Electrolyte supplementation

tennis3

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Two different solutions for two different problems. Every athlete needs hydration, which electrolyte drinks are designed to address. On occasion match length plus conditions plus perhaps not salt loading BEFORE the match can lead to significant salt depletion. That is fixed with salt tabs or pickle juice as electrolyte drinks are too low in salt content to address effectively.
OK, I'll bite.

1) Explain your salt loading strategy, including amount of salt and how long before.

2) Explain what pickle juice is. Where are you getting it. (There are lots of "pickle juices" out there and they aren't all the same)

3) What is the advantage of pickle juice as compared to other alternatives? In other words, what's in pickle juice that isn't in the others.
 

LuckyR

Legend
OK, I'll bite.

1) Explain your salt loading strategy, including amount of salt and how long before.

2) Explain what pickle juice is. Where are you getting it. (There are lots of "pickle juices" out there and they aren't all the same)

3) What is the advantage of pickle juice as compared to other alternatives? In other words, what's in pickle juice that isn't in the others.
1) First of all, becoming salt depleted in a 2 out of 3 tennis match, is extremely uncommon (whereas becoming dehydrated can happen in one long set in the summer). Perhaps midday timing, in the South, in the summer plus a grueling match that goes three. So it's more about NOT being salt deficient than being salt overloaded (which is technically impossible since you'd just pee out excess salt, assuming you have normal kidney function). I'd snack on pretzels the night before the match, nothing fancy.

2) Since I'm old, "pickle juice" to me means: the left over brine from a jar of pickles, because sports supplements labeled "pickle juice" weren't around back in the day. Naturally there's nothing magical about any of this, it's just a high concentration of salt, in water. My point is, it's way, way more salt than hydration electrolyte drinks.

3) See #2.
 

Redfrogger2

New User
I've been struggling with low blood sugar symptoms when I play. Even when I have a good breakfast.
I've realized it's not low blood sugar but low sodium levels.
I'll race to eat a protein bar and shake and still feel crappy but now I have loads of salt packets in my bag and that's what abates my symptoms within 10 to 20.minutes.
Now I down 2 salt packets before I play and drink a gatorlyt or regular gatorade
 

PURETENNISsense

Professional
Why wouldn't you want fast carbs when exercising and recovering?

My complaint with gatorade is that it doesn't have enough sugar. It's not really a problem. I just add sugar. Or I just make my own with about double the sugar Gatorade uses.
I think for me at least..... It's less about carbs but more about what sugar did inside of me and makes me feel.

This has come through tons of experimentation during practices, matches and such.

I make my own supplement with B vit, salt, potassium, etc... with a little organic pomegranate juice and some sparkling water/regular water.

I cant beat this.... unless I dont have time. Then I grab the Nuun.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
1) First of all, becoming salt depleted in a 2 out of 3 tennis match, is extremely uncommon (whereas becoming dehydrated can happen in one long set in the summer). Perhaps midday timing, in the South, in the summer plus a grueling match that goes three. So it's more about NOT being salt deficient than being salt overloaded (which is technically impossible since you'd just pee out excess salt, assuming you have normal kidney function). I'd snack on pretzels the night before the match, nothing fancy.

2) Since I'm old, "pickle juice" to me means: the left over brine from a jar of pickles, because sports supplements labeled "pickle juice" weren't around back in the day. Naturally there's nothing magical about any of this, it's just a high concentration of salt, in water. My point is, it's way, way more salt than hydration electrolyte drinks.

3) See #2.
That’s why I asked why you don’t just add salt and potassium salt to a sports drink. There’s nothing magical about pickle juice.

As far as getting extra salt before exercise, your body starts removing it immediately if it’s not needed. That’s why it’s tricky to “electrolyte load”
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
I think for me at least..... It's less about carbs but more about what sugar did inside of me and makes me feel.

This has come through tons of experimentation during practices, matches and such.

I make my own supplement with B vit, salt, potassium, etc... with a little organic pomegranate juice and some sparkling water/regular water.

I cant beat this.... unless I dont have time. Then I grab the Nuun.
Whatever works. I love sugar and junk carbs when I’m exercising. Fast energy.

It’s funny to see some guys talk about how bad sugar is, and then suck down those disgusting gel packs or energy bars. For most people, it’s all about the presentation
 
Whatever works. I love sugar and junk carbs when I’m exercising. Fast energy.

It’s funny to see some guys talk about how bad sugar is, and then suck down those disgusting gel packs or energy bars. For most people, it’s all about the presentation
Sugar in the form of cane sugar is far better than sugar in the form of fructose or glucose syrup ime. Idk if that applies to the gel packs/energy bars but just wanted to put that out there.
 
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PURETENNISsense

Professional
It’s funny to see some guys talk about how bad sugar is, and then suck down those disgusting gel packs or energy bars.
Definitely hypocrisy....

I dont mind munching on a singular date throughout an entire match little bites at a time. Nuts, olives, yummy!
 

LuckyR

Legend
That’s why I asked why you don’t just add salt and potassium salt to a sports drink. There’s nothing magical about pickle juice.

As far as getting extra salt before exercise, your body starts removing it immediately if it’s not needed. That’s why it’s tricky to “electrolyte load”
You could make your own "pickle juice" by adding your own salt to a liquid (water or a sports drink), no doubt about it. But your chance of needing it if it isn't Mississippi in August at midday will be remote ESPECIALLY if you had a small bag of pretzels the night before.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
You could make your own "pickle juice" by adding your own salt to a liquid (water or a sports drink), no doubt about it. But your chance of needing it if it isn't Mississippi in August at midday will be remote ESPECIALLY if you had a small bag of pretzels the night before.
But that's what the thread is about. How to get enough electrolytes if that is a problem for you.

As I said, I'm personally not buying the idea of eating pretzels the night before. If you read anything on "electrolyte loading" (especially prevalent in endurance sports like running or triathlon), you'll find that most people don't find it that easy to do. Your body will immediately start expelling the excess.

My only point has been that if you need electrolytes while playing (because of cramping), it's simply a matter of adding a small amount of salt (and possibly potassium salt) to your drink. Nothing fancy is needed.

The sugar part of all this discussion has nothing to do with electrolytes. If you don't like sugar for energy, do eat it. But most expensive "energy" products are just cleverly marketed (and really expensive) sugar.
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All that aside, most rec athletes cramp more due to lack of fitness. And no magic potion will fix that.
 

LuckyR

Legend
But that's what the thread is about. How to get enough electrolytes if that is a problem for you.

As I said, I'm personally not buying the idea of eating pretzels the night before. If you read anything on "electrolyte loading" (especially prevalent in endurance sports like running or triathlon), you'll find that most people don't find it that easy to do. Your body will immediately start expelling the excess.

My only point has been that if you need electrolytes while playing (because of cramping), it's simply a matter of adding a small amount of salt (and possibly potassium salt) to your drink. Nothing fancy is needed.

The sugar part of all this discussion has nothing to do with electrolytes. If you don't like sugar for energy, do eat it. But most expensive "energy" products are just cleverly marketed (and really expensive) sugar.
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All that aside, most rec athletes cramp more due to lack of fitness. And no magic potion will fix that.
Perhaps the word "load" is misleading. I mean avoiding being sodium down (by being sodium "normal"), not being sodium high. You're correct, of course if you try to be sodium "high" you'll just pi55 out the excess.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Is this something I should be doing? I often find myself with an irresistible craving to drink soy sauce after I make a serious effort to hydrate with water so I'm wondering if that is what I am trying (clumsily) to do.
I use a product called Lyteshow. Works great.
 
I've also been bitten by a yellow jacket, on my finger when my hand was behind me, it was the weirdest thing. I used to hate them but then one day was reflecting they don't get mega obnoxious about human food until late in the summer/early fall when they know they're about to die from cold weather so I started feeling some sympathy for them.
 
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Bud

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I've also been bitten by a yellow jacket, on my finger when my hand was behind me, it was the weirdest thing. I used to hate them but then one day was reflecting they don't get mega obnoxious about human food until late in the summer/early fall when they know they're about to die from cold weather so I started feeling some sympathy for them.
When i used to buy chicken teriyaki bowls from Rice King, I'd sit at the park and eat. Every time, a yellow jacket would land on the chicken and start eating it. I never knew they were carnivores.
 

MaverickTennis

New User
Because those types of sugars spike your glucose abnormally and what goes spiking up must coming crashing down. Same goes for all the sugary drinks that were previously mentioned. Carb loading can do the same.

Sorry for bumping an old thread but I was looking for the same thing. Think I'll try the Liquid IV for the vitamins, but will stick to Dr Bergs electrolytes. It's far more potent if you compare ingredients, except the "salt". In addition, it has a variety of pink salt which is known to be superior. The LMNT does have a ton more "sodium" and a better Magnesium for daily use, but the citrite version Berg has does absorb quicker and the LMNT doesn't say where the sodium is derived from.
Just to add, I'm a keto carnivore, but beef jerky or any red meat will provide tons of vitamins and protein post workout. Avacados are extremely high in potassium and ready to eat. Almost double K than bananas.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
Because those types of sugars spike your glucose abnormally and what goes spiking up must coming crashing down. Same goes for all the sugary drinks that were previously mentioned. Carb loading can do the same.

Are certain types of sugars healthier than others?​

October 20, 2023By Harvard Health Publishing Staff
  • Reviewed by Howard E. LeWine, MD, Chief Medical Editor, Harvard Health Publishing; Editorial Advisory Board Member, Harvard Health Publishing

Most people consume many different types of sugars from a variety of foods and beverages in their diet. A high intake of sugar is linked to an increased risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and certain cancers. But whether some sugars are healthier (or worse) than others remains a question of interest to many.

Sugar basics​

Sugar provides energy that our cells need to survive. Sugar is a type of carbohydrate, a macronutrient that provides energy (in the form of calories) from foods and beverages we consume. Carbohydrates are classified into two subtypes of sugar: monosaccharides, or "simple sugars" (consisting of one molecule),` and disaccharides (two molecules). The monosaccharides include glucose, fructose, and galactose. The major disaccharides include sucrose (one glucose molecule and one fructose molecule), lactose (one glucose molecule and one galactose molecule), and maltose (two glucose molecules).
Fructose, glucose, and sucrose are found naturally in fruit and some vegetables, while lactose is found in dairy and maltose is found in germinating grains. Fructose and glucose are also found naturally in honey, as well as in common table sugar.

Added versus natural sugars​

An increasingly important distinction among sugars as they pertain to health is whether they occur naturally in foods such as fruit, vegetables, and dairy, or whether they are added sugars (added to foods and beverages during manufacturing, processing, or preparation).

Sugary beverages are the greatest source of added sugar in the diet, followed by sweets and grains such as ready-to-eat cereals. Intake of added sugar, particularly from beverages, has been associated with weight gain and higher risk of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

Natural and added sugars are metabolized the same way in our bodies. But for most people, consuming natural sugars in foods such as fruit is not linked to negative health effects, since the amount of sugar tends to be modest and is "packaged" with fiber and other healthful nutrients. On the other hand, our bodies do not need, or benefit from, eating added sugar.

Are all added sugars created equal?​

Added sugars come from a variety of sources and go by many different names, yet they are all a source of extra calories and are metabolized by the body the same way. A common misconception exists that some added sugars such as high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) are unhealthy, while others such as agave nectar (from the succulent plant) are healthy.
The reality is that most added sugars are composed of glucose and fructose in varying ratios. For example, sucrose (common table sugar) is 50% glucose and 50% fructose; the most common form of HFCS (which is produced from corn starch through industrial processing) contains 45% glucose and 55% fructose; and some types of agave nectar contain up to 90% fructose and 10% glucose.
Whether an added sugar contains more or less fructose versus glucose has little impact on health. Some types of added sugar — honey, for example — may also contain micronutrients or other bioactive compounds. But these properties have little benefit when it comes to metabolic health.

In short, it's best to limit all sources of added sugar to within the recommended intake level. For most people, one type of sugar isn't better than another.
 

MaverickTennis

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Are certain types of sugars healthier than others?​

October 20, 2023By Harvard Health Publishing Staff
  • Reviewed by Howard E. LeWine, MD, Chief Medical Editor, Harvard Health Publishing; Editorial Advisory Board Member, Harvard Health Publishing

Most people consume many different types of sugars from a variety of foods and beverages in their diet. A high intake of sugar is linked to an increased risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and certain cancers. But whether some sugars are healthier (or worse) than others remains a question of interest to many.

Sugar basics​

Sugar provides energy that our cells need to survive. Sugar is a type of carbohydrate, a macronutrient that provides energy (in the form of calories) from foods and beverages we consume. Carbohydrates are classified into two subtypes of sugar: monosaccharides, or "simple sugars" (consisting of one molecule),` and disaccharides (two molecules). The monosaccharides include glucose, fructose, and galactose. The major disaccharides include sucrose (one glucose molecule and one fructose molecule), lactose (one glucose molecule and one galactose molecule), and maltose (two glucose molecules).
Fructose, glucose, and sucrose are found naturally in fruit and some vegetables, while lactose is found in dairy and maltose is found in germinating grains. Fructose and glucose are also found naturally in honey, as well as in common table sugar.

Added versus natural sugars​

An increasingly important distinction among sugars as they pertain to health is whether they occur naturally in foods such as fruit, vegetables, and dairy, or whether they are added sugars (added to foods and beverages during manufacturing, processing, or preparation).

Sugary beverages are the greatest source of added sugar in the diet, followed by sweets and grains such as ready-to-eat cereals. Intake of added sugar, particularly from beverages, has been associated with weight gain and higher risk of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

Natural and added sugars are metabolized the same way in our bodies. But for most people, consuming natural sugars in foods such as fruit is not linked to negative health effects, since the amount of sugar tends to be modest and is "packaged" with fiber and other healthful nutrients. On the other hand, our bodies do not need, or benefit from, eating added sugar.

Are all added sugars created equal?​

Added sugars come from a variety of sources and go by many different names, yet they are all a source of extra calories and are metabolized by the body the same way. A common misconception exists that some added sugars such as high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) are unhealthy, while others such as agave nectar (from the succulent plant) are healthy.
The reality is that most added sugars are composed of glucose and fructose in varying ratios. For example, sucrose (common table sugar) is 50% glucose and 50% fructose; the most common form of HFCS (which is produced from corn starch through industrial processing) contains 45% glucose and 55% fructose; and some types of agave nectar contain up to 90% fructose and 10% glucose.
Whether an added sugar contains more or less fructose versus glucose has little impact on health. Some types of added sugar — honey, for example — may also contain micronutrients or other bioactive compounds. But these properties have little benefit when it comes to metabolic health.

In short, it's best to limit all sources of added sugar to within the recommended intake level. For most people, one type of sugar isn't better than another.
You forgot to bold the bit above about consuming natural sugar in smaller doses, especially when combined with fiber. HFCS is always in high doses, contains more fructose minus the fiber.
There is also contribution to other diseases in the gut:

No matter which you prefer, neither are considered healthy and should be moderated. I prefer to mix my own dosage rather than ingest a premixed solution. Stevia......
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
Sugar in the form of cane sugar is far better than sugar in the form of fructose or glucose syrup ime. Idk if that applies to the gel packs/energy bars but just wanted to put that out there.

Because those types of sugars spike your glucose abnormally and what goes spiking up must coming crashing down. Same goes for all the sugary drinks that were previously mentioned.
You forgot to bold the bit above about consuming natural sugar in smaller doses,

I only posted what I did in response to your first assertion. I really have no interest in people's beliefs normally, so I guess I shouldn't have said anything. I just thought you might be interested. Lesson learned.

It's never wise to engage with someone that wants to win arguments. So let's just agree that you win and we can each go our way.
 
I only posted what I did in response to your first assertion. I really have no interest in people's beliefs normally, so I guess I shouldn't have said anything. I just thought you might be interested. Lesson learned.

It's never wise to engage with someone that wants to win arguments. So let's just agree that you win and we can each go our way.
You are responding to two different people, who is that addressed at? I know for sure that cane sugar hurts less to eat than HFCS because I've had the ability to live in a food supply system with each for long enough but I can definitely agree a lot of sugar is not good in any form.
 
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