Enough about the scheduling and how its unfair to Nadal

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Defcon

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All you Nadal fans keep whining and moaning about how he has to play 3 days in a row, how he had to do the same at Wimbledon etc etc. It's getting ridiculous.

Its his own damn fault - for taking so long to finish a match, just standing around doing his rituals, and for not being able to finish off opponents. I remember clearly at Wimbledon Federer would come out, look at the skies and decide to win the match in a hurry before the rain. Nadal would spend 1min between serves and 5 sets to beat a noname. And the schedule is what it is, its decided based on seedings.

If Nadal was good enough to be #1 (read not skipped Wimbledon due to dubious injury) he would be enjoying a 2 day rest. Besides, he's supposedly the fittest player on tour, so why does he care?

It all about who is good enough to win on that day. Nadal fans are so irrational, they already have a host of excuses lined up - the injuries, the draw, the scheduling.
 
No way Nadal would be able to finish Gonzo off quickly, especially in 35 mph winds. It's annoying to see complaining about it but it is definitely a hindrance for both players going into the next round with Del Po getting a ton of rest and less mental strain.
 
If nadal/gonzo play 3 days in a row every single newspaper article written about the final will mention that they were at a disadvantage. Pretty simple.
 
bolo said:
If nadal/gonzo play 3 days in a row every single newspaper article written about the final will mention that they were at a disadvantage. Pretty simple.
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When juan carlos ferro lost to roddick a few years ago in the finals they never mentioned he played 4 straight days with two cracked ribs
 
The press doesn't report news. Their job is to create 'stories' and sell papers.

But the tennis fans on this board should know better and its getting tiresome with all these conspiracy theories and complaining.
 
Breaker said:
No way Nadal would be able to finish Gonzo off quickly, especially in 35 mph winds. It's annoying to see complaining about it but it is definitely a hindrance for both players going into the next round with Del Po getting a ton of rest and less mental strain.
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Interestingly, in the post match presser, Soderling said it was well windy during his match against Federer, and in the first two sets, he said Federer was playing far better than anyone Soderling had ever played in that kind of windy conditions.

I truly think that if weather is a threat, Federer actually goes out of his way to try to finish the match fast. No experimenting with the occasional serve n volley, no playing cute points. You can see the focus in his far crisper footwork and constant pressuring off the opponent's serve, which was the case against Soderling.
 
Edberg played 4 days in a row when he won the USO in 1992. And he was 3 yrs older than Nadal is now.

Further he played 2 five setters (including a 5 hr 26 min. SF against Chang) on consecutive days before he played the final against Sampras.

Thursday - completed his 4th rd against Krajicek
Friday - played his 5-set QF against Lendl
Sat. - played a 5 hr 26 min. 5-setter against Chang
Sun. - played Sampras in the Final.

And we didn't hear anything from him or from the press about it being unfair.
 
Defcon said:
All you Nadal fans keep whining and moaning about how he has to play 3 days in a row, how he had to do the same at Wimbledon etc etc. It's getting ridiculous.

Its his own damn fault - for taking so long to finish a match, just standing around doing his rituals, and for not being able to finish off opponents. I remember clearly at Wimbledon Federer would come out, look at the skies and decide to win the match in a hurry before the rain. Nadal would spend 1min between serves and 5 sets to beat a noname. And the schedule is what it is, its decided based on seedings.

If Nadal was good enough to be #1 (read not skipped Wimbledon due to dubious injury) he would be enjoying a 2 day rest. Besides, he's supposedly the fittest player on tour, so why does he care?

It all about who is good enough to win on that day. Nadal fans are so irrational, they already have a host of excuses lined up - the injuries, the draw, the scheduling.
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nadal and gonzo both played quickly last night, and the extra fourty minutes early start meant nothing when hours of rain were aleady bearing down...both guys got screwed and it's happened to nadal at three majors in the last three years
 
shakes1975 said:
Edberg played 4 days in a row when he won the USO in 1992. And he was 3 yrs older than Nadal is now.

Further he played 2 five setters (including a 5 hr 26 min. SF against Chang) on consecutive days before he played the final against Sampras.

Thursday - completed his 4th rd against Krajicek
Friday - played his 5-set QF against Lendl
Sat. - played a 5 hr 26 min. 5-setter against Chang
Sun. - played Sampras in the Final.

And we didn't hear anything from him or from the press about it being unfair.
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That's because Edberg is a stud!
 
shakes1975 said:
Edberg played 4 days in a row when he won the USO in 1992. And he was 3 yrs older than Nadal is now.

Further he played 2 five setters (including a 5 hr 26 min. SF against Chang) on consecutive days before he played the final against Sampras.

Thursday - completed his 4th rd against Krajicek
Friday - played his 5-set QF against Lendl
Sat. - played a 5 hr 26 min. 5-setter against Chang
Sun. - played Sampras in the Final.

And we didn't hear anything from him or from the press about it being unfair.
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but do you agree that its a disadvantage?
 
shakes1975 said:
Edberg played 4 days in a row when he won the USO in 1992. And he was 3 yrs older than Nadal is now.

Further he played 2 five setters (including a 5 hr 26 min. SF against Chang) on consecutive days before he played the final against Sampras.

Thursday - completed his 4th rd against Krajicek
Friday - played his 5-set QF against Lendl
Sat. - played a 5 hr 26 min. 5-setter against Chang
Sun. - played Sampras in the Final.

And we didn't hear anything from him or from the press about it being unfair.
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Because he was Stefan Edberg he was the greatest sportsman ever. Edberg was a class act. Seriously nobody is nearly as classy as he was. When did you ever go man Stefan Edberg is a jerk! NEVER!
 
Defcon said:
All you Nadal fans keep whining and moaning about how he has to play 3 days in a row, how he had to do the same at Wimbledon etc etc. It's getting ridiculous.

Its his own damn fault - for taking so long to finish a match, just standing around doing his rituals, and for not being able to finish off opponents. I remember clearly at Wimbledon Federer would come out, look at the skies and decide to win the match in a hurry before the rain. Nadal would spend 1min between serves and 5 sets to beat a noname. And the schedule is what it is, its decided based on seedings.

If Nadal was good enough to be #1 (read not skipped Wimbledon due to dubious injury) he would be enjoying a 2 day rest. Besides, he's supposedly the fittest player on tour, so why does he care?

It all about who is good enough to win on that day. Nadal fans are so irrational, they already have a host of excuses lined up - the injuries, the draw, the scheduling.
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well well we have another guy whos doesnt know anything abt scheduling and the unfair rest between top half and bottom half ..

Heres wilander's opinion as well

Mats' Musings: Schedule, rain work against Nadal
By Mats Wilander

Editor's note: Former world No. 1 and seven-time Grand Slam champion Mats Wilander is writing exclusively for Yahoo! Sports throughout the U.S. Open. The 1988 U.S. Open champ breaks down who's hot and who's not, offering his thoughts courtesy of Lacoste.

I have never been a fan of the scheduling system at the U.S. Open - but you can bet that Rafael Nadal is even less enamored with it.
Nadal's quarterfinal was interrupted Thursday night when the New York heavens opened, meaning he will now have to play on three consecutive days if he wants to win the U.S. Open.
There is nothing the organizers can do about the weather, but the order of play was already skewed too heavily in favor of the players in the top half of the men's field, in this case Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic.
The players understand the way things are and have come to terms with the fact that the semifinal and final are played on back-to-back days.
Sadly, there have been occasions when it has affected the outcome of the tournament. I witnessed this firsthand in 1985, when I extended John McEnroe to a long five-setter in the semifinal.
McEnroe was a shadow of his normal self against Ivan Lendl the next day, and slipped to a straight-sets defeat in the final.
That sparked the realization that players need to be incredibly fit to be able to win majors and that is the way it should be.
But I feel that the way things are done at the U.S. Open really plays into the hands of Federer, whose style of play takes far less out of him physically than Nadal.
I like the system used at the French Open and Wimbledon, which has far more equality and guarantees that the finalists are competing on a level playing field.
 
Defcon said:
Its his own damn fault - for taking so long to finish a match, just standing around doing his rituals, and for not being able to finish off opponents. I remember clearly at Wimbledon Federer would come out, look at the skies and decide to win the match in a hurry before the rain. Nadal would spend 1min between serves and 5 sets to beat a noname. And the schedule is what it is, its decided based on seedings.
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People around here are talking about the match in hand not Nadal's long matches in general. Yes,Nadal takes longer to finish off no-names than Federer but in this case,Gonzales isn't a no-name.Soderling wasn't a no-name yesterday and it took Fed 2 and a half hours to finish him even though he handed Sod a bagel.

Was it Nadal's fault that they had to stop play because of rain? It was pretty windy when they started and after almost 2 sets the rain started. I'm pretty sure Nadal's match didn't take that long until they suspended play and you have to remember that they were 2 closely contested sets,in which case matches last longer.
 
Its not Nadal's fault, its a disadvantage, but it is NOT unfair, and in no way puts an asterix or question mark over the title.

Super Saturday has claimed many victims, Nadal is not the 1st or last, he's not special. Yet I don't see any fuss made about the other players who had to endure it.
 
Yes but the field of players was weaker then, and the racquets were different, and the men wore shorter shorts. So you really can't compare.

shakes1975 said:
Edberg played 4 days in a row when he won the USO in 1992. And he was 3 yrs older than Nadal is now.

Further he played 2 five setters (including a 5 hr 26 min. SF against Chang) on consecutive days before he played the final against Sampras.

Thursday - completed his 4th rd against Krajicek
Friday - played his 5-set QF against Lendl
Sat. - played a 5 hr 26 min. 5-setter against Chang
Sun. - played Sampras in the Final.

And we didn't hear anything from him or from the press about it being unfair.
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Defcon said:
Its not Nadal's fault, its a disadvantage, but it is NOT unfair, and in no way puts an asterix or question mark over the title.

Super Saturday has claimed many victims, Nadal is not the 1st or last, he's not special. Yet I don't see any fuss made about the other players who had to endure it.
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it's not saturday, it is unfair, and it will be remembered that three of four players got an advantage...gonzo is being screwed here too, but nobody has been more affected by weather late in slams than nadal, three in three years
 
RalphNYC said:
Yes but the field of players was weaker then, and the racquets were different, and the men wore shorter shorts. So you really can't compare.
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The fed haters will love this one :twisted: Their entire argument rests on the theory that Fed is playing in a clown era.
 
marc45 said:
it's not saturday, it is unfair, and it will be remembered that three of four players got an advantage...gonzo is being screwed here too, but nobody has been more affected by weather late in slams than nadal, three in three years
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:confused: The whole things due to SS. If USO was like any other slam then SF would be on Fri and Nadal-Gonzo on Wed, no need to play 3 days in a row. In other slams like I said most of the trouble is of his own making.

And no one is going to remember this. All history remembers is the winner.
 
Yes, it would be a disadvantage for Nadal to be playing in the final having played the previous two days as well. But, it really doesn't matter if:

* Nadal loses to Gonzo
* Nadal loses to Delpo
* Rain delays cause there to be additional days skipped between QF / SF / F

So let's wait and see before we proclaim the injustice of it all.

Plus there is a flip side:

Nadal may be benefitting from the delay with his stomach injury. So maybe without the deplay he loses to Gonzo, and with the delay he is able to win? Of course we will never know what would have happened without the delay...
 
Defcon said:
:confused: The whole things due to SS. If USO was like any other slam then SF would be on Fri and Nadal-Gonzo on Wed, no need to play 3 days in a row. In other slams like I said most of the trouble is of his own making.

And no one is going to remember this. All history remembers is the winner.
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This is quite true. No one will remember this. I wouldn't have remembered Edberg's run in 92 if I weren't such a huge fan.
 
marc45 said:
it's not saturday, it is unfair, and it will be remembered that three of four players got an advantage...gonzo is being screwed here too, but nobody has been more affected by weather late in slams than nadal, three in three years
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Really? When was the third time? Wimbledon 2007 and USO this year I know of.

Anyway Fed had to play a 2 day match against Agass in in USO 2004(they played in most horrible conditions I've ever seen),still didn't stop him from double bageling Hewitt in the final.
 
average joe said:
The OP Defcon is ridiculous. I suppose he is a blind Federer fan.
Yes it's Nadal's fault that they schedule his match the last again in night sesion when heavy rain is expected and it's his fault that it starts raining after winning the first set against a very good player, like if someone could beat Gonzalez in that time. For your information Federer, Djokovic and Del Potro needed 4 sets, Federer almost 5 to win their matches but they were not scheduled to play when rain was expected.

So yes Nadal and Gonzalez were screwed, same as Nadal and Murray last year. Federer fans who can't accept this are simply ignorant fanboys.
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Nadal wasn't disadvantaged by weather at USO last year because he didn't reach the final,he lost in semis.You could say it affected Murray in the final but not Nadal because he didn't reach it.
 
zagor said:
Nadal wasn't disadvantaged by weather at USO last year because he didn't reach the final,he lost in semis.You could say it affected Murray in the final but not Nadal because he didn't reach it.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, where do you get off coming in here telling the truth and using logic?
 
edberg505 said:
This is quite true. No one will remember this. I wouldn't have remembered Edberg's run in 92 if I weren't such a huge fan.
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maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling they people back then had to deal with a lot of unfair and difficult situations. I didn't watch tennis then, but I wonder if people whined as much as they do now.
 
icedevil0289 said:
maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling they people back then had to deal with a lot of unfair and difficult situations. I didn't watch tennis then, but I wonder if people whined as much as they do now.
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Having watched tennis for over 30 years myself, I can assure you that the players have had to deal with difficult situations during all of these years, but indeed, like you say, there was a lot LESS whinage. Of course, back at those times, there was no internet around, but on the whole I get the impression that in those days, whining was just considered more of a no-no. The "Deal With It!"-approach was most definitely more common than it is nowadays.
 
icedevil0289 said:
maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling they people back then had to deal with a lot of unfair and difficult situations. I didn't watch tennis then, but I wonder if people whined as much as they do now.
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You do realize there was no anonymous internet then right?

Life was quite different in 92. It's almost strange to think how different things were.
 
Defcon said:
And the schedule is what it is, its decided based on seedings.

If Nadal was good enough to be #1 (read not skipped Wimbledon due to dubious injury) he would be enjoying a 2 day rest.
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I'm sorry but this is patenly FALSE. Scheduling is NOT based on seeding. It's based on the USTA/CBS/ESPN. Basically whatever half of the draw Andy Roddick falls in will play first thus getting 2 days off before the SF. That's why Fed played on the first Monday, because he was in the same half of the draw as Roddick.
 
fedfan08 said:
I'm sorry but this is patenly FALSE. Scheduling is NOT based on seeding. It's based on the USTA/CBS/ESPN. Basically whatever half of the draw Andy Roddick falls in will play first thus getting 2 days off before the SF. That's why Fed played on the first Monday, because he was in the same half of the draw as Roddick.
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Dude what? Scheduling IS based on seeding. The top half (number 1's half) goes first.

Did you actually just say the US Open scheduling is based on Andy Roddick? That's hilarious.
 
Rain delays and rain outs suck, but Nadal's not the first, nor will he be the last player to be negatively impacted by it. And last time I checked he was playing against someone. Not sure why all the tears are for Nadal and no one gives a toss about Gonzo.
 
Fool OP

Nadal is sitting here today with a task of winning 2.5 matches over 3 days, against 3 very tough players. Why? Because the tourney organizers started Thursday with 2 doubles matches which few care about. Nadals gurelling style has done nothing but help him this tourney. He was able to out tire the crap out of Monfils, and has been making some great gets against Gonzo.
 
fedfan08 said:
Rain delays and rain outs suck, but Nadal's not the first, nor will he be the last player to be negatively impacted by it. And last time I checked he was playing against someone. Not sure why all the tears are for Nadal and no one gives a toss about Gonzo.
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1. In theory, Nadals injury should not be as much a factor... although im merely assuming its not that bad,

2. Nadal is up a set on Gonzo

3. Despite the age gap, Nadal has way more experience in dealing with weather late in slams

4. Nadal is the overall superior tennis player
 
I kind of feel like Gonzalez is not getting calls out there. I mean there was some times where he was hitting the chalkline and the linesman were calling OUT. I mean there has to be some explanation for this. Does everyone want Nadal to win this match?
 
If Gonzo can play with some patience (the plan Stefanki gave him) he has a chance. There's a fine balance playing Nadal - you have to cut down on your errors but also force the issue and make him pay for the moonballs, the bad returns and the slow serves. And own the net. Its a proven formula - Youzhny, Berdych, Gonzo himself, Soderling have all done it.
 
Defcon said:
If Gonzo can play with some patience (the plan Stefanki gave him) he has a chance. There's a fine balance playing Nadal - you have to cut down on your errors but also force the issue and make him pay for the moonballs, the bad returns and the slow serves. And own the net. Its a proven formula - Youzhny, Berdych, Gonzo himself, Soderling have all done it.
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So far Gonzalez is having to work harder relative to his normal level to hold serve. I agree about being patient. Several times he smacked a few huge forehands in a row only to see them coming back then on the next shot the ball sailed out or into the net as he lost form trying to hit even harder. I don't know what he's going to do? Resign himself to having to grind it out a bit but still hit hard with his safety margins or hit even harder.
 
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