espn's chris fowler's comments

Just tuned in to the Federer/Wawrinka match...Chris Fowler from ESPN was going on and on about Wawrinka's lack of effort and implied that this phenomenon (giving up/not competing) is prevalent in the men's game. Anyone agree with this? Any thoughts?
 

Seany

Banned
I was about to make a thread about this.

Seriously what in the hell are they talking about, they love making an issue out of nothing. Wawrinka not competing never even crossed my mind, he was showing frustration and Fed was just outplaying him, jeez Fowler was really laying into him for absolutely nothing...

What a D O U C H E
 
Disagree with Fowler.

He is just being the classic "mouth" announcer, say extreme things. Everything is the best and worst ever! Run off from the sports he usually covers, college football. Plus what does he really know about tennis?

Surely anyone competing in tennis knows what it feels like to get schooled by players at your level. You can't just "try" harder and it all comes back together. Stan was so rattled and Fed was on him so fast.

What can you do, call a time out and start re-planning?
 

H. Ju

New User
It's not the first time to hear some *** **** from the commentators. It's been long since I ignored those.
 
Ohh, I usually write ESPN on the good and bad things they do for each tourny, this one bothered me enough I might add it. It is reallythe fact he has no idea what he is talking about.
 
Wawrinka played much more competitive against Roddick, and I just think Wawrinka set the bar for himself. That didn't happen against Federer, maybe that's why the announcers are not impressed.

But great players do make adjustments. Just last night, David Ferrer was in trouble against the big Canadian, and then Ferrer figured him out in the 2nd set and never looked back.
 

SundayDuffer

New User
I agreed with Fowler.

This is not the Wawrinka I watched two matches ago. The level of tennis was electric, high, and professional. This match? None. "tanking" is the most disrespectful act as a professional of any sports. And this match equates to TANK.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
Gilbert, Mcenroe, and Fowler are such drama queens. They kept mentioning that Federer shot Wawrinka a "look" to signal his dismay with Wawrinka's playing effort. They also claimed that Roger was "disappointed" with his countrymen for smashing a racquet.

They were on serious mescaline during the match.
 

SStrikerR

Hall of Fame
You guys realize that if announcers didn't say anything that people disagreed with, they wouldn't have a job? If they stated the obvious, there would be nothing to discuss. That's the point.
 

monique s

Rookie
Gilbert, Mcenroe, and Fowler are such drama queens. They kept mentioning that Federer shot Wawrinka a "look" to signal his dismay with Wawrinka's playing effort. They also claimed that Roger was "disappointed" with his countrymen for smashing a racquet.

They were on serious mescaline during the match.


They put words in the player's mouth or tell us what the player is thinking. They are the worst.....often they ask the player in the interview, if that's what he was thinking and it never is. They are full of themselves...people watching often take their comments as gospels and it makes a chain and you hear people saying the same things as the commentators. It is not always the truth.And they talk nonstop....do not even stop when play resume. Tonight, they were at their worst. I told BG on Twitter to tell Fowler to stop asking so many questions during play and told him to shut up during play.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
They put words in the player's mouth or tell us what the player is thinking. They are the worst.....often they ask the player in the interview, if that's what he was thinking and it never is. They are full of themselves...people watching often take their comments as gospels and it makes a chain and you hear people saying the same things as the commentators. It is not always the truth.And they talk nonstop....do not even stop when play resume. Tonight, they were at their worst. I told BG on Twitter to tell Fowler to stop asking so many questions during play and told him to shut up during play.
Yep, I agree monique. good post. Fowler is quite judgmental. It was a very poor performance for Wawrinka, but Fowler made it seem like Stan was not even worthy of being alive.
 

TennisDawg

Hall of Fame
Chris Fowler was very annoying. Why would Wawrinki not be trying to compete? Federer has his number and has more game than Monfils and Roddick. The most telling comment was when Patrick M. pointed out how Federer jumped all over any short ball and any chip return, something Andy couldn't/wouldn't do. Federer immediately striking and attacking any weak ball puts the best players on the defense.
Now, I have to listen to Dick Enberg, please retire, please go find something else to do! Hasn't he been a tennis commentator since tennis was played with white balls and they walked onto the court holding 3 tennis rackets wearing canvas tennis shoes??
 

monique s

Rookie
I think when you play vs Fed, it usually happens...they cannot do anything. Fed never had any trouble to beat him. It is always the match up....Fed has trouble with Simon but not Stan. He could not play his game. Just like with Andy the other night, nothing worked for him, not even his serve. I hope it is not a Fed/Nadal final again. Dolgo vs Murray would be great with Dolgo winning.
 

monique s

Rookie
Chris Fowler was very annoying. Why would Wawrinki not be trying to compete? Federer has his number and has more game than Monfils and Roddick. The most telling comment was when Patrick M. pointed out how Federer jumped all over any short ball and any chip return, something Andy couldn't/wouldn't do. Federer immediately striking and attacking any weak ball puts the best players on the defense.
Now, I have to listen to Dick Enberg, please retire, please go find something else to do! Hasn't he been a tennis commentator since tennis was played with white balls and they walked onto the court holding 3 tennis rackets wearing canvas tennis shoes??

Right, he was trying but Fed was too good. But it was a very boring match, except for a few fantastic shots by Fed, not Fed fan but he played very well.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
I think when you play vs Fed, it usually happens...they cannot do anything. Fed never had any trouble to beat him. It is always the match up....Fed has trouble with Simon but not Stan. He could not play his game. Just like with Andy the other night, nothing worked for him, not even his serve. I hope it is not a Fed/Nadal final again. Dolgo vs Murray would be great with Dolgo winning.
Dolgo is the most exciting player I have seen since Del Potro in 2009. He has serious game.
 

HunterST

Hall of Fame
I wonder how much tennis Fowler has played. Most tennis players can empathize with that situation where you're getting your butt kicked and you know you're just plain outmatched. That doesn't mean you're not trying, it just means you can't get anything going.
 
I wonder how much tennis Fowler has played. Most tennis players can empathize with that situation where you're getting your butt kicked and you know you're just plain outmatched. That doesn't mean you're not trying, it just means you can't get anything going.

if you had listened to Fowler you would have heard that he admitted that he does not play tennis

but that doesn't mean he can't commentate the sport. he does his homework, he is professional commentator, he does a great job at college football and basketball too, even did the world cup, i respect him and his job
 

Seany

Banned
if you had listened to Fowler you would have heard that he admitted that he does not play tennis

but that doesn't mean he can't commentate the sport. he does his homework, he is professional commentator, he does a great job at college football and basketball too, even did the world cup, i respect him and his job

You respect that he pretty much mocked Wawrinka, with no legitimate reason, it's shameful the things he was saying about him, and he was saying it with such disgust in his tone of voice.

Do you think he would say that to Wawrinka's face? You know full well he wouldn't, he loves talking smack to satisfy his own ego.
 

NLBwell

Legend
Fowler has learned a lot about tennis since he began commentating. I blame Patrick McEnroe since he is the one who started the "tanking" conversation. Wawrinka was completely outplayed, but I don't think the tanked the match. He did change his strategy some during the match, trying to be more consistent after trying to attack earlier, but that was plan B since it is a pretty hopeless plan for Wawrinka vs. Fed. He didn't have faith that anything would work and knew it was hopeless today. Being totally and completely beaten isn't the same as tanking.
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
fowler isn't nearly so dismissive when he does college football. in fact, he tends to defer to the other gameday guys who have either coached or played at that level. there is quite a bit of banter back and forth between them, but they always show respect to the players on the field.

that's what bugs me about his tennis commentary. i like him so much on gameday, but i can't stand him during the slams. he's such a kiss-*ss to the players (though he has gotten a lot better at this). but it's like he thinks he's a little too cool for words. i think that's just from hanging out with pmac and gilbert. they all think they are so cute with their little nicknames and whatnot. like they have their fingers on the pulse of everything tennis, and aren't we just so lucky if they share some their knowledge with us!

i hate that fowler (of all of them) has the nerve to criticize and make fun of players who are playing at a level he could only dream about. he has no idea what it takes to get to this level, and it galls me that he thinks he can poke fun at players when they make bad shots or play bad matches. as if he knows anything.

you don't hear commentators in other sports laugh and giggle when athletes make mistakes or botch plays. can you imagine a commentator chuckling when a batter strikes out, a receiver drops a sure touchdown pass, a basketball player makes a crucial turnover, or a striker misses a penalty shot? it doesn't happen cos it's unprofessional. they may roll their eyes in the booth or say something off-air, but never on air. the joke cracking is reserved for us in our living rooms.
 

Sadyv

Rookie
When players have clearly quite on themselves or their team, like Stan did, yes indeed, you do hear them criticized. Typically much more than a tennis player would, due to the lesser media attention tennis gets.
 

rk_sports

Hall of Fame
Yep, I agree monique. good post. Fowler is quite judgmental. It was a very poor performance for Wawrinka, but Fowler made it seem like Stan was not even worthy of being alive.

LOL! that was funny mate... I like Fowler in general, but I agree to a certain extent that he just make it sound more worse than it is

best part of match when fowler said


"STAN THE TOMATO CAN"

LOL!! He did not say that!!!!! did he? OMG!!! :shock:
 

fedfan08

Professional
Yep, I agree monique. good post. Fowler is quite judgmental. It was a very poor performance for Wawrinka, but Fowler made it seem like Stan was not even worthy of being alive.
This. OK I get they probably expected more from Stan, especially considering how they hyped him up after he beat Roddick. But Fowler's an a** for suggesting Stan was tanking or not trying hard enough. Roger Federer is not Andy Roddick. And Stan probably had a bit of a letdown after the clean kill against Roddick. It happens.
 
if you had listened to Fowler you would have heard that he admitted that he does not play tennis

but that doesn't mean he can't commentate the sport. he does his homework, he is professional commentator, he does a great job at college football and basketball too, even did the world cup, i respect him and his job

He was so bad at the world cup it was amusing.
 

matt.flynn60

New User
I turn the volume off when he is on.
I wish they had the option of muting the commentators and still allowing you to hear the action on the court.
 

stoo

Semi-Pro
I think the worst part about Fowler's comments was that he just kept going on and on about it. Okay, fine, make your point with one or two comments and move on, but his tirade lasted 5 minutes and more and it was like he was more interested in engaging Mac and Brad in a conspiracy of recent tankers in matches etc. Fowler needs to know his place. He's not a tennis expert. He's a commentator. Comment on the current play and the actions on the court without bias.
 

Lefty5

Hall of Fame
Wawrinka got what he deserved. That was a very poor effort. It really did look like an exhibition match for Fed. Thanks to a non-tennis geek like Fowler to call it how he saw it.
 

monique s

Rookie
fowler isn't nearly so dismissive when he does college football. in fact, he tends to defer to the other gameday guys who have either coached or played at that level. there is quite a bit of banter back and forth between them, but they always show respect to the players on the field.

that's what bugs me about his tennis commentary. i like him so much on gameday, but i can't stand him during the slams. he's such a kiss-*ss to the players (though he has gotten a lot better at this). but it's like he thinks he's a little too cool for words. i think that's just from hanging out with pmac and gilbert. they all think they are so cute with their little nicknames and whatnot. like they have their fingers on the pulse of everything tennis, and aren't we just so lucky if they share some their knowledge with us!

i hate that fowler (of all of them) has the nerve to criticize and make fun of players who are playing at a level he could only dream about. he has no idea what it takes to get to this level, and it galls me that he thinks he can poke fun at players when they make bad shots or play bad matches. as if he knows anything.

you don't hear commentators in other sports laugh and giggle when athletes make mistakes or botch plays. can you imagine a commentator chuckling when a batter strikes out, a receiver drops a sure touchdown pass, a basketball player makes a crucial turnover, or a striker misses a penalty shot? it doesn't happen cos it's unprofessional. they may roll their eyes in the booth or say something off-air, but never on air. the joke cracking is reserved for us in our living rooms.
I agree with everything you say....calling Stan tomato can, that is downright disrespectful. But the others are no better. They think their words are gospel and it is the truth. Shame on them. They are there to comment a match not give their personal opinions and just bring a doubt as to that Stan may have tanked, it is just awful saying that....we could see he was trying but there was nothing he could do...Fed was too good. Of course, he could have tried more but I think in this tournament, women are more courageous..."Schiavone" for instance and others who gave their everything. Usually, I do not like women's matches but now, I do. The one who did not try in the 5th set is Tipsarevic. It was flagrant and I do not like the guy.Those commentators are so annoying...talking during play...now Enberg is doing the same thing....never shuts up.What can we do ?????
 

The_Question

Hall of Fame
The thing is...I tuned in ESPN2 to watch a match, didn't tuned in to listen to the commentators yap. It's like going to a concert, I'm there to listen to the singer sing! Didn't paid $50+ to listen to the crowd do a sing-along...

Now some of the matches on ESPN360 is much better cause there were no commentator during the match...
 

cknobman

Legend
I think the worst part about Fowler's comments was that he just kept going on and on about it. Okay, fine, make your point with one or two comments and move on, but his tirade lasted 5 minutes and more and it was like he was more interested in engaging Mac and Brad in a conspiracy of recent tankers in matches etc. Fowler needs to know his place. He's not a tennis expert. He's a commentator. Comment on the current play and the actions on the court without bias.

This is exactly the problem. Sure everyone might have seen it so make your point but dont carry on the better part of an entire set and completely belittle a player over and over again.

Moments like last night make me wonder if there is anyone at ESPN who monitors or even cares what the commentators are saying.

Very low class and shows a lack of integrity and dignity on Fowlers part.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
Oh I think Fowler knows a LOT about tennis and the top players.. Makes some people here mad when he tells it like it is. wawrinka did lack effort ...sorry guys, when he got to several of those short balls he did nothing with them. I Specifically remember him having a s hort ball and plenty of time to hit it hard right at fed (who was close to the net) or try to rip it somewhere and he did nothing but punch it back. Yes..he got there with plenty of time but was very lacks when he did. Not saying he was consciously giving up but the fire was WAAAAAAAAAY gone.

I think people underestimate Fowlers professionalism in doing his homework on both the game and personalities. this guy did not just get off the football bus. I watched the same match he did and pretty much thought the same thing but I would not have said it...because I don't have his job. Did you hear BG and what he said??? Basically the same thing.....the guy's heart was not in the match.....I am sorry, the fight was gone when he realized that Fed was on task. I have not seen it often and I like stan on the court and his game..but lst night...he threw in the towel....the fire was gone.
 

BrooklynNY

Hall of Fame
I agreed with Fowler.

This is not the Wawrinka I watched two matches ago. The level of tennis was electric, high, and professional. This match? None. "tanking" is the most disrespectful act as a professional of any sports. And this match equates to TANK.


I agree. Stan the Man... so dissapointing. Fed is good. but jeez maybe you can take a set to 4-4 before you give it away.
 

Nastase

Rookie
I just dont like when Fowler says things during a match that are disrespectful or dismissive of players that arent in the top 10....its like he thinks if you arent in the top 10 or top 20 then you arent any good. His use of the word "beat down" is awful. While its true the top 4 or 5 players in the world are head and shoulders above the rest generally, a top 100 pro is not to be dismissed as a loser just because his odds of winning a match (or a major) are slim.
 

sillymonkey

Hall of Fame
I can tolerate Fowler, but Dick Enberg has got to go. He's a senior "Ron Burgundy".
Last nite he said that
Schiavone, even on a good day has sad and tired eyes. Nice.
His flowery comments and tributes are ridiculous.
 
I agree with the above posters, Fowler just went on about it too much and made it his agenda for a set. I wondered if it was sour grapes from the Roddick beat down, sure couldn't think of anything else for so much hating. Saying it once and moving on is fine.

Write ESPN for those that are bothered.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
I don't like Fowler, and think he's out of line all of the time, but last night he got it right. Stan looked scared before the match even began. He's not worthy of being in the top ten if this is the best he's got to give. But then, that's Stan, too inconsistent. You never know what to expect from him, ever. He has the weapons, he just doesn't have the belief.
 

monique s

Rookie
It is not Fowler's job or anyone for that matter to say disrespectful things about players. If he thinks it, keep it to yourself. It is only his opinion after all. The are there to comment a tennis match,not make hurtful remarks. Fowler like to create controservy and he likes to gossip too.....he is always trying to get controversial comments from the other guys. Fed up with them all....just shut up already so we can watch some tennis.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
It is not Fowler's job or anyone for that matter to say disrespectful things about players. If he thinks it, keep it to yourself. It is only his opinion after all. The are there to comment a tennis match,not make hurtful remarks. Fowler like to create controservy and he likes to gossip too.....he is always trying to get controversial comments from the other guys. Fed up with them all....just shut up already so we can watch some tennis.

All true. He makes some very snide and condescending remarks. I don't like his "banter" with BG either. He likes trying to make a fool out of others, but it ends up making him look like the bigger fool.
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
The thing is...I tuned in ESPN2 to watch a match, didn't tuned in to listen to the commentators yap. It's like going to a concert, I'm there to listen to the singer sing! Didn't paid $50+ to listen to the crowd do a sing-along...

Now some of the matches on ESPN360 is much better cause there were no commentator during the match...
agreed. i've watched almost every match on espn3. when i have to settle for espn, i have the volume low enough to make the talking indiscernible.
 

President

Legend
I agree that the Wawrinka bashing was uncalled for, but it wasn't just Fowler. PMac and BG were just as guilty, and they are former pro players. Overall, I think Fowler brings a lot into the commentary box, being somewhat of an outsider as well as a much more experianced broadcaster than people like Cahill, Gilbert, McEnroe, and Shriver. His role is similar to Enberg's, but he's much better at it.
 
Does anyone really want to argue that Wawrinka put forth a strong effort last night?

I like Federer as much as anyone, but come on. Wawrinka just quit after the second set until the last couple games of the 3rd set when he decided he didn't want to go out like that.
 

CStennis11

New User
I wonder how much tennis Fowler has played. Most tennis players can empathize with that situation where you're getting your butt kicked and you know you're just plain outmatched. That doesn't mean you're not trying, it just means you can't get anything going.

He mentioned that he didn't play
 
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