Enjoy Serena Williams' 23 Grand Slam Championship Points

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Deleted member 742196

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Sorry, I decided to block you after your unreasonable post.


Will need 3+ weeks to unblock you.
 

mavsman149

Hall of Fame
Kinda funny, it almost seemed like some of her earlier victory celebrations were more subdued. She really seems to have really enjoyed her wins a lot more 2007 and on more
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
Gosh, she screams and grunts horribly. Yet still everyone complains only about Sharapova and Vika.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
no... She still would have won an overwhelming majority of her matches in 2 or 3 sets.
She would be obliterated by college level guys. I remember one time Nadal hit a heavy topspin forehand at her during Kids Day in Australia and she was shocked out of her mind at the spin and velocity of Nadal's ball when she tried to retrieve it. LOL
Serena plays girls tennis. Real tennis is on the ATP circuit. That's why there's barely a blip on these tennis forums regarding Serena's "accomplishments". Nobody cares.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Serena is bad but her pitch is lower, which makes her grunt less irritating than those of Sharapova and Azarenka.
Indeed. She's closer to the men (i.e. not really annoying at all). It's the screamers that are the problem. Nadal, Djoker, Serena don't bother me much
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
She would be obliterated by college level guys. I remember one time Nadal hit a heavy topspin forehand at her during Kids Day in Australia and she was shocked out of her mind at the spin and velocity of Nadal's ball when she tried to retrieve it. LOL
Serena plays girls tennis. Real tennis is on the ATP circuit. That's why there's barely a blip on these tennis forums regarding Serena's "accomplishments". Nobody cares.
True... But if the women played 5 sets, she would have more majors.

Does anyone else think it's an embarrassment for the WTA when Bouchard is the highest paid player? She worked hard but not on her tennis game. Did she ger "equal pay for equal work?" At least Sharapova won some.
 

Man of steel

Hall of Fame
Serena is bad but her pitch is lower, which makes her grunt less irritating than those of Sharapova and Azarenka.
Plus hers is not constant like theirs. She could go an entire tournament without grunting. Her grunting is more related to how she is emotionally in the match. If she is calm, poised she will be quiet or at least some very small grunting thats barely inaudible over the sound of the tennis balls being hit. That serena is the serena thats come to F sh1t up.
Loud serena can be either a few things. She's playing badly and is frustrated with herself or she's in a tight match.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
True... But if the women played 5 sets, she would have more majors.

Does anyone else think it's an embarrassment for the WTA when Bouchard is the highest paid player? She worked hard but not on her tennis game. Did she ger "equal pay for equal work?" At least Sharapova won some.
Well whatever sponsors she gets outside of tennis is her good fortune. It's not easy surviving on tennis winnings unless you're a top player. If you have good looks then you can get a lot of endorsements and sponsors as Kournikova was getting despite not winning any significant tournaments in singles.
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
Well whatever sponsors she gets outside of tennis is her good fortune. It's not easy surviving on tennis winnings unless you're a top player. If you have good looks then you can get a lot of endorsements and sponsors as Kournikova was getting despite not winning any significant tournaments in singles.
With the ATP, on court performance translates to bigger earnings off the court. Federer and Nadal are decent looking fellows but they ain't exactly runway models. Still.. they sell shedloads of stuff for their sponsors.

It seems the the path to earnings on the WTA is to have good looks, social media presence, SI bikini issues, etc... I'm not claiming this is a problem BTW. If the women want to do whatever they can to boost earnings, why not? Good for them. Not going to complain that their attractive ATP counterparts do not have the same opportunity.

Tennis is entertainment... IMO ATP tennis more entertaining and that's where my money is going. I find it ridiculous that most people arguing the case for equal pay in sports have never been to a WNBA or a NWSL game.

Serena is the GOAT... for women's tennis.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
With the ATP, on court performance translates to bigger earnings off the court. Federer and Nadal are decent looking fellows but they ain't exactly runway models. Still.. they sell shedloads of stuff for their sponsors.

It seems the the path to earnings on the WTA is to have good looks, social media presence, SI bikini issues, etc... I'm not claiming this is a problem BTW. If the women want to do whatever they can to boost earnings, why not? Good for them. Not going to complain that their attractive ATP counterparts do not have the same opportunity.

Tennis is entertainment... IMO ATP tennis more entertaining and that's where my money is going. I find it ridiculous that most people arguing the case for equal pay in sports have never been to a WNBA or a NWSL game.

Serena is the GOAT... for women's tennis.
I think women should play best of 5 sets in the Slams. Equal pay would be valid then. Why get paid equal for doing a lot less work on the court?
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
True... But if the women played 5 sets, she would have more majors.

Does anyone else think it's an embarrassment for the WTA when Bouchard is the highest paid player? She worked hard but not on her tennis game. Did she ger "equal pay for equal work?" At least Sharapova won some.
Wow, you don’t even post correct information. Bouchard isn’t the highest paid player. Serena is and then Kerber and then Venus. Are you that thick that you can’t even google? Pathetic.

www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/08/14/the-highest-paid-female-athletes-2017/amp/
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
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Chadillac

Guest
Would of only had 5 if it werent for TUE's. Sorry williams fan, i actually care about the integrity of my sport.
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
Key word being parody. If you know it’s parody, why bother posting here acting like it’s real without any indication that it’s actually BS? Just another person criticising the women’s tour.
OK then just replace Bouchard with Sharapova for credibility then.

For the record... my criticism is actually for the people who argue 5 sets is equal work. It's not... you and I could play 1,000 sets of tennis and no one will pay a dime. I don't blame the WTA or women athletes in other sports for fighting for every penny they can get. Good for them.

In sports we pay for the POSSIBILITY of being entertained. I may enjoy ATP tennis more but that's a general statement with exceptions. For example, I will choose to pay to watch a good WTA match up over any match with Isner, Raonic or Karlovic.
 

Gizo

Hall of Fame
I put Serena in the same category of players like Graf and Sampras that I didn't appreciate enough during their younger days, and came to appreciate them more during the latter stages of their careers.

Beating Davenport and Hingis back to back to win her 1999 US Open at the age of 17 was certainly some achievement. Then she got the congratulatory phone call from Bill Clinton.

Her first and and most recent titles at each of the majors plus the have come at least 13 years apart; 13 years at the AO, 13 years at RG, 14 years at Wimbledon and 15 years at the USO. Plus her first and most recent YEC titles, Miami titles (the most important regular season tour event for her) and year end no. 1 finishes were all secured 13 years apart, Rome titles 14 years apart, and her 2 Serena slams were achieved 12 and a half years apart. Damn impressive there !

I kind of wish that Serena was able to equal or even overhaul Navratilova's record of 9 Wimbledon, just because Navratilova has been such a bitter ego-maniac over the years, and that's clearly the record that she cherishes the most. It would have been hilarious. But then on the other hand I sort of wish that Venus could have ended her career with more Wimbledon titles than Serena (it would have been 6 vs. 2 had she won the 2009 final), just so she had 'something' over Serena in terms of tennis achievements.

But Serena's achieved are already superhuman enough anyway !
 
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Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
OK then just replace Bouchard with Sharapova for credibility then.

For the record... my criticism is actually for the people who argue 5 sets is equal work. It's not... you and I could play 1,000 sets of tennis and no one will pay a dime. I don't blame the WTA or women athletes in other sports for fighting for every penny they can get. Good for them.

In sports we pay for the POSSIBILITY of being entertained. I may enjoy ATP tennis more but that's a general statement with exceptions. For example, I will choose to pay to watch a good WTA match up over any match with Isner, Raonic or Karlovic.
Sharapova wasn’t in the top 3 earners last year either. Really not sure what your point in regards to highest earners is.

As for the B05, I agree. I’d rather watch most women’s matches then another 5 setter with Karlovic. Anyway, the tournaments think that the current system works, it’s just a bunch of whinging (mostly) men out there who want women to play B05 even though they’d never bother to watch it. They’d be happier if the sport was scrapped altogether.
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
I put Serena in the same category of players like Graf and Sampras that I didn't appreciate enough during their younger days, and came to appreciate them more during the latter stages of their careers.

Beating Davenport and Hingis back to back to win her 1999 US Open at the age of 17 was certainly some achievement. Then she got the congratulatory phone call from Bill Clinton.

Her first and and most recent titles at each of the majors plus the have come at least 13 years apart; 13 years at the AO, 13 years at RG, 14 years at Wimbledon and 15 years at the USO. Plus her first and most recent YEC titles, Miami titles (the most important regular season tour event for her) and year end no. 1 finishes were all secured 13 years apart, Rome titles 14 years apart, and her 2 Serena slams were achieved 12 and a half years apart. Damn impressive there !

I kind of wish that Serena was able to equal or even overhaul Navratilova's record of 9 Wimbledon, just because Navratilova has been such a bitter ego-maniac over the years, and that's clearly the record that she cherishes the most. It would have been hilarious. But then on the other hand I sort of wish that Venus could have ended her career with more Wimbledon titles than Serena (it would have been 6 vs. 2 had she won the 2009 final), just so she had 'something' over Serena in terms of tennis achievements.

But Serena's achieved are already superhuman enough anyway !
If Venus didn't get sick, I think she would have definitely surpassed 9 Wimbledons.
 

qindarka

Rookie
By the way what happened to Serena in the mid 2000s or so when she should have been in her prime? It seems a large part of her slams came when she was very young and after she turned 30. Why did she win so few from around 2003-2006?
 
The Bo5 bellyaching will magically disappear after Serena retire.
When trying to delegitimize Serena's accomplishments, they delegitimize Graf, Evert, Court, Martina body of work too.
I don't see why it would stop after Serena retiring. For me ATP and WTA are incomparable because of the bo5 nature in slams.
 

TennisLBC

Professional
I don't see why it would stop after Serena retiring. For me ATP and WTA are incomparable because of the bo5 nature in slams.
Women were never required to play best of 5 in Slams. And the Slams are not controlled by the ATP or WTA.
The US Open had be offering equal prize money since the 70s without demanding best of 5 from women.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
Quite possible one of the dumbest suggestion I’ve read on this forum. Clearly you have absolutely no clue on how tennis tournaments are run.
Yeah well...I'm not the one who ever said that the women's game is run completely off the backs of the men:D
 

Mike Sams

Legend
I think men should have periods and use birth control for not getting pregnant while on high peak of their career. This was discussed to death already. Kuznetsova summed it up quite nicely 2 years ago in Miami.
What does that have to do with women getting equal pay to the men while playing only best of 3 compared to best of 5?
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
What does that have to do with women getting equal pay to the men while playing only best of 3 compared to best of 5?
The fact that women must sacrifice more than men to get a decent career in tennis and that should be paid accordingly. And btw women had best of 5 in the WTA finals for some time.
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
The fact that women must sacrifice more than men to get a decent career in tennis and that should be paid accordingly. And btw women had best of 5 in the WTA finals for some time.
I'm not sure what you mean by this... are you referring to delaying having a child? This is a serious question.
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
Its probably what he means. Male players don't have to take 1+ year off when they have kids.
Then it's a bogus argument.. the average age of a college educated woman giving birth to their first child is 30. More women go to college and more women get advanced degrees now.... They are getting married and having kids later in life.

Most WTA tennis pros are wrapping up their careers around 30 (maybe a bit later if they play doubles). When it comes to starting a family, they are not sacrificing all that much more than a woman who goes to college.

Also playing on the WTA tour is a choice... They are not forced to do so. There are many girls who at a very young age are forced to work, take care of their family, etc...

I'm not shedding any tears for the WTA.
 
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