate to the next level. By the way i LOVE the mom she is a character!!!! Im not saying anything bad about the character of these wonderful young ladies because they are great people, im just saying that it is RIDICULOUS to compare them to the Williams sisters.
I agree. I have read a lot lately about the younger sister and was curious to watch how she hit and I saw some of three of her matches online via web stream. She mainly sliced the serve in with a ball toss way out to the right and did a lot of baiting making the opponent come in and she would pass them. She did hit a few big balls, but a lot of forehand slicing also. I'm sure she probably is much better then I what I saw, but was really surprised to say the least. Seem winning was more important than playing a game that will benefit her more in the future.

I really have to admit I was scratching my head that these are suppose to be some of the best players in the world at that age and none of them were adjusting to H.A. tactics. They were falling for the same play over and over.
 
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BigGuy

Rookie
Beware of predicting the future of kids. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team. It is a very good prediction because the chances of a kid being as good as Venus or Serena is almost zero. However, there will be someone who takes their place.
I agree that predicting the future is really difficult. But please don't perpetuate the Jordan lie to support the idea. Simply not true.
 

crosbydog

Rookie
Not going to "check my class bias"--I like my class bias! I am going to conintue to root for every kid that had to struggle and fight for everything he has gotten when he plays this guy with his own personal tennis theme park that his parents built him. That's just how I pick who to root for--love the underdog, the guy who doesn't have all the advantages
Ok, flame away.
Totally agree with you. I would only be surprised if someone who had all the advantages he has did not do well. I will cheer for his opponents.
 

WARPWOODIE

Rookie
Interesting article about one of the kids in the B12 final:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324682204578513532678872880

He has a C-VAC!

(apparently TT now bleeps out this word without the hyphen)
Wow, this takes the cake! More power to this family for they have the resources most of us would want. In a practical sense, if you did all the number crunching, their approach maybe a cost effective way to bring up a junior. Think about the cost associated in having to send your kid to an "academy" in/out of state, room/boarding/schooling/food/fuel cost to travel, etc. I know some academies charge anywhere up to $3k month for full time kids which to me is pretty ridiculous. That's an amazing ball machine they are using!
 

Avles

Hall of Fame
In a practical sense, if you did all the number crunching, their approach maybe a cost effective way to bring up a junior. Think about the cost associated in having to send your kid to an "academy" in/out of state, room/boarding/schooling/food/fuel cost to travel, etc.
Plus, they apparently are leasing the facility to their pro who is also using it to teach other people. Presumably they've also upped their property value quite a bit as well.
 
So, I was randomly trawling the Internet, and I came across JS, that kid who was being hyped as a prodigy several years ago. Apparently, he's back to playing tournaments (doing okay but not great), and the parents are back to hyping him.
 

arche3

Banned
Plus, they apparently are leasing the facility to their pro who is also using it to teach other people. Presumably they've also upped their property value quite a bit as well.
On a purely finacial analysis it probably is in fact cheaper to do this. I would assume the cost of the private coach is offset by the lease of the facility. So in the long run it is fiscally sound to do this where they are located.
The c vac machine seems a little indulgent but the rest seems at least reasoned compared to full time academy training.
 
On a purely finacial analysis it probably is in fact cheaper to do this. I would assume the cost of the private coach is offset by the lease of the facility. So in the long run it is fiscally sound to do this where they are located.
The c vac machine seems a little indulgent but the rest seems at least reasoned compared to full time academy training.
Also, from the article:

The Wall Street Journal said:
When Adam was 7, they visited an academy in France that wanted Adam to live there.

"I said no, that's my buddy, he's coming home with me," Adam's father said.
 

arche3

Banned
It would of been impossible for me to let my son leave the house at 7 years old and move to an academy. So I understand completely.
 

Lukhas

Legend
If you are somehow interested to see how juniors train, the stream still actually works. And this, to my great surprise.
 

WARPWOODIE

Rookie
If you are somehow interested to see how juniors train, the stream still actually works. And this, to my great surprise.
From the previous 2 years, this is the longest it has been left on. Hopefully, they (IMG) forget about the off button. :)

But I think that after it is turned off, it remains available, via log-in password, for parents, coaches alike who may have a junior/player training there.
 

WARPWOODIE

Rookie
So, I was randomly trawling the Internet, and I came across JS, that kid who was being hyped as a prodigy several years ago. Apparently, he's back to playing tournaments (doing okay but not great), and the parents are back to hyping him.
Yea, there are some current youtube clips of him.
 
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barringer97

Semi-Pro
This is crazy. Unreal how quickly things turn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/sports/tennis/tornado-alicia-black.html

It hurts just to sit, Black said, never mind take an easy jog, and in recent weeks it became too painful to sleep on her left side.

An operation would solve the issue, but Black said she cannot afford to pay for it. The money she earns from giving tennis lessons is not enough because she is also helping to support her mother and sister, Hurricane Tyra Black, a 16-year-old ranked No. 55 in the juniors.

“I make the bare amount,” Black said last month between lessons. “It’s tough supporting my sister traveling. I’m trying to save money for the hip surgery, trying to help pay the rent. Sometimes it can get really overwhelming for me. I’m only 19.”

Black, who began playing tennis when she was 3, said she prefers to be called Alicia, her original name. Her mother, Gayal Black, has acknowledged that she named her daughters after storms as a marketing gimmick for their presumed stardom.

Her last competitive singles match was a first-round loss in the 2015 U.S. Open qualifying tournament, when the pain in her hip had become excruciating.

At the end of October that year, she had surgery to repair a torn hip labrum.

But in July 2016 her hip blew out again. An M.R.I. was sent to Dr. William C. Meyers, an expert in Philadelphia who diagnosed two sports hernias and recommended surgery.
 

NLBwell

Legend
This is crazy. Unreal how quickly things turn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/sports/tennis/tornado-alicia-black.html

It hurts just to sit, Black said, never mind take an easy jog, and in recent weeks it became too painful to sleep on her left side.

An operation would solve the issue, but Black said she cannot afford to pay for it. The money she earns from giving tennis lessons is not enough because she is also helping to support her mother and sister, Hurricane Tyra Black, a 16-year-old ranked No. 55 in the juniors.

“I make the bare amount,” Black said last month between lessons. “It’s tough supporting my sister traveling. I’m trying to save money for the hip surgery, trying to help pay the rent. Sometimes it can get really overwhelming for me. I’m only 19.”

Black, who began playing tennis when she was 3, said she prefers to be called Alicia, her original name. Her mother, Gayal Black, has acknowledged that she named her daughters after storms as a marketing gimmick for their presumed stardom.

Her last competitive singles match was a first-round loss in the 2015 U.S. Open qualifying tournament, when the pain in her hip had become excruciating.

At the end of October that year, she had surgery to repair a torn hip labrum.

But in July 2016 her hip blew out again. An M.R.I. was sent to Dr. William C. Meyers, an expert in Philadelphia who diagnosed two sports hernias and recommended surgery.
Certainly not the first career to be ended by injury. Even if she had the operation, there is no guarantee that she would ever recover and improve enough to be a moneymaking pro. It is very admirable that she is pouring her money into her sister's training and helping her family. Being a top junior tennis player is a very expensive business. Good luck to her and to her whole family and I hope they are safe.
 

atatu

Legend
Wow, this takes the cake! More power to this family for they have the resources most of us would want. In a practical sense, if you did all the number crunching, their approach maybe a cost effective way to bring up a junior. Think about the cost associated in having to send your kid to an "academy" in/out of state, room/boarding/schooling/food/fuel cost to travel, etc. I know some academies charge anywhere up to $3k month for full time kids which to me is pretty ridiculous. That's an amazing ball machine they are using!
Looks like this kid ended up playing college tennis at SMU, good to know he's still playing tennis.
 

CJ Tennis

Rookie
Looks like this kid ended up playing college tennis at SMU, good to know he's still playing tennis.
Agree, that is good to see. Also Jan Silva who was discussed many times on various forums starting when he was just 5 years old, is also still playing tennis at Sacramento State. He is a very solid 12 UTR player.
 
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