Emma Is The Most Marketable Player In History.

R. Schweikart

Professional
I suggest you look up Venus Williams in her prime!
In her short prime Venus was extremely good on fast courts.
Was often was clobbered brutally on slower courts.

Emma will end her career after the same heights as Navratilova or Serena. Maybe even as Steffi.
 

Mark-Touch

Hall of Fame
You realize this thread is about marketability, don't you? Like I said, if Radu were tall that would be all she wrote! She would be considered almost universally beautiful vs just cute and attractive.

And a player can be tall and move well. Venus, one of the best movers in women's tennis history, is tall and certainly was tall in her prime!
Venus is and always was an awkward mover.
 

dtl_lover

Rookie
I hear ya.
But how many of those languages are completely different?
Like say, Chinese, English, Romanian, etc.?
they are fairly different(only Tamil & Malayalam have some slight similarities)...even their scripts are mostly different except for some slight overlap here and there..South India is unique in the sense that each of the 4 states have their own language and there aren't many similarities between the languages. If you go to smaller cities, towns & villages in any of these Southern states, majority of these people speak only their local language. Hindi, which is the most widely spoken language in North India is barely understood by people living in small cities, towns, villages in South India. There is also much stronger regional feeling in South India than North...lot of people in South hate it when the Central government tries to impose Hindi on them but this is a whole another topic.
 

dtl_lover

Rookie
I think Raducanu is much more closer to Sharapova in terms of how much she is interested about business aspect of sport...based on her interviews, she is very interested in finance and also business aspect of sports

Look at this video...how often you'll find a 17 year old mention Tom Keene of Bloomberg as one of the 3 persons that they would want to meet lol?

Just hope that she doesn't let the media hype get to her. British media has already become insanely obsessed with her
 

liriel

Semi-Pro
Agree that if she was blonde she'd be even more popular.
She's set for life as an influencer. Unless she grows out of her cute and sweet look. She'll always have to be smiling and nice. Maybe she's like that in real life. Everyone is promoting something. She's become a huge brand without the achievement.
Having said that I have no idea how she'll handle the pressure and how great of a tennis player she'll be. What if she loses early next?
There's so much interest in her. To be honest it's quite strange to see that she has as many followers as established players.
I wish her well but knowing ATP and seeing how she's everywhere... I was tired of the USO promo of other players and now now I have to add a 18 year old who didn't even beat major players to the list.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
There is also much stronger regional feeling in South India than North...lot of people in South hate it when the Central government tries to impose Hindi on them but this is a whole another topic.
There are thousands of free public tennis courts in America. But none in Bangalore or probably the entire country of India. We asked why and were told that the nets will be stolen and courts will be vandalized. Can only play on private paid courts.
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
I think Raducanu is much more closer to Sharapova in terms of how much she is interested about business aspect of sport...based on her interviews, she is very interested in finance and also business aspect of sports

Look at this video...how often you'll find a 17 year old mention Tom Keene of Bloomberg as one of the 3 persons that they would want to meet lol?

Just hope that she doesn't let the media hype get to her. British media has already become insanely obsessed with her
Emma's parents both work in the financial sector.
So she may be interested in financial matters.
But that has nothing to do whether her main goal is to win tennis tournaments like Navratilova, Steffi, Serena or to make as much money as possible like Kournikova, Sharapova, Osaka.
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Agree that if she was blonde she'd be even more popular.
She's set for life as an influencer. Unless she grows out of her cute and sweet look. She'll always have to be smiling and nice. ....
Women don't lose their smile when they grow older. Enna will always have this lovely smile, even at 50.
Was the same with Steffi whose teenage smile captured the hearts of millions of tennis fans in the late 80s. She has the same smile today (and legs of course!).

And I don't think Emma will become a woke money girl; for her playing good tennis and winning titles will be paramount.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Smile won't help her unless she dominates the tour.
If he goes on to win 15-20 slams then sure she can cross Sugarpova as the Money GOAT among the ladies.

Nobody can beat Federer though, Federer till then will be a multi billionaire in Tennis.
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Federer and Sugarpova are the GOATs in terms of marketability.

Nobody comes close, not even Emma.


I don't believe that.
Yes, I have seen many ads and commercials with Roger Federer.
But Sharapova?
I don't remember even one. Where and with whom did she make these alleged tons of money?
 

Sunny014

Legend
I don't belive that.
Yes, I have seen many ads and commercials with Roger Federer.
But Sharapova?
I don't remember even one. Where and with whom did she make these alleged tons of money?


Globally Highest Paid Female Sportspersons every year since 1990

1990 Steffi Graf
1991 Monica Seles
1992 Monica Seles
1993 Stefi Graf
1994 Steffi Graf
1995 Steffi Graf
1996 Steffi Graf
1997 Martina Hingis
1998 Martina Hingis
1999 Martina Hingis
2000 Martina Hingis
2001 Martina Hingis
2002 Venus Williams
2003 Venus Williams
2004 Serena Williams

2005 Maria Sugarpova
2006 Maria Sugarpova
2007 Maria Sugarpova
2008 Maria Sugarpova
2009 Maria Sugarpova
2010 Maria Sugarpova
2011 Maria Sugarpova
2012 Maria Sugarpova
2013 Maria Sugarpova
2014 Maria Sugarpova
2015 Maria Sugarpova

2016 Serena Williams
2017 Serena Williams
2018 Serena Williams
2019 Serena Williams
2020 Naomi Osaka
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Smile won't help her unless she dominates the tour.
If he goes on to win 15-20 slams then sure she can cross Sugarpova as the Money GOAT among the ladies.

Nobody can beat Federer though, Federer till then will be a multi billionaire in Tennis.

Raducanu is the first player post-Steffi where I immediately thought that this girl can win 10plus slams.
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Globally Highest Paid Female Sportspersons every year since 1990

1990 Steffi Graf
1991 Monica Seles
1992 Monica Seles
1993 Stefi Graf
1994 Steffi Graf
1995 Steffi Graf
1996 Steffi Graf
1997 Martina Hingis
1998 Martina Hingis
1999 Martina Hingis
2000 Martina Hingis
2001 Martina Hingis
2002 Venus Williams
2003 Venus Williams
2004 Serena Williams

2005 Maria Sugarpova
2006 Maria Sugarpova
2007 Maria Sugarpova
2008 Maria Sugarpova
2009 Maria Sugarpova
2010 Maria Sugarpova
2011 Maria Sugarpova
2012 Maria Sugarpova
2013 Maria Sugarpova
2014 Maria Sugarpova
2015 Maria Sugarpova

2016 Serena Williams
2017 Serena Williams
2018 Serena Williams
2019 Serena Williams
2020 Naomi Osaka
Yes, I believe that mostly (except 1991/92).
 

Sunny014

Legend
Yes, I believe that mostly (except 1991/92).
Believe it Scheweikart, Seles was even ahead of men in that period, your Steffi was inferior to her.



The list was published by Forbes in August 1991. Earnings totals include salaries, bonuses, prize money, endorsements and appearance fees. See also the top earning lists from other years.

NameSportNationalityearnings ($ million)previous year
1.Evander HolyfieldboxingUSA60.5=8
2.Mike TysonboxingUSA31.51
3.Michael JordanbasketballUSA16.0=8
4.George ForemanboxingUSA14.5>30
5.Ayrton Sennaauto racingBrazil13.04
6.Alain Prostauto racingFrance11.05
7.Donovan "Razor" RuddockboxingCanada10.2>30
8.Arnold PalmergolfUSA9.3=8
9.Nigel Mansellauto racingUK9.012
10.Sugar Ray LeonardgolfUSA8.56
next on the list were: Larry Bird, Monica Seles, Joe Montana, Stefan Edberg, Greg Norman, Steffi Graf, Andre Agassi, Boris Becker, Wayne Gretzky, and Gerhard Berger.
1992



NameSportNationalityearnings ($ million)previous year
1.Michael JordanBasketballUSA35.93
2.Evander HolyfieldBoxingUSA28.01
3.Ayrton SennaAuto RacingBrazil22.05
4.Nigel MansellAuto RacingUK14.59
5.Arnold PalmerGolfUSA11.18
6.Andre AgassiTennisUSA11.017
7.Joe MontanaNFLUSA9.513
8.Sugar Ray LeonardGolfUSA9.210
9.Jim CourierTennisUSA9.0>40
10.Monica SelesTennisUSA8.512
 

Sunny014

Legend
Seles was even ahead of males in 91-92, such heights were never reached by Steffi.
Steffi was always behind Agassi and Peter in the 90s in earnings.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
In her short prime Venus was extremely good on fast courts.
Was often was clobbered brutally on slower courts.

Emma will end her career after the same heights as Navratilova or Serena. Maybe even as Steffi.
My post was not about Venus' success on whatever surface, it was about her movement, which was some of the fastest most explosive in history!

Oh and peak Venus > Graf!

and for someone you claimed that got brutally clobbered on slower surfaces, Venus beat Graf on clay and Henin!
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Believe it Scheweikart, Seles was even ahead of men in that period, your Steffi was inferior to her.



The list was published by Forbes in August 1991. Earnings totals include salaries, bonuses, prize money, endorsements and appearance fees. See also the top earning lists from other years.

NameSportNationalityearnings ($ million)previous year
1.Evander HolyfieldboxingUSA60.5=8
2.Mike TysonboxingUSA31.51
3.Michael JordanbasketballUSA16.0=8
4.George ForemanboxingUSA14.5>30
5.Ayrton Sennaauto racingBrazil13.04
6.Alain Prostauto racingFrance11.05
7.Donovan "Razor" RuddockboxingCanada10.2>30
8.Arnold PalmergolfUSA9.3=8
9.Nigel Mansellauto racingUK9.012
10.Sugar Ray LeonardgolfUSA8.56


1992



NameSportNationalityearnings ($ million)previous year
1.Michael JordanBasketballUSA35.93
2.Evander HolyfieldBoxingUSA28.01
3.Ayrton SennaAuto RacingBrazil22.05
4.Nigel MansellAuto RacingUK14.59
5.Arnold PalmerGolfUSA11.18
6.Andre AgassiTennisUSA11.017
7.Joe MontanaNFLUSA9.513
8.Sugar Ray LeonardGolfUSA9.210
9.Jim CourierTennisUSA9.0>40
10.Monica SelesTennisUSA8.512
My gosh how Boxing has fallen!
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
I think Raducanu is much more closer to Sharapova in terms of how much she is interested about business aspect of sport...based on her interviews, she is very interested in finance and also business aspect of sports

Look at this video...how often you'll find a 17 year old mention Tom Keene of Bloomberg as one of the 3 persons that they would want to meet lol?

Just hope that she doesn't let the media hype get to her. British media has already become insanely obsessed with her
She was right on with Gemma Chang! That woman is beautiful!
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Believe it Scheweikart, Seles was even ahead of men in that period, your Steffi was inferior to her.



The list was published by Forbes in August 1991. Earnings totals include salaries, bonuses, prize money, endorsements and appearance fees. See also the top earning lists from other years.

NameSportNationalityearnings ($ million)previous year
1.Evander HolyfieldboxingUSA60.5=8
2.Mike TysonboxingUSA31.51
3.Michael JordanbasketballUSA16.0=8
4.George ForemanboxingUSA14.5>30
5.Ayrton Sennaauto racingBrazil13.04
6.Alain Prostauto racingFrance11.05
7.Donovan "Razor" RuddockboxingCanada10.2>30
8.Arnold PalmergolfUSA9.3=8
9.Nigel Mansellauto racingUK9.012
10.Sugar Ray LeonardgolfUSA8.56


1992



NameSportNationalityearnings ($ million)previous year
1.Michael JordanBasketballUSA35.93
2.Evander HolyfieldBoxingUSA28.01
3.Ayrton SennaAuto RacingBrazil22.05
4.Nigel MansellAuto RacingUK14.59
5.Arnold PalmerGolfUSA11.18
6.Andre AgassiTennisUSA11.017
7.Joe MontanaNFLUSA9.513
8.Sugar Ray LeonardGolfUSA9.210
9.Jim CourierTennisUSA9.0>40
10.Monica SelesTennisUSA8.512

What you don't understand is that Seles was an IMG client.
They had means to "convince" US media that their clients made the most money.

I don't think that US media had any inside knowledge how much money Steffi made. Heck, even the taxman didn't know it then .... :-D :-D
 

Sunny014

Legend
you mean no male tennis player comes close.

there have been a few male athletes reaching 1 billion in net worth before Federer got there!
I meant that In Tennis Federer is the Male GOAT of Brand Value and Popularity by far

Worldwide across all sports obv Federerer is not supreme, there are greater brands.

Michael Jordan is the Ultimate GOAT of all the GOATs worldwide, Tiger Woods comes after him.
 

Sunny014

Legend
What you don't understand is that Seles was an IMG client.
They had means to "convince" US media that their clients made the most money.

I don't think that US media had any inside knowledge how much money Steffi made. Heck, even the taxman didn't know it then .... :-D :-D
U r silly, no cure to your fanaticism.
 

PrinceMoron

Legend
My PT tells me someone on her management team is a member at my club, only took on the role 2 months ago. Will find out more
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Oh, in Hanover, but that was on carpet back then...

anyway Steffi got her azz beat by Venus! If they had played on clay, i'm sure Venus would have held her own. Venus did beat Henin on clay!
Oh, carpet and not clay.... :-D
Steffi leads the H2H against Venus, handed her her ass in the 99 Wimbledon quarters. Just a fews week before her retirement. Only after Steffi's retirement Venus began to rule in Wimbledon.

Beating Henin on clay in 2002? When Henin was still maturing and had 21 (!) losses that year?
Steffi must have been shaking in her boots at the thought of having had to play against clay monster Venus.... :-D:-D

Steffi is 274-31 win/loss on clay. By far the best winning percentage on that surface of the last 40 years.
She had many of her losses as a 13/15-year-old kid. After turning 16 her clay record is an insane 250-19.
250-19!

She would have steamrolled Venus.
 

Mark-Touch

Hall of Fame
U.S. Open champion. Will appeal to Canada as she was born in Toronto. Already a legend in her adopted England. She speaks Mandarin. So add another billion fanatical followers in China. Also speaks Romanian.

Her global appeal is unprecedented.

This is your new role model.
I can't even remember who your previous avatar was?
Who did you just ditch?
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
I suggest you look up Venus Williams in her prime!
That's one player. As opposed to Vika, Masha, Petra and so many others who simply lack the mobility of 5 9" players. And 5 9" doesn't make Emma small. Actually women's tennis has been dominated by shortish players in recent times so she looks tallish next to Barty.
 
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Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
I hear ya.
But how many of those languages are completely different?
Like say, Chinese, English, Romanian, etc.?
Well, for example, I as a Tamilian simply cannot understand Telugu or Kannada. And if I hadn't grown up in Mumbai, I wouldn't understand a word of Hindi. Basically there are almost zero loan words between these languages. And then, the medium of instruction in many schools is English. So we end up learning that too, which is, once again, nothing like any Indian language.

This is reaching back into history but India was just a loose collection of kingdoms before the British made a nation-state out of it. So it's not a surprise that India has tremendous diversity, particularly linguistic diversity.
 

-NN-

G.O.A.T.
That's one player. As opposed to Vika, Masha, Petra and so many others who simply lack the mobility of 5 9" players. And 5 9" doesn't make Emma small. Actually women's tennis has been dominated by shortish players in recent times so she looks tallish next to Barty or Osaka.
Osaka is quite tall, taller than Radu anyway. No Sharapova, of course.
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
Well, for example, I as a Tamilian simply cannot understand Telugu or Kannada. And if I hadn't grown up in Mumbai, I wouldn't understand a word of Hindi. Basically there are almost zero loan words between these languages. And then, the medium of instruction in many schools is English. So we end up learning that too, which is, once again, nothing like any Indian language.

This is reaching back into history but India was just a loose collection of kingdoms before the British made a nation-state out of it. So it's not a surprise that India has tremendous diversity, particularly linguistic diversity.
Agree with most of it but the part in bold. The idea of India as a kingdom was already seeded by the Magadha empire centuries before the British even began knowing the existence of this part of the world. Even before that you can see the idea of Bharatavarsha in many ancient texts - usually spanning the expanse from present day Afghanistan to places as far as Burma. Besides, the British didn't do much to halt severing of Afghanistan and later Pakistan. Thanks to the likes of Patel, some of the other kingdoms like Travancore, Hyderabad etc agreed to be part of India after much cajoling.

As far as @Mark-Touch 's point goes - the languages are vastly different. The scripts change too, so anyone who is multilingual is truly learning very different languages.
 

Mark-Touch

Hall of Fame
That's one player. As opposed to Vika, Masha, Petra and so many others who simply lack the mobility of 5 9" players. And 5 9" doesn't make Emma small. Actually women's tennis has been dominated by shortish players in recent times so she looks tallish next to Barty or Osaka.
Last time I checked Osaka was 5'11", has she shrunk?
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Oh, carpet and not clay.... :-D
Steffi leads the H2H against Venus, handed her her ass in the 99 Wimbledon quarters. Just a fews week before her retirement. Only after Steffi's retirement Venus began to rule in Wimbledon.

Beating Henin on clay in 2002? When Henin was still maturing and had 21 (!) losses that year?
Steffi must have been shaking in her boots at the thought of having had to play against clay monster Venus.... :-D:-D

Steffi is 274-31 win/loss on clay. By far the best winning percentage on that surface of the last 40 years.
She had many of her losses as a 13/15-year-old kid. After turning 16 her clay record is an insane 250-19.
250-19!

She would have steamrolled Venus.
You realize you're counting a win Graf had against Venus when she was like 15 in order for her to lead H2H.

Again, peak Venus overwhelmes peak Graf on everything besides maybe slow red clay. Her power and explosiveness and athleticism was second to none!
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
I know. There was just a lot of amusing anxiety in the other thread where Canadians were trying to claim Emma as "theirs". That because she can speak Mandarin, Chinese will buy her out from LTA. Woah, woah, hold your horses guys.
Does she hold Chinese or Rumanian citizenship? Does she carry a Chinese or Rumanian passport? No? It is interesting that she still carries a Canadian passport.
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
Does she hold Chinese or Rumanian citizenship? Does she carry a Chinese or Rumanian passport? No? It is interesting that she still carries a Canadian passport.
Well, being that she was born in Canada, I guess she was automatically entitled to Canadian citizenship? And British citizenship by naturalization. OTOH her parents had already left Romania/China so it's not surprising that she doesn't hold citizenship of those countries.
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
Does she hold Chinese or Rumanian citizenship? Does she carry a Chinese or Rumanian passport? No? It is interesting that she still carries a Canadian passport.
It's not particularly "interesting".

Presumably, she would have travelled on her parents' passports until very recently.

Passports aren't a statement of national identity.
 
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