Estoril Open FINAL - [8] Del Potro vs [2] Verdasco

Who wins the Title, the € 72,600 and the 250 Pts?


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JM Del Potro is definitely back now.I hope he now will show Rafa, Nole and Fed and Muzza he is a serious contender for the top 5 positions this year ..i like his game and his composure is awesome. Well done.!
 
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JM Del Potro is definitely back now.I hope he now will show Rafa, Nole and Fed and Muzza he is a serious contender for the top 5 positions this year ..i like his game and his composure is awesome. Well done.!
i keep saying....nadal and delpo match of the clay court season this week
 
Good stats from delpo. What's with the UEs for Verdasco?

Clowndasco always tries to hit shots that are beyond his abilities thus alot of errors. This was actually a good day for his low standards. The Monte Carlo final vs Nadal last year is more his normal level.
 
Verdasco bending over for Delpo.

Oh wait, Delpo isn't spanish so it doesn't count.

Verdasco's very limited talented are not enough vs any of the true top 5. He will get destroyed everytime barring the very odd fluke. Has nothing to do with bending over, he simply isnt that good.
 
The 1st serve points won does not look right. I thought the "1st serve points won" stat was the percentage of points won when you get the first serve in only. Shouldn't it be 25/34?

Anyway, the first serve percentage looks great compared to a couple weeks ago, never mind February. It would have been even better without that last service game.
 
Clowndasco only gets 1 or 2 games when he plays Nadal or Federer, why should he be expected to win more than 3 or 4 vs Del Potro or even Murray.
 
Wow, I will stop underestimating Delpo's shape now. Seems like he's alarmingly approaching his best form. Hope he gets ready when he faces Nadal this week.


And that's what I call a kick-ass trophy pose. Go Delpo go!! :)
 
i keep saying....nadal and delpo match of the clay court season this week

I've been saying this for a LONG LONG time now. The only guy who could POTENTIALLY beat a 100% Nadal on clay is Delpo. The guy has the firepower (biggest hitter in the history of the game) and the cojones to stay with Nadal.

I don't know whether it will happen this year or not, but he remains Nadal's biggest threat esp on clay where I wouldn't give guys like DJokovic, Soderling, Murray, Fed much of a chance (assuming Nadal is 100%).

I also see Delpo as a future no #1, the next great player, serial grandslam winner and potentially challenging the slam total of Fed/Sampras/Nadal, assuming he doesn't get injured again.
 
Djokovic is definitely Nadal's biggest threat on clay. Del Potro maybe second, only due to how much Federer has declined especialy on clay.
 
Djokovic is definitely Nadal's biggest threat on clay. Del Potro maybe second, only due to how much Federer has declined especialy on clay.

Djoko faced BPs against Feli today, Rafa would have had him for lunch. Perhaps it's rust, but he better up his game big time if he wants the chance to even face Rafa. I'm starting to buy into the delpo threat more. He's got confidence and he's finding his form.
 
Djokovic is definitely Nadal's biggest threat on clay.

How is a guy who Nadal's beaten more than 10 times on clay (and never lost to) is his biggest threat? The only time Djokovic came close - Madrid 2009 - was when Nadal was injured and in a funk, mentally.

What happened in IW/Miami only convinced me further that Djokovic will be no match for Nadal on clay. In the past he used to be able to dominate Nadal off the baseline, but in IW/Miami he relied more on his consistency and Nadal's form dips to eventually prevail in close matches. Of course that won't happen on clay. The match will be OVER if Nadal wins the 1st set. It will all depend on Rafa - unless he's injured he'll beat Djokovic. Djokovic won't be able to out-grind Rafa on clay (as he did in IW/Miami) and he doesn't have enough firepower to blow Nadal off the court.

Speaking of firepower -Delpo does have it. The problem with Delpo is that people haven't seen him enough on clay. When I saw the F.O 2009 SF between Delpo and Fed, I knew the writing was on the wall, and that the big guy would be a GREAT player on this surface. Fed was outplayed badly in that match, but he won because Delpo's fitness let him down. As Delpo gets fitter and plays more matches on clay, he becomes more of a threat. He's also very strong mentally, and you can count on him delivering in a big match.

We already saw Delpo rounding off today against Verdasco. I won't be surprised if the Argentinian makes it very far in the F.O. We could even see a Nadal-Delpo final, if they land in opposite halves..
 
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I think the FO is a bit early for Del Po but, baring a setback, I expect him to be 100% at the USO.
 
Djoko faced BPs against Feli today, Rafa would have had him for lunch. Perhaps it's rust, but he better up his game big time if he wants the chance to even face Rafa. I'm starting to buy into the delpo threat more. He's got confidence and he's finding his form.

I find it hard to believe that either Djokovic or Del Potro will beat Nadal on clay. I mean who knows for sure, but, I doubt it.
 
Yes, but it was Verdasco he was playing not Nadal.

that's probly cuz Nadal is world no. 1, and delPotro is world no. 46, and those numbers dont often play in the same atp 250

but

come Monday, delPotro w/b world no. 30! :mrgreen:

getting closer to meeting in Paris! :twisted:
 
that's probly cuz Nadal is world no. 1, and delPotro is world no. 46, and those numbers dont often play in the same atp 250

but

come Monday, delPotro w/b world no. 30! :mrgreen:

getting closer to meeting in Paris! :twisted:

Who knows. Anything can happen. I always hate to make predictions because in tennis, things can change quickly. Del Potro is definitely playing well.
 
Madrid, at altitude, is where Nadal would have to worry about Del Potro. With the dry conditions two years ago, they were basically playing on a hard court.

madrid w/b a tuff call for delpo, since he has to play first round and rafa gets a bye ... but if all goes according to expectations, they'll meed in the third round ... I luv delpo to death, but it would be the shock of the season if he was able to beat the king of klay in madrid . . .
 
I find it hard to believe that either Djokovic or Del Potro will beat Nadal on clay. I mean who knows for sure, but, I doubt it.

I think this is the key here, lol. I mean with Rafa, it's always, "well unless ___% Rafa shows up, there is no way _______ will take him out." It's really one match at a time I think. In every tournament this year, he's been streaky, some matches he's played really well, and some quite terrible. So it all depends, how Delpo's feeling coming in, because Nadal is quite well rested and adjusted, and also how Rafa plays. It's bound to be a good match regardless!

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Who knows. Anything can happen. I always hate to make predictions because in tennis, things can change quickly. Del Potro is definitely playing well.

totally agree.
 
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How is a guy who Nadal's beaten more than 10 times on clay (and never lost to) is his biggest threat? The only time Djokovic came close - Madrid 2009 - was when Nadal was injured and in a funk, mentally.

What happened in IW/Miami only convinced me further that Djokovic will be no match for Nadal on clay. In the past he used to be able to dominate Nadal off the baseline, but in IW/Miami he relied more on his consistency and Nadal's form dips to eventually prevail in close matches. Of course that won't happen on clay. The match will be OVER if Nadal wins the 1st set. It will all depend on Rafa - unless he's injured he'll beat Djokovic. Djokovic won't be able to out-grind Rafa on clay (as he did in IW/Miami) and he doesn't have enough firepower to blow Nadal off the court.

Speaking of firepower -Delpo does have it. The problem with Delpo is that people haven't seen him enough on clay. When I saw the F.O 2009 SF between Delpo and Fed, I knew the writing was on the wall, and that the big guy would be a GREAT player on this surface. Fed was outplayed badly in that match, but he won because Delpo's fitness let him down. As Delpo gets fitter and plays more matches on clay, he becomes more of a threat. He's also very strong mentally, and you can count on him delivering in a big match.

We already saw Delpo rounding off today against Verdasco. I won't be surprised if the Argentinian makes it very far in the F.O. We could even see a Nadal-Delpo final, if they land in opposite halves..

Excellent post. I hope it doesn't happen, but definitely can't argue with the great points that you made.
 
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i keep saying....nadal and delpo match of the clay court season this week

Very true. It seems like Sods hits the ball harder, (haven't seen either one of them too recently), but del Po adds more with his game. He plays smarter, stays composed, comes to the net, just a lot of things Robin doesn't do.

That being said, I hope Rafa takes him down.
 
I do not think anyone can seriously threaten Nadal on clay for at least 3-4 more years (occasional losses/injuries are obviously possible).

Del Potro does not run and slide as well, his killer flat forehand is less effective on the slow surface. Another injury is almost inevitable for that awkward oversized guy, and then you can stick a fork in him.

Del Potro challenging Nadal/Djokovic on hard courts is a more realistic hope. This, my friends, would be awesome.
 
Very true. It seems like Sods hits the ball harder, (haven't seen either one of them too recently), but del Po adds more with his game. He plays smarter, stays composed, comes to the net, just a lot of things Robin doesn't do.

Actually Delpo hits the ball significantly harder than Soderling, especially on the forehand. Delpo is probably the biggest hitter in this history of the game.

Soderling is basically a poor man's Delpo. Delpo hits the ball harder, moves better, has a better transition game, better net game, better defense and MOST important cojones thrice the size of Soderling.

The only thing that Soderling might do better than Delpo is the serve. Soderling's serve is hard and flat, and even on clay does not lose much efficacy. This is unique among top players, whose serve is not as much a factor on clay.

Other than that, in everything else, and most importantly in mental strength, Delpo is miles superior to Soderling..
 
How is a guy who Nadal's beaten more than 10 times on clay (and never lost to) is his biggest threat?

LOL if Del Potro had played Nadal on clay 10 times he would have lost 10 times as well. Unlike Djokovic he hasnt been nearly good enough on clay to reach Nadal thus far.

Fact is he has given Nadal his closest matches on clay by far of anyone outside Federer, and Federer is obviously way past his prime, especialy on clay, and no threat to Nadal on that surface atleast any longer.

You overrate Del Potro to a real extreme it seems. Sampras or Federer slam win totals!?!? Biggest hitter ever (ok not as crazy as your other comments on him but still over the top IMO). Of course Del Potro hits extremely hard but your so called biggest hitter ever was outwinnered 18-12 by Verdasco of all people, and a crappy one at that. As for slam wins, if Del Potro even reaches 4 he will have done well, 6 would be a dream career for him.
 
Is it just me or Verdasco not playing as well as he used to ??

Dr. Fedace. you have just noticed something no one has before. you sir, are a true genius and a blessing to this forum!

please tell us more...
 
Dr. Fedace. you have just noticed something no one has before. you sir, are a true genius and a blessing to this forum!

please tell us more...
You too, Sir Gorecki, have just noticed something about the good doctor, that the entire forum has known for several years. Kudos to you for your timely observation !
 
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Herr Sentinel. i am so sorry for not having noticed it earlier despite having commented on such random acts of Kindness by the good doctor since my early days in ttw . of course you understand that i have not been blessed with the chance of growing to watch Mickey Mousol and other geniuses of the caliber of Father Basquiat Glory and Shazam Ikea...

and again pardon any evetual grammar errors as i am sure your Portuguese is much better than my English!

You too, Sir Gorecki, have just noticed something about the good doctor, that the entire forum has known for several years. Kudos to you for your timely observation !
 
ROFL x spicy samosas

Herr Sentinel. i am so sorry for not having noticed it earlier despite having commented on such random acts of Kindness by the good doctor since my early days in ttw . of course you understand that i have not been blessed with the chance of growing to watch Mickey Mousol and other geniuses of the caliber of Father Basquiat Glory and Shazam Ikea...

and again pardon any evetual grammar errors as i am sure your Portuguese is much better than my English!
Please Sir. It is Sunny Deol, not Runny Noseol, or Honey Rambol or Mickey Mousol. Your knowledge of Indian culture is appalling! ksbh will be very hurt with your misspelling his hero, Sonny's name.
 
Actually Delpo hits the ball significantly harder than Soderling, especially on the forehand. Delpo is probably the biggest hitter in this history of the game.

Soderling is basically a poor man's Delpo. Delpo hits the ball harder, moves better, has a better transition game, better net game, better defense and MOST important cojones thrice the size of Soderling.

The only thing that Soderling might do better than Delpo is the serve. Soderling's serve is hard and flat, and even on clay does not lose much efficacy. This is unique among top players, whose serve is not as much a factor on clay.

Other than that, in everything else, and most importantly in mental strength, Delpo is miles superior to Soderling..

I can agree with your post. But, Sod does seem to hit harder than del Po, to me.
 
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