Emma Raducanu stalked by crazed fan during her 2R match in Dubai

How do we know he's a perv stalker and not someone trying to get an autograph or selfie to resell?

Should we label someone a stalker because they like to see her game, her winning tournaments, her top 10 results, her top 10 ranking... oh wait, he's gotta be a stalker.
 
a10best said:
How do we know he's a perv stalker and not someone trying to get an autograph or selfie to resell?

Should we label someone a stalker because they like to see her game, her winning tournaments, her top 10 results, her top 10 ranking... oh wait, he's gotta be a stalker.
Click to expand...
Because he’s a stalker just like oj was a double murderer.
 
messiahrobins said:
I am no fan of Radacanu at all, and she always seems to me to be an attention seeker and my first thought is that this is just a fuss over nothing, which is based on the assumption that every court at a tennis event has security to protect the players, which is the case at events i have been to.
Qatar of course is a muslim country. I have never been to the event there, but there was much talk how in Saudi Arabia, another muslim country, the womens event there had so fans at all present and as a result little to no security present due to the almost non-existent crowds. There was much anger amongst the women's tour that the event in Saudi Arabia was treated like a second class event.
So, the question i have for anyone who has attended Qatar, is how is the treatment of the women compared to the men? Is there an adequate security presence for the ladies? If not, then it is sickening disgraceful and if the women are treated as inferior to the men then by not being given the same protections then Qatar and Saudi arabia should be banned from hosting sporting events as clearly it is totally unacceptable if a female player, in this case, Radacanu is fearing for her life while going about her job. That will clearly now affect Radacanu moving forward obviously, she is a young girl who has some nutjob stalking her and who seems able to get close to her in Qatar and she will now be worried everywhere she goes. Totally unacceptable.
This is a big deal really and answers are required. And urgently.
Click to expand...
You don't even know that that Dubai and Qatar are not the same?
 
So, from what I could understand the guy tried to approach Raducanu, and than was spotted in the crawd watching her match? If so the guy is DISGUSTING, he is horrible, aw aw brrrr jail for all!
 
Windsor2 said:
So, from what I could understand the guy tried to approach Raducanu, and than was spotted in the crawd watching her match? If so the guy is DISGUSTING, he is horrible, aw aw brrrr jail for all!
Click to expand...
Silly me, but I will trust her judgment and veracity on this.
 
reaper said:
By stalkers....the offence is stalking not being male.
Click to expand...

Males often stalk women, and your defense of men in this regard says your pro-male propaganda means more than the safety of women.

PedrosCousin said:
Do you really not see the similarity of what he said to what you said? "Incredibly scary times for the women on tour by men." You did the exact same kind of generalizing.
Click to expand...

..and the majority of stalking cases have which gender as the dominant offender?

Women in pro sports need real, armed security present. Anyone who would feel "offended" by that would cast the light of suspicion on themselves.
 
That’s stalking for you. They’re obsessed in the most literal sense and will do whatever they can to be seen and acknowledged by their victim. It’s a mental illness.
 
Again it's not clear to me what's the crime. I suppose anyone who is a fan of a player trys to get near for a photo or autograph ecc ecc and watch her/his matches. From what I can gather the guy tried to approach Raducanu once? and than was spotted watching her match? That's all? Did he harass, insult ecc ecc? I repeat the question: what exactly did this guy do?
 
Windsor2 said:
Again it's not clear to me what's the crime. I suppose anyone who is a fan of a player trys to get near for a photo or autograph ecc ecc and watch her/his matches. From what I can gather the guy tried to approach Raducanu once? and than was spotted watching her match? That's all? Did he harass, insult ecc ecc? I repeat the question: what exactly did this guy do?
Click to expand...
He stalked her and followed her to her hotel to give her a letter. I don’t know what behaviour you think is ok but if I’m a fan of a celebrity I don’t find out what hotel they’re staying at and then follow them there to hunt them down to give them a letter. Also she’s a young 22 year old woman who’s already had other men stalk her and had restraining orders put in place for her safety.

Maybe you think that’s normal, but it’s not. This went far beyond just attending a match.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
He stalked her and followed her to her hotel to give her a letter. I don’t know what behaviour you think is ok but if I’m a fan of a celebrity I don’t find out what hotel they’re staying at and then follow them there to hunt them down to give them a letter. Also she’s a young 22 year old woman who’s already had other men stalk her and had restraining orders put in place for her safety.

Maybe you think that’s normal, but it’s not. This went far beyond just attending a match.
Click to expand...
Humm tried to give her a letter.. I don't think it's totally normal behavior , but I don't think it's lethal injection worthy either.
 
Windsor2 said:
Humm tried to give her a letter.. I don't think it's totally normal behavior , but I don't think it's lethal injection worthy either.
Click to expand...
Did someone here say he deserves the death penalty? No.

But you don’t follow and stalk a young woman at a hotel. Or do you think that’s normal?

Would you want your daughter or sister who’s only 22 and just trying to stay at hotel being stalked by a stranger?
 
Windsor2 said:
Humm tried to give her a letter.. I don't think it's totally normal behavior , but I don't think it's lethal injection worthy either.
Click to expand...
I don't know if you're trolling or not, but here's a question for you.

Although only 22, Emma has been on tour for roughly 4 years -- yes, on and off. She impresses me as remarkably poised and mature.

Yes, we don't have video of the meeting/confrontation, or the contents of the letter. Why do you think she was so upset when she saw/heard him at her match?
 
Windsor2 said:
Again weird guy, likely, maybe a bit of a crazy fan, but I wouldn't make a tragedy out of this.
Click to expand...
Jesus, nobody is making a tragedy out of this but the way you’re defending this is insane to me. You don’t ****ing stalk a 22 year old woman to her hotel where she’s staying to give her a letter. Do you understand that? This wasn’t at a tournament, it wasn’t in front of people, this was at a private location she was staying and should feel safe.

Do you think that’s normal? Stop defending this. Would you want that to happen to a young woman in your life?
 
sureshs said:
@norcal
Click to expand...
Why am I being tagged here?

First I'm tagged in the Norcal cheating scandal, now this.

Is this what my reputation has come to, a cheating stalker type?

@sureshs , if you continue with these character assinations, I will come to San Diego, find out where you live and...err, um, nevermind!

Seriously though, what a terrible situation for Emma. It was very touching how Muchova comforted her.
 
RaulRamirez said:
I don't know if you're trolling or not, but here's a question for you.

Although only 22, Emma has been on tour for roughly 4 years -- yes, on and off. She impresses me as remarkably poised and mature.

Yes, we don't have video of the meeting/confrontation, or the contents of the letter. Why do you think she was so upset when she saw/heard him at her match?
Click to expand...
I have no idea but to incriminate someone I would still want to know what harm did he produce to someone or something. As far as I know giving, or try to give, a letter to a famous person it's a completely ridiculous allegation.
 
Question for anyone questioning her or defending the stalker scumbag: did you also defend Chris Watts OJ or Gabby Petito‘s boyfriend? And these are three murdered women who actually knew and were married to their murderers.
 
Airspun said:
There are plenty of people here at minimizing Emma’s concern and distress and trying to ask why she was so upset and what did he do exactly.
Click to expand...
I dont think anyone is defending this guys, I sure hope not.

I think you are referring to the questions on what he did specifically, which the OP does not mention. Fixation? Kind of a vague. Posters just wanted more info, as there obviously was more than just staring.

As far as minimizing concerns, I have not seen too much of that, but it is very hard to stop a stalker without a crime being done, so stalkers are harmless right up until they kill someone or harm someone. They are always a danger.
 
Lleytonstation said:
I dont think anyone is defending this guys, I sure hope not.

I think you are referring to the questions on what he did specifically, which the OP does not mention. Fixation? Kind of a vague. Posters just wanted more info, as there obviously was more than just staring.

As far as minimizing concerns, I have not seen too much of that, but it is very hard to stop a stalker without a crime being done, so stalkers are harmless right up until they kill someone or harm someone. They are always a danger.
Click to expand...
Love that I’m being blamed for not outlining in the original post when information was new. We’ve explained to Windsor multiple times that this guy stalked Emma to her hotel and he has defended it and refuses to call him a stalker and just says he was a fan wanting to give her a letter. Perhaps you should have a read of what Windsor has said instead of discussing what I didn’t mention in my OP when the facts were still coming out.
 
jimdontcare said:
He said "by men" and you felt the need to say the crime is not being male.

If it's not twisting it's at least an unhealthy level of hypersensitivity.

And regardless, yes we as 21st century humans speak about gender and race differently and that's fine, if you feel like you can conflate a comment about two stalkers and an abusive coach with Islamophobia that's a you problem. I'm sure you'll come to women's defense with the same ferocity next time a generalization is made about them on this forum.
Click to expand...
Wait sorry I don't really follow...I thought all he was doing was use another example to highlight that specifying the characteristic of the actor (in his illustration of a Muslim) could be problematic. He's not suggesting that the perpetrator could be muslim, he's saying that if someone did something else (and even if Muslims were a statistically dominant group for the action), specifying the characteristic would be considered weird

I don't necessarily agree that he was conflating the two things

Or am I not detecting the veiled bigotry here
 
norcal said:
Why am I being tagged here?

First I'm tagged in the Norcal cheating scandal, now this.

Is this what my reputation has come to, a cheating stalker type?
Click to expand...
No, I thought you just wanted to know if she customized her rackets and people took it the wrong way. I tagged you to let you know that.

I myself had a bad habit about checking to see if there were stray balls on court by an indirect method - I used to stare at the players' shorts one by one to see if there was a bulge. I have stopped doing that.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
He'd be the guy defending those dudes who kidnapped and then sold women into prostitution and slavery in Taken.
Click to expand...
Seems that way, finding out where a young woman is staying and stalking her to the hotel to give her a letter is totally fine and Windsor doesn’t see how that could be scary for someone? Disturbing!
 
Windsor2 said:
Again weird guy, likely, maybe a bit of a crazy fan, but I wouldn't make a tragedy out of this.
Click to expand...

Windsor2 said:
I have no idea but to incriminate someone I would still want to know what harm did he produce to someone or something. As far as I know giving, or try to give, a letter to a famous person it's a completely ridiculous allegation.
Click to expand...

You are minimizing a stalker's behavior. Trying to approach or visit someone who did not invite the person into their personal space is stalking. The stalker attempting to deliver a letter to Raducanu is eerily similar behavior to Robert Bardo, who was obsessed with actress Rebecca Schaeffer, attempted to gain access to the studio lot where she worked to hand deliver a stuffed animal, letters and flowers, and was rejected. His obsession eventually led to his locating her apartment, and shooting her to death in July of 1989. Creatures with the psychological dysfunction of obsessing over those they have no business contacting should be admitted to mental health facilities for an extended stay--for a start, before the Bardo situation is tragically copied.
 
reaper said:
My uneducated brain is actually suggesting that involuntary characteristics: sex, gender identity sexuality and ethnicity should be "protected" characteristics. That is that their involuntary character means that no pejorative should be ascribed to them, irrespective of what they might be.
Click to expand...
I understand the point you are trying to make. However, in this circumstance, this description of the stalker provides information that is helpful to better understand the situation because women are more likely to be harmed by men than by other women. Or by children, for that matter.

For instance, imagine if tournament security had to meet with a WTA player because they had information that someone was stalking that player. The WTA player would certainly want to know if the stalker was a man or a woman, or if the stalker was a child or a teen, because that information would be an essential part of assessing the threat level. The WTA player would almost certainly be more concerned if a man, for instance, was staking out her hotel room and trying to get letters and messages through to her than if, for example, a sixteen year old girl was doing the same.

In this circumstance, the sex (and age) of the stalker would be important, but the race of the stalker would be immaterial, so the example you provided regarding race is not analogous to this situation.
 
Last edited:
Aussie Darcy said:
He stalked her and followed her to her hotel to give her a letter. I don’t know what behaviour you think is ok but if I’m a fan of a celebrity I don’t find out what hotel they’re staying at and then follow them there to hunt them down to give them a letter. Also she’s a young 22 year old woman who’s already had other men stalk her and had restraining orders put in place for her safety.

Maybe you think that’s normal, but it’s not. This went far beyond just attending a match.
Click to expand...
The Beatles had thousands of female stalkers at hotels. She just needs to hire her own security. She can afford it. It's the cost of being a celebrity. Check out Taylor Swift's entourage.
 
No I am not minimizing anything. As I said I would need to know the facts to be able to form an opinion. As far as I know one single occurrence, like a guy who handle a letter to someone once, can't be consider stalking because you would need more occurrences to be classified as stalking. Furthermore, watching the match of your favourite player doesn't strike me as stalking behavior as well, per se. Otherwise there would be millions of tennis fans at risk of being labeled as stalkers.
 
Windsor2 said:
No I am not minimizing anything. As I said I would need to know the facts to be able to form an opinion. As far as I know one single occurrence, like a guy who handle a letter to someone once, can't be consider stalking because you would need more occurrences to be classified as stalking. Furthermore, watching the match of your favourite player doesn't strike me as stalking behavior as well, per se. Otherwise there would be millions of tennis fans at risk of being labeled as stalkers.
Click to expand...
Surely , you cannot be this obtuse.

2 things of utmost importance: CONSENT AND INTENT.
 
BTW intention is one of the most difficult thing to prove. And you need a proper trial and a judge to do so. But I say good bye to you too sir as I had enough.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Goes without saying the history of stalking on the WTA tour with the tragedy that happened to Monica Seles.

This comes after Raducanu had already been stalked a few years ago with that stalker being found guilty and slapped with a 5 year restraining order. Also comes a few months after it was revealed Katie Boulter was stalked at a tournament before Wimbledon last year.

Incredibly scary times for the women on tour by men.
Click to expand...

How do restraining orders even work in different countries?

e.g. if she gets a restraining order against a crazed fan in London, but that guy attends her match in Dubai, is he breaking an English law?

( I hope so! But I assume that gets complicated and Dubai police presumably have no reason to enforce that law).
 
Airspun said:
There are plenty of people here at minimizing Emma’s concern and distress and trying to ask why she was so upset and what did he do exactly.
Click to expand...

How is asking a question minimizing something?

Minimizing would be knowing what happened and saying it wasn't a big deal, etc. Simply asking what happened is a completely valid question.
 
Beacon Hill said:
I understand the point you are trying to make. However, in this circumstance, this description of the stalker provides information that is helpful to better understand the situation because women are more likely to be harmed by men than by other women. Or by children, for that matter.

For instance, imagine if tournament security had to meet with a WTA player because they had information that someone was stalking that player. The WTA player would certainly want to know if the stalker was a man or a woman, or if the stalker was a child or a teen, because that information would be an essential part of assessing the threat level. The WTA player would almost certainly be more concerned if a man was, for instance, was staking out her hotel room and trying to get letters and messages through to her than if, for example, a sixteen year old girl was doing the same.

In this circumstance, the sex of the stalker would be important, but the race of the stalker would be immaterial, so the example you provided regarding race is not analogous to this situation.
Click to expand...
I appreciate you for addressing his points in a polite manner instead of counter-labelling like AD did. Good points overall.
 
Bill Lobsalot said:
Nope. She needs to hire a bodyguard. Simple.
Click to expand...
A bodyguard can't do anything if he keeps following her around, unless he is willing to break the law. He will have to report it and the outcome will be the same. The bodyguard "warning" him won't work with such a person and in fact, the bodyguard will have no power inside a tennis facility unless he has already communicated with the security there.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
He stalked her and followed her to her hotel to give her a letter. I don’t know what behaviour you think is ok but if I’m a fan of a celebrity I don’t find out what hotel they’re staying at and then follow them there to hunt them down to give them a letter. Also she’s a young 22 year old woman who’s already had other men stalk her and had restraining orders put in place for her safety.

Maybe you think that’s normal, but it’s not. This went far beyond just attending a match.
Click to expand...
I swear you used to have a profile pic of a guy assaulting Thiem. But you've changed it to one objectifying a guy celebrating a win.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

RaulRamirez
Emma R v Emma N: Great match today...who will have the better career?
Replies
8
Views
192
RaulRamirez
RaulRamirez
V
Raducanu is warned she could lose £9m fortune
Replies
18
Views
765
Nostradamus
Nostradamus
V
Keys isn't allowed to play a WTA 250 because only 1 top 10 player is allowed to play in WTA 250 (Pegula in already)
2
Replies
58
Views
2K
Mark-Touch
Mark-Touch
Back
Top