Estimated NTRP level of W60 world no 137?

#1
I am a male 36 years old amateur. I made it all the way to the final of my clubs outdoor B singles championships and I played the world no 137 W60 player and no 1 in Sweden. I won 1st set lost the 2nd and the match was decided in a match tiebreak which I lost.

What could her NTRP level be?
Just curious to know as it may help me estimate my own level.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
#4
Got it.
I am not a fan of guessing games as there is too much info possibly missing.

I would think that based on the age difference (along with strength, speed, etc.) that would put you at 3.5 ish skills to lose a close match to a 60+ female who is likely a 4.5+ range in her age and gender group.
 
#8
I am a male 36 years old amateur. I made it all the way to the final of my clubs outdoor B singles championships and I played the world no 137 W60 player and no 1 in Sweden. I won 1st set lost the 2nd and the match was decided in a match tiebreak which I lost.

What could her NTRP level be?
Just curious to know as it may help me estimate my own level.
If your opponent is number 1 in 60-65 female tennis in Sweden and 137 in the world and you played her a close competitive match; you would likely play competitively against usta 4.0. I think you would win most 3.5 matches handily and you would get better competition at the 4.0 level.

When I was young, I defeated the number one 65 year old in Georgia in city of Atlanta which is a pretty competitive area. I beat him 6-4 6-4. I had only been playing about 4 years and I was playing 4.5 usta a couple of years later. Based on this similar experience, I think 4.0 is good starting level for you and maybe even a little higher.
 
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#9
We have the 2017 world champion M70 player in our club. He beats every 4.0 male in the club, loses to most of the 5.0 men and is competitive with the young 4.5's and top juniors. This is singles.

So I'd suspect the 137th ranked W60 is probably a 4.0.
 
#12
You split sets and lost to a 60+ year old woman in singles? Congrats bro. Cool accomplishment. Can you deadlift the same as her too? Lol.
You don't believe a multiple national champion can play good tennis even if she is a woman and older? I was the only one to win a set off her and she beat a bunch of guys very easily before the final.
 
#13
You don't believe a multiple national champion can play good tennis even if she is a woman and older? I was the only one to win a set off her and she beat a bunch of guys very easily before the final.
No, no. I do believe you. I have seen a lot of really good 60+ year old women digging balls out of the corner and recovering to neutral match after match in tournament play. It would be really tough to hit to one corner and then make them run to the other corner to make them get tired after 10 minutes. I have also seen a lot of 60+ year old women in powerlifting gyms. Strong as an ox. That’s why I asked if you could deadlift as much as her too.
 
#14
No, no. I do believe you. I have seen a lot of really good 60+ year old women digging balls out of the corner and recovering to neutral match after match in tournament play. It would be really tough to hit to one corner and then make them run to the other corner to make them get tired after 10 minutes. I have also seen a lot of 60+ year old women in powerlifting gyms. Strong as an ox. That’s why I asked if you could deadlift as much as her too.
Wow, so much sarcasm shoved into so few sentences.
 
#15
No, no. I do believe you. I have seen a lot of really good 60+ year old women digging balls out of the corner and recovering to neutral match after match in tournament play. It would be really tough to hit to one corner and then make them run to the other corner to make them get tired after 10 minutes. I have also seen a lot of 60+ year old women in powerlifting gyms. Strong as an ox. That’s why I asked if you could deadlift as much as her too.
You are probably being sarcastic but you need to understand the difference between the average 60+ year woman and a multiple national champion and former world number 38 in her age group.

Tennis at rec level is not all about running and strength and I never claimed to be a good player myself. After all I played in the B singles for a reason.
 
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#16
You are probably being sarcastic but you need to understand the difference between the average 60+ year woman and a multiple national champion and former world number 38 in her age group.
He’s got you in an impossible situation. The more you defend losing to an old lady...it’s a vicious cycle. Your best bet is to throw out a “I was tired from playing all night with your mom the night before”, or just turn tail and flee. To be fair, I would have gotten double Bageled.
 
#17
He’s got you in an impossible situation. The more you defend losing to an old lady...it’s a vicious cycle. Your best bet is to throw out a “I was tired from playing all night with your mom the night before”, or just turn tail and flee. To be fair, I would have gotten double Bageled.
No problem I lost to the best woman of her age in my country and I am probably 4.0 player. I don't see any shame in that.
 

Dags

Hall of Fame
#18
Search her name on the UTR website.

Let me know what her UTR is and I will convert it.

J
I was curious, so had a look. She's a 6(P).

She only has two results on there this year: a 4&3 win against a 5(P) and 0&5 win against a 4(P). One other result from 2016, a 3&3 loss against someone who is 5(P). Lack of data may well scupper this conversation.
 
#19
I was curious, so had a look. She's a 6(P).

She only has two results on there this year: a 4&3 win against a 5(P) and 0&5 win against a 4(P). One other result from 2016, a 3&3 loss against someone who is 5(P). Lack of data may well scupper this conversation.
Nice detective work as I didn't give away her name :cool:
What does that (P) stand for?
 

Dags

Hall of Fame
#20
Nice detective work as I didn't give away her name :cool:
Gender, age group, ITF ranking and nationality was all I needed... ;)
What does that (P) stand for?
Projected, in the context of Projected Rating. UTR states it needs 6-10 results within the past 12 months for a rating to be accurate. It also requires some points of reference. For instance, if you gathered 12 players with no previous UTR eligible matches and they all played each other, it would be able to rate the individuals relative to the group, but have no idea where to place them compared to the wider tennis population. So that the player referenced in this thread only has a couple of recorded matches, and those are against players who also have few recorded matches, means that it's a shaky guide to say the least.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
#21
I was curious, so had a look. She's a 6(P).

She only has two results on there this year: a 4&3 win against a 5(P) and 0&5 win against a 4(P). One other result from 2016, a 3&3 loss against someone who is 5(P). Lack of data may well scupper this conversation.
She's a 4.5ish woman as my best guess probably equal to a strong 3.5 or low 4.0 man.

J
 
#23
Sounds like 4.0/4.5 in USA, post a video and you'll get an internet rating session from here--footwork, timing and technique is the name of the game. Good going BTW, whenever you play a number one in anything it will be a good match, even if it may not necessarily be a good match-up according to the computer.
 
#24
You split sets and lost to a 60+ year old woman in singles? Congrats bro. Cool accomplishment. Can you deadlift the same as her too? Lol.
I used to get my butt kicked on a regular basis by a diminutive lady player who'ed been on the pro-tour--muscle has little to do with winning tennis. I could bench press twice her body weight--along with Smith & Wesson, the racquet is the great equalizer.
 
#25
... the racquet is the great equalizer.
Actually fitness is the great equalizer. Unless she is serving 90+ mph and working all corners of the box to dictate play, a legit 30-something 4.0 male should be able to run her side to side and break her down in 15-20 minutes. And that’s not to criticize her, it’s just what it’s like to be 60+ years old.
 
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