Emma Raducanu stalked by crazed fan during her 2R match in Dubai

Aussie Darcy said:
The thread was about Raducanu being stalked by a man. And you immediately jumped in talking about “two black men”. It was frankly disgusting.

You tried to justify men who stalk women by referencing people of colour. I don’t know what the heck you were thinking but it was ill timed and disgusting.
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So as not to disgust you in future I'll keep my arguments less cerebral.
 
reaper said:
What I am saying is that when you refer to the person who commits an offence egregiously by an involuntary characteristic, be it race, sex or sexuality, that comment is heard as co joining other elements of that group who bear no responsibility for the act with the accused party. "The dude" so far as I can tell isn't a victim of anything.
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Saying man/woman is a lot different than saying black/white.

M/W is as basic as it gets for a news story. And if you don't want us to say "man stalks woman" then we can say "person stalks person". I'm sure the she/they crowd would love that. That's why I called you "woke"
 
Rosstour said:
Saying man/woman is a lot different than saying black/white.

M/W is as basic as it gets for a news story. And if you don't want us to say "man stalks woman" then we can say "person stalks person". I'm sure the she/they crowd would love that. That's why I called you "woke"
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You can indeed say man and woman, but it's about tone and context. OMG...he called me woke! If only either of us knew what it means in a contemporary setting...
 
Windsor2 said:
Who? It looks to me that you do a lot of stereotype talking. My advise is to buy a few books and study a bit of law. It's never too late..
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Let me try once more with you -- not to try to win an argument (as who cares?) but to appeal to whatever logic and empathy you may have. And let's do this without any straw men or extremes.
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I admit that how I reacted, and react, to this story is based on supposition, as yours is. None of us saw whatever meeting/confrontation she had with this fan prior to seeing him close to courtside during her second round match. None of us, to my knowledge, have seen the contents of whatever he tried to give her where she was staying.

Now, Emma, although young, has traveled the world for her profession -- and also doing ads and modeling -- to an extent that few of us will. And she has done so as someone very recognizable for the last 3.5 years. I am sure that she has been in many situations where fans were overeager, and overzealous but within acceptable parameters. I'm sure she has been inconvenienced and heard her share of unwelcome comments, etc prior to this.

While she has earned a good amount of money and fame, she also gets trashed often on media and social media, and I'm guessing that she and other athletes get all kinds of strange communication from fans. Inappropriate (sometimes lewd or certainly unwanted) come-ons, and probably, angry, threatening tweets and other contacts from fans who lose money betting on them.

Quite apparently, there was something quite different about this "meeting" that unnerved her. While her performance level on court and match confidence may have wavered during periods of illness, injury and relative struggle, she is a very bright, confident person who, at this point, is not a stranger to the tour. Has she ever broken down emotionally in the middle of a match like this? Most would give her the benefit of the doubt, as she deserves it.

This is NOT a legal case, as yet. I would think that the empathetic response would be something like, "Man, this fan must have really crossed the line to put her through this trauma."
And/or "Wow, she showed a ton of fortitude playing on and rallying to make a good match of it against a very talented player."
 
reaper said:
You can indeed say man and woman, but it's about tone and context. OMG...he called me woke! If only either of us knew what it means in a contemporary setting...
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I'm actually doing quite well. I'm allegedly both woke and an avowed racist all in the one thread.
 
reaper said:
You can indeed say man and woman, but it's about tone and context. OMG...he called me woke! If only either of us knew what it means in a contemporary setting...
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FTR the race thing does happen in headlines but only when it's a white person hurting a black person

And yeah I guess you could say there's like the small % of stalking cases where the roles are reversed. But when it's 90% dudes I don't think the generalization is unfair
 
RaulRamirez said:
Let me try once more with you -- not to try to win an argument (as who cares?) but to appeal to whatever logic and empathy you may have. And let's do this without any straw men or extremes.
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I admit that how I reacted, and react, to this story is based on supposition, as yours is. None of us saw whatever meeting/confrontation she had with this fan prior to seeing him close to courtside during her second round match. None of us, to my knowledge, have seen the contents of whatever he tried to give her where she was staying.

Now, Emma, although young, has traveled the world for her profession -- and also doing ads and modeling -- to an extent that few of us will. And she has done so as someone very recognizable for the last 3.5 years. I am sure that she has been in many situations where fans were overeager, and overzealous but within acceptable parameters. I'm sure she has been inconvenienced and heard her share of unwelcome comments, etc prior to this.

While she has earned a good amount of money and fame, she also gets trashed often on media and social media, and I'm guessing that she and other athletes get all kinds of strange communication from fans. Inappropriate (sometimes lewd or certainly unwanted) come-ons, and probably, angry, threatening tweets and other contacts from fans who lose money betting on them.

Quite apparently, there was something quite different about this "meeting" that unnerved her. While her performance level on court and match confidence may have wavered during periods of illness, injury and relative struggle, she is a very bright, confident person who, at this point, is not a stranger to the tour. Has she ever broken down emotionally in the middle of a match like this? Most would give her the benefit of the doubt, as she deserves it.

This is NOT a legal case, as yet. I would think that the empathetic response would be something like, "Man, this fan must have really crossed the line to put her through this trauma."
And/or "Wow, she showed a ton of fortitude playing on and rallying to make a good match of it against a very talented player."
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I would agree on most and if you bother to go through my posts you would find that I already said that, imo, the guy was an annoying fan and likely a bit of a weird individual. I also said that, imo, from a legal perspective, this isn't stalking. Good bye.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Especially with what's happening with Rybakina and the so many other women on tour who've been abused by men like their partners or fathers on tour!

But forum users want to focus on defending men instead of caring about what the women are going through :(
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On Rybakina, she wasn't abused, and has said as much, and goofballs of the tennis world won't believe her, they know better. No they don't. Shriver was abused. The Vukov Rybakina situation is entirely different. I suggested in another thread that Shriver and other over zealous prudish piddlers need to read THE ART OF LOVE but I got the title wrong, it is ON LOVE by Stendhal.

As to Emma, what bad luck. Muchova is such a formidable player. To deal with both her and a stalker at the same time would be too much for anybody. But Emma can be stronger as she gets by it. The great thing is that she's a great player too.
 
Bottle2 said:
On Rybakina, she wasn't abused, and has said as much, and goofballs of the tennis world won't believe her, they know better. No they don't. Shriver was abused. The Vukov Rybakina situation is entirely different. I suggested in another thread that Shriver and other over zealous prudish piddlers need to read THE ART OF LOVE but I got the title wrong, it is ON LOVE by Stendhal.

As to Emma, what bad luck. Muchova is such a formidable player. To deal with both her and a stalker at the same time would be too much for anybody. But Emma can be stronger as she gets by it. The great thing is that she's a great player too.
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Ok. Come on. Can we just admit what these "new users" detailed accounts out of nowhere are? LOL. Explains so much.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
It’s Stanford. Founded by Leland Stanford and his wife Jane.
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I was making a joke. There's a ttw poster who loves to post photos of WTA players and females on the Stanford tennis team.

Nostradamus said:
Wow, I guess it even happens in college level tennis. Stacey Tan very upset with Ellen Tsay's poor play at net. They were playing against #1 team from Florida which #1 seed, I believe. Standford pair had chances to win in the 3rd set. Tsay blew some easy volleys and didn't put away some volleys she should have, especially at that level.
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Bottle2 said:
On Rybakina, she wasn't abused, and has said as much, and goofballs of the tennis world won't believe her, they know better. No they don't. Shriver was abused. The Vukov Rybakina situation is entirely different. I suggested in another thread that Shriver and other over zealous prudish piddlers need to read THE ART OF LOVE but I got the title wrong, it is ON LOVE by Stendhal.

As to Emma, what bad luck. Muchova is such a formidable player. To deal with both her and a stalker at the same time would be too much for anybody. But Emma can be stronger as she gets by it. The great thing is that she's a great player too.
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You’re a brand new user, what post and thread did you happen to discuss Shriver’s involvement with Rybakina? You’re clear a former banned user.

I’ve been here a decade and I know it took me well over a month to get the reigns of this place but suddenly you’re an expert here debating with me and others? This is insane.
 
insideguy said:
Ok. Come on. Can we just admit what these "new users" detailed accounts out of nowhere are? LOL. Explains so much.
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It’s honestly insane, I got punished by mods for far less yet we can clearly see alternate accounts. Where has this user suddenly been vocal on the Rybakina situation despite being brand new and having a grand total of 15 posts?
 
SMH - What the heck is happening in this thread?

No person, male or female should be made to feel the way Raducanu was made to feel, irrespective of what you think of them as a person. Everyone has a right to feel safe, again, doesn't matter if you are male or female, an adult or a minor. And there should be no generalizations, stalkers are stalkers, and they should not be allowed to continue such behavior.
 
intelligent leodevlin said:
What did the stalker do exactly? What is fixated behaviour? Did he make vulgar gestures?
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How dare you ask such questions! It is not allowed. What you need to do right now is get on the bandwagon and believe everything hypothetical that is being presented as facts in this topic, m'kay?

Airspun said:
There are plenty of people here at minimizing Emma’s concern and distress and trying to ask why she was so upset and what did he do exactly.
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Actually no, that's not what people are doing. They are genuinely interested in what the heck this guy did, but all they see is accusations and zero substance, unlike you and the like that have already decided what his intentions were, despite the fact you too have absolutely no first hand information about the matter just like everybody else! Anyone can and is allowed to react in the way Raducanu reacted especially given the fact that she has actually been stalked in the past, but stop using her reaction to gauge the level of predatory behaviour of this latest 'stalker'.

Gave her a letter and was spectating during one of her matches, that's it? What else is there? Let's see the letter at least...
If the letter was particularly scary, she would have surely notified the WTA right away. It would be stupid not to, and I don't think she's stupid.
 
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Airspun said:
Question for anyone questioning her or defending the stalker scumbag: did you also defend Chris Watts OJ or Gabby Petito‘s boyfriend? And these are three murdered women who actually knew and were married to their murderers.
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Not enough details were given! You can't just label people X because an accuser said it is so.
Once "I" found & posted the facts her concern and demand appears valid. A WTA player crying on the court is not uncommon.
Any responsible adult should know it's best to know all the facts before joining one side and falsely accusing someone of rape or sexual assault.

So, now murderers who lived with their victims for months or years are now the equivalent of a random weird stranger pursuing Emma?
Have these traits added up to later in life murderers? Idk, I'm just asking.
 
Pinocchio said:
If the letter was particularly scary, she would have surely notified the WTA right away. It would be stupid not to, and I don't think she's stupid.
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I will say, a grown man giving a girl he does not know a letter is a bit suspect in any situation. But that is the thing with these cases, you cant do anything until it becomes criminal.
 
Well you can’t just go around arresting people for infatuation with chicks in most countries unless you want to get sued. Especially if they made no threats towards that person. She can file a restraining order though I believe
 
Lleytonstation said:
I will say, a grown man giving a girl he does not know a letter is a bit suspect in any situation. But that is the thing with these cases, you cant do anything until it becomes criminal.
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Agree..
Also it could be the body language which she found creepy followed by attendance at the stand. While nothing illegal is done, it can be scary.

Crazy fans can be unpredictable and it's better to be safe than sorry!
 
a10best said:
Not enough details were given! You can't just label people X because an accuser said it is so.
Once "I" found & posted the facts her concern and demand appears valid. A WTA player crying on the court is not uncommon.
Any responsible adult should know it's best to know all the facts before joining one side and falsely accusing someone of rape or sexual assault.

So, now murderers who lived with their victims for months or years are now the equivalent of a random weird stranger pursuing Emma?
Have these traits added up to later in life murderers? Idk, I'm just asking.
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For the parts that I bolded, in order of appearance: Do you care to back up your statement? Two games into a match, WTA players just start crying on the court. Commonly? Give me a break.

I don't know that anybody on this thread has accused this fan of rape or sexual assault. If they have, reply to them directly.

Try some human empathy. Nobody that I've read is saying to arrest this fan off of what we know. But what you are doing is questioning Raducanu...and why? Don't you think that being young, attractive and famous - and touring the world in the public eye - that she has been in the occasional awkward situation with overzealous fans prior to this? Something about this incident provoked that visceral reaction, which she has never displayed before on court. You know, maybe a human being with basic empathy would be sympathetic and praise her for playing through it, and also playing a strong match against a tough opponent. Is that too much to ask?
 
RaulRamirez said:
For the parts that I bolded, in order of appearance: Do you care to back up your statement? Two games into a match, WTA players just start crying on the court. Commonly? Give me a break.

I don't know that anybody on this thread has accused this fan of rape or sexual assault. If they have, reply to them directly.

Try some human empathy. Nobody that I've read is saying to arrest this fan off of what we know. But what you are doing is questioning Raducanu...and why? Don't you think that being young, attractive and famous - and touring the world in the public eye - that she has been in the occasional awkward situation with overzealous fans prior to this? Something about this incident provoked that visceral reaction, which she has never displayed before on court. You know, maybe a human being with basic empathy would be sympathetic and praise her for playing through it, and also playing a strong match against a tough opponent. Is that too much to ask?
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Empathy has been reduced in society due to fake tears & stories by jilted ex's, 500+ women drugged by P-Diddy, and our beloved politicians with blatant lies and omissions.
I've seen and known too many liars who cry. I grew up in a big city where you see it all.
I never questioned Radacanu crying specifically. I questioned the comments labeling someone a threat (stalker & eventual double murderer) who is staring at a player. you know there's guys who stare at male players and emulate their rituals, ticks, when they refuel, how they motivate themselves between points, etc. That's what tennis tickets are for, to watch the players, not the fans or umpire. I know one guy who imitates Rafa between points on service returns.

A person who has a fixated stare on you or your GF because she's attractive is not unusual behavior in big cities like L.A., NYC or Chicago. Some will be weird situations because they simply are but most people don't break down in tears. She grew up in London, travels worldwide, and has had guys hitting on her so how can this one stranger trigger that type of response?

2 games into a match as you said means there's much more to it than seeing him 2x in 3 days which is all I wanted to know. Calling him an eventual rapist/murderer is way too simple.
 
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a10best said:
Empathy has been reduced in society due to fake tears & stories by jilted ex's, 500+ women drugged by P-Diddy, and our beloved politicians with blatant lies and omissions.
I've seen and known too many liars who cry. I grew up in a big city where you see it all.
I never questioned Radacanu crying specifically. I questioned the comments labeling someone a threat (stalker & eventual double murderer) who is staring at a player. you know there's guys who stare at male players and emulate their rituals, ticks, when they refuel, how they motivate themselves between points, etc. That's what tennis tickets are for, to watch the players, not the fans or umpire. I know one guy who imitates Rafa between points on service returns.

A person who has a fixated stare on you or your GF because she's attractive is not unusual behavior in big cities like L.A., NYC or Chicago. Some will be weird situations because they simply are but most people don't break down. She grew up in London, travels worldwide, and has had guys hitting on her so how can this one stranger trigger that type of response?

2 games into a match as you said means there's much more to it than seeing him 2x in 3 days which is all I wanted to know. Calling him an eventual rapist/murderer is way too simple.

If there's ever anyone against rapists or pedos I'm volunteering to put them down from the first-hand stories I've heard but from a celeb I learned to not be quick to judge w/o more facts.
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On a long thread, perhaps a couple people ...if I recall...mentioned that stalking can lead to horrendous things. No, we don't have all the details, but I have empathy for her in this situation. Your other rationalization is all over the place.
 
RaulRamirez said:
On a long thread, perhaps a couple people ...if I recall...mentioned that stalking can lead to horrendous things. No, we don't have all the details, but I have empathy for her in this situation. Your other rationalization is all over the place.
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I don't want to make long posts so it may come off as incoherent. In the end, it does make a lot of sense unless one is cemented in their beliefs from displays of emotion.

"stalking can lead to horrendous things." The worry about everything people who don't go on subways, don't like pitbulls, don't watch movies with violence, and get 100 vaccines.
 
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