Emma Raducanu stalked by crazed fan during her 2R match in Dubai

Beacon Hill said:
No one has suggested this isn't the case. You can also find incidents where wearing a seat belt puts you at greater risk than not wearing one. But in the end, you have to go with the overwhelming probabilities.
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There are no incidents where wearing a seatbelt put you at greater risk than not wearing one. Zip.
 
Jeesh how does this sport make any money at all these days especially with all this crazy inflation ? And Muchova is a top player. Emma used to be. They’re playing a match on a practice court with no audience? Good luck getting any security when you got some crazy dude stalking you. No one is even watching these matches. It’s crazy. I had a bigger audience in the trailer park for my 6th wedding

How can you keep running these events when no one is even playing to watch?
 
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vokazu said:
There are women who stalk women too you know. And there are women who hit men too.
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Time and place for this to be raised but we know the statistics show that the percentage of stalking and domestic violence commited by gender is something like 95% men and 5% women. That’s not to blame all men but we know who are the ones committing it mostly.

I’m soooo sorry to the men I triggered by adding the word men into my post.
 
vokazu said:
A woman was charged for stalking. Yikes.

www.mamamia.com.au

'A woman was charged with stalking me. Six years later, she says she's moving into the next street.'

How stalkers are given a clean slate.
www.mamamia.com.au www.mamamia.com.au
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Congrats for hijacking this thread on Raducanu being stalked by a man and broke down on court after we’ve seen Monica Seles stabbed on court by a male fan. Well done for turning it into some random male narrative, thanks Andrew Tate. I hope you’re proud for hijacking how women are stalked and murdered and posting about “not all men”.
 
This woman is such a creepy stalker, sexually assaulting a man on a train carriage. Yikes.

One day, she tracked him down while he was travelling in London and chased him through the underground, sexually assaulting him on a carriage. “It was the first time in my life I had to sprint away from someone out of fear,” he said.

She followed him to his flat and tried to force her way in. Desperate, he told her he never wanted to see her again and hoped that would be the end of it.
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www.theguardian.com

‘I felt immense shame’: one man’s experience of a female stalker

Tom, whose experience echoes that portrayed in Baby Reindeer, talks about the impact on him and the police response
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
a10best said:
How do we know he's a perv stalker and not someone trying to get an autograph or selfie to resell?

Should we label someone a stalker because they like to see her game, her winning tournaments, her top 10 results, her top 10 ranking... oh wait, he's gotta be a stalker.
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I think her reaction said it all man
 
Windsor2 said:
Humm tried to give her a letter.. I don't think it's totally normal behavior , but I don't think it's lethal injection worthy either.
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He wasn't even charged sir

Ppl are like "where's the crime" and claiming it's a witch hunt

He wasn't charged, just told not to return as he is scaring the player.
 
vokazu said:
Another creepy female stalker kissed a man forcibly and pinched his butt. Yikes.

indianexpress.com

Varun Dhawan says ‘wife of a powerful man’ stalked him, broke into his house: ‘She thought I would leave my family for her’

Varun Dhawan also spoke about uncomfortable fan encounters, and said that he felt violated when women touch him appropriately.
indianexpress.com indianexpress.com
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Why are you posting things completely irrelevant to tennis as if to discredit women being stalked by men? It’s utterly alarming? Are you defending men stalking women? Monica Seles was stabbed by a man. This is a tennis forum. Please realize what you’re doing and what you’re appearing to defend here, it’s sick.
 
Bill Lobsalot said:
Nope. She needs to hire a bodyguard. Simple.
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Unfortunately, this is the reality for most celebrities once they are too big. I'm pretty sure the Big 3, Serena, Sharapova, etc. travel with bodyguards 24/7. Obviously big celebrities in other fields too.

It shouldn't be this way, needless to say, but it is.
 
Rosstour said:
He wasn't even charged sir

Ppl are like "where's the crime" and claiming it's a witch hunt

He wasn't charged, just told not to return as he is scaring the player.
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Exatcly. The guy's probably just one of those boring fans looking for an autograph or a photo with his idol. The way even the most harmless behavior is criminalized these days is scary and alarming.
 
Windsor2 said:
Exatcly. The guy's probably just one of those boring fans looking for an autograph or a photo with his idol. The way even the most harless behavior is criminalized these days is scary and alarming.
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Nah wait that's not what I'm saying.

The behavior WASN'T criminalized--the dude wasn't charged.

All my "conservative" friends are saying the same thing. Their reaction is always that the woman is wrong (overreacting) or evil (playing the victim) and they're acting like this dude was executed on the spot by the Woke Police

He was asked to leave and not come back. That's entirely reasonable.

Like others have said, there's not much you can do about stalkers until it's too late.
 
Beacon Hill said:
I understand the point you are trying to make. However, in this circumstance, this description of the stalker provides information that is helpful to better understand the situation because women are more likely to be harmed by men than by other women. Or by children, for that matter.

For instance, imagine if tournament security had to meet with a WTA player because they had information that someone was stalking that player. The WTA player would certainly want to know if the stalker was a man or a woman, or if the stalker was a child or a teen, because that information would be an essential part of assessing the threat level. The WTA player would almost certainly be more concerned if a man, for instance, was staking out her hotel room and trying to get letters and messages through to her than if, for example, a sixteen year old girl was doing the same.

In this circumstance, the sex (and age) of the stalker would be important, but the race of the stalker would be immaterial, so the example you provided regarding race is not analogous to this situation.
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That's all true, but the contingencies you specify didn't apply as a security concern in the post to which I responded.
 
The behavior wasn't criminalized by the police, and ask yourself why it wasn't, but was indeed criminalized on here by the usual suspects. Stalking is a serious offence but quite frankly this doesn't look to be the case.
 
lalamzo said:
https://www.zawn.net/blog/hello-youve-reached-the-not-all-men-hotline
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What would be more informative than the "not all men" trope would be information on the percentage of men. For example in Australia 85% of domestic homicides are committed by males. Each year 1 in 150 000 males kills their female domestic partner. The "not all men" in that instance account for 1/1500th of 1% of men. So yes, it's not quite all in that instance, despite males committing the vast majority of crimes of that type.
 
Rosstour said:
You sound really woke

No offense
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I don't actually know what the word means any more so can't really be offended by it. Jordan Thompson defined it as spectators being allowed to enter and leave the arena between games rather than changes of ends at the 2024 Australian Open, but I don't think that's the universally accepted definition.
 
Windsor2 said:
The behavior wasn't criminalized by the police, and ask yourself why it wasn't, but was indeed criminalized on here by the usual suspects. Stalking is a serious offence but quite frankly this doesn't look to be the case.
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Right, and if it was criminalized by the police then you'd be calling them out too.

No convincing guys like you. Women are overreacting until they get killed by a stalker or violent partner, then when they're dead you call them stupid for not being more vigilant.
 
I dont really know as fans of the game what more one can say except man this sucks. How this delved into some social commentary debate, well doesn't everything now?

Someone could start a post on the origins of tennis, and within 10 post the right and the left would be yelling at each other. (y)
 
insideguy said:
I dont really know as fans of the game what more one can say except man this sucks. How this delved into some social commentary debate, well doesn't everything now?

Someone could start a post on the origins of tennis, and within 10 post the right and the left would be yelling at each other. (y)
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@reaper went right to talking about "blacks" bc he is obviously pretty sensitive about the gender aspect of this issue. And off we went. Go back and see for yourself.

I want to say this isn't a left v right thing, but all my IRL friends who know about this have broken exactly along party lines. Conservatives think she's being melodramatic and liberals think she was lucky something worse didn't happen
 
reaper said:
I was talking about involuntary biological characteristics, ethnicity/race (such as being black) being one of them.
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And there was absolutely zero reason to bring it up as it was immaterial

Only if you're trying to start a fight over wokeism and virtue signaling and show everyone how tough you are bc you think women should be held accountable.
 
Rosstour said:
@reaper went right to talking about "blacks" bc he is obviously pretty sensitive about the gender aspect of this issue. And off we went. Go back and see for yourself.
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I know man. I know. I think you mentioned it a little while back maybe it was someone else, but anyway you can almost always tell someone's view on every subject just by reading a few lines of their comment. Then that transfers to almost every other issue. Not always but I would say 90 percent of the time.
 
insideguy said:
I know man. I know. I think you mentioned it a little while back maybe it was someone else, but anyway you can almost always tell someone's view on every subject just by reading a few lines of their comment. Then that transfers to almost every other issue. Not always but I would say 90 percent of the time.
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It's like pickup trucks lol.

As soon as you see what they drive, you know everything you need to know. Haha
 
Rosstour said:
Not always is right. But usually.

I have to confess I'm extremely discourteous on the road to Tesla ppl now. A lot of them don't understand yet. They will
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I will tell you I was in the military for 3 and a cop for 23 years. Im retired. I have a Jeep rubicon. And a Subaru Crosstrek. How da think I am:) Knowing that you have read many of my posts:) But ya get ya on the Tesla thing.
 
insideguy said:
I will tell you I was in the military for 3 and a cop for 23 years. Im retired. I have a Jeep rubicon. And a Subaru Crosstrek. How da think I am:) Knowing that you have read many of my posts:) But ya get ya on the Tesla thing.
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I feel like we've talked before and I know you're sort of center-left where I am so I am cheating a bit haha
 
Rosstour said:
I feel like we've talked before and I know you're sort of center-left where I am so I am cheating a bit haha
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Well exactly. But you know that from my posts. But not my background. My background is pretty stereotypical right correct?

I was just saying ya never know.
 
Rosstour said:
Right, and if it was criminalized by the police then you'd be calling them out too.

No convincing guys like you. Women are overreacting until they get killed by a stalker or violent partner, then when they're dead you call them stupid for not being more vigilant.
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Who? It looks to me that you do a lot of stereotype talking. My advise is to buy a few books and study a bit of law. It's never too late..
 
Rosstour said:
And there was absolutely zero reason to bring it up as it was immaterial

Only if you're trying to start a fight over wokeism and virtue signaling and show everyone how tough you are bc you think women should be held accountable.
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I was bringing it up as an example of something which is ordinarily (and rightly) considered unacceptable. What do you think I believe women should be held accountable of?
 
reaper said:
I was bringing it up as an example of something which is ordinarily (and rightly) considered unacceptable. What do you think I believe women should be held accountable of?
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You made the dude the victim (of general generalizations) instead of the woman he was following around
 
Windsor2 said:
The behavior wasn't criminalized by the police, and ask yourself why it wasn't, but was indeed criminalized on here by the usual suspects. Stalking is a serious offence but quite frankly this doesn't look to be the case.
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Would you feel comfortable if your mother or sister or daughter or female friend that was all of 22 years of age was stalked by a man to the hotel she was staying it (which is not public knowledge) and then was following her at a tennis tournament?

How are you still defending this? It’s creepy and disgusting. You really should just be calling this out and leaving it there. Otherwise you’re making it look like you think it’s ok to stalk women….
 
Rosstour said:
You made the dude the victim (of general generalizations) instead of the woman he was following around
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In a generalization other members of that group become the victim too - as for whether what Darcy said could constitute that, that is open for debate. But I think the debate should have stopped at whether that constitutes generalization rather than instant right-wing labelling, hence my initial criticism of Darcy. The choice of example might not be the most appropriately worded and culturally sensitive, that I could agree with, but the point he is getting at with the analogy I feel like could be debated before the name-calling.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Would you feel comfortable if your mother or sister or daughter or female friend that was all of 22 years of age was stalked by a man to the hotel she was staying it (which is not public knowledge) and then was following her at a tennis tournament?

How are you still defending this? It’s creepy and disgusting. You really should just be calling this out and leaving it there. Otherwise you’re making it look like you think it’s ok to stalk women….
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You're misunderstanding your opposition

Most of these guys really do believe it all the way down to their wife/mom/sister

This "politicial viewpoint" is really a brain chem issue and you can't fix it. They are hardwired for authoritarian thought and women can always take more blame in that thought process
 
reaper said:
I was bringing it up as an example of something which is ordinarily (and rightly) considered unacceptable. What do you think I believe women should be held accountable of?
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The thread was about Raducanu being stalked by a man. And you immediately jumped in talking about “two black men”. It was frankly disgusting.

You tried to justify men who stalk women by referencing people of colour. I don’t know what the heck you were thinking but it was ill timed and disgusting.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
The thread was about Raducanu being stalked by a man. And you immediately jumped in talking about “two black men”. It was frankly disgusting.

You tried to justify men who stalk women by referencing people of colour. I don’t know what the heck you were thinking but it was ill timed and disgusting.
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Trying to use a triggering phrase that any liberal would object to, in order to prove a point about your supposed hypocrisy.
 
Rosstour said:
You made the dude the victim (of general generalizations) instead of the woman he was following around
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What I am saying is that when you refer to the person who commits an offence egregiously by an involuntary characteristic, be it race, sex or sexuality, that comment is heard as co joining other elements of that group who bear no responsibility for the act with the accused party. "The dude" so far as I can tell isn't a victim of anything.
 
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