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Who is in the wrong in the posted video, Serena for her response or Sarapova's aim


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You played those points competitively, in my opinion, but not in the most sportsmanlike manner. I have been on the receiving and the giving end of such shots. On the very rare occasion that I was dealing out the pain, I did so in order to send a message. My opponent had been storming the net in a very showy manner, not tiptoeing or sneaking in but very much stomping and dragging his feet on his way in, as if trying to rattle me into attempting a low percentage pass. Of course the pass was my initial reaction and I made a few pass attempts with varying degrees of success. But once I became convinced that his intent was only to draw an unforced error, then I went at his body once or twice though not violently or aggressively but only hard enough to make him think twice about his tactic of loudly disrupting me...he may as well have been shouting, jumping up and down and waving his arms in an exaggerated way while I was hitting my rally balls, because that's how disruptive his foot stomping and shuffling had become. To underscore my point, I did not feel very sporting afterward, but tennis is sometimes like a game of chess, and I would never make all kinds of noise obviously meant to distract my opponent while it was his turn to move and he was contemplating his options.
 
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:lol: I don't think either Sharapova or Serena are in the wrong being professionals and all.

You, the OP, on the other hand have issues
 
Serena was mad about getting hit but seriously shriekapova did not aim for her at all. You go running to the dead center of the court when someone has an overhead they gotta reach back to get odds are its coming right at you.



In tennis especially people are really soft. It is the sport that people play to be gentlemen not fierce competitors. Its just they way it goes. You got men playing that really have no business calling themselves men. Its what happens when you have a sport that has zero contact in it and a history of uppity country club players. Its the elitist sport that is above all that stuff other sports do.

1} agree

2} Sorry, I disagree with that assessment. I don't want to injure my opponent, and if I ever DID hit one hard enough to send him to the hospital, I'd feel terrible and never do something similar again. The reason I hit it at the net man is cause I know it can't injure him and it will give free[er] points. Not to hurt him; your approach is wrong.

Btw, people have died from tennis matches, just so you don't think it isn't too bloodless.
 
For me, it really depends on the situation. If we are winning and outclass our opponents, I won't go after the person at net, and I feel strange about going after the woman at net in mixed doubles, even if it is competitive. I never have purposefully aimed an overhead at a person, though I've accidentally hit people many times. Also, I will target feet if I'm doing well.

Against better teams it is always dangerous to head hunt as they will return the favor. People get hit in aggressive doubles, but actually targeting someone is usually something I avoid.

Another thing I forgot to mention. If my opponents are good enough to get free points hitting it at me constantly, I'm not gonna provoke them. That's just stupidity.
 
Doubles is about aggression and controlling space on the court, if you let the net man dictate your shot selection just by positioning you are making a mistake.

Make this player prove he has the net skills to dictate with his positioning before you allow him to control half the court.

If he doesn't have the reactions and skill to play close to the net you should hit right at him hard and force him back to the baseline.

Don't concede space just because this player is standing close to the net make them prove they can control that space first.

Same thing with an overhead in singles, if someone runs in front of you and gets hit thats their problem. That is basically what Serena did against Sharapova in that video.
 
wow okay i was watching the latest fed cup wta rubber 5 match. this time i was strictly watching for the subject of this thread and guess what. these women went after each other every chance that they got. most of the lifted balls were returned at the opponent net player albeit somewhere at their feet. short balls were hit directly at the net player. smashes were also hit AT the opposing player or at least in their vicinity. i had never noticed this before until this thread. now i am blown away by how professionals actually attack each other.

very revealing stuff.
 
exactly, if the ball had no chance of staying in, just duck. sheesh, this is not rocket science.

If it were that easy, Lendl would never have been able to hit anybody.

Not sure they ever actually hit me, don't remember being hit without at least getting a bit of racket on it (it was a long time ago), just didn't like them targeting me instead of (not as a way of) trying to win the point.
 
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If it were that easy, Lendl would never have been able to hit anybody.

Not sure they ever actually hit me, don't remember being hit without at least getting a bit of racket on it (it was a long time ago), just didn't like them targeting me instead of (not as a way of) trying to win the point.

Those shots of Lendl's were not going long like the ones you are talking about.
 
How about working on your game so that you don't have to risk people's safety in order to win?

This ^^^^^^

Working the net man has to be part of your game. If the net man is not worried about you abusing him on short balls then you are not doing your job. However contunually targeting him is counter productive. Send him a message ... keep him home once or twice ... but to try and hurt him because you cannot hit the open court suggests you should not be on the court at all.
 
2} Sorry, I disagree with that assessment. I don't want to injure my opponent, and if I ever DID hit one hard enough to send him to the hospital, I'd feel terrible and never do something similar again. The reason I hit it at the net man is cause I know it can't injure him and it will give free[er] points. Not to hurt him; your approach is wrong.

Did I say my intention is to hurt them?

I believe the intention is to back them off the net and win more points. If they get hurt well to bad but its not the intention.

Btw, people have died from tennis matches, just so you don't think it isn't too bloodless.

This is such a weak argument.

Not sure they ever actually hit me, don't remember being hit without at least getting a bit of racket on it (it was a long time ago), just didn't like them targeting me instead of (not as a way of) trying to win the point.

They were giving away points. If every time they went at you they miss then let them. Its free points. If you cant stand there without getting hit then back up. This isnt rocket science. YOu have the option to play two back.

However contunually targeting him is counter productive. Send him a message ... keep him home once or twice ... but to try and hurt him because you cannot hit the open court suggests you should not be on the court at all.

How is it counter productive. Given the responses from the softies here I dont think I aimed at people enough. Jeez one ball comes at you and some are ready to walk off the court.
 
1} sounded like it

2} you claimed it was a prissy sport, basically

Its not a prissy sport?

Have you met 85-90% of the people that play this sport? Look at the guy that said if he got hit a few times he would walk off the court and never play with you again. Thats called being soft. People crying over getting hit by a tennis ball is called being soft.
 
Its not a prissy sport?

Have you met 85-90% of the people that play this sport? Look at the guy that said if he got hit a few times he would walk off the court and never play with you again. Thats called being soft. People crying over getting hit by a tennis ball is called being soft.

there is a difference between soft and cheap...
 
wow okay i was watching the latest fed cup wta rubber 5 match. this time i was strictly watching for the subject of this thread and guess what. these women went after each other every chance that they got. most of the lifted balls were returned at the opponent net player albeit somewhere at their feet. short balls were hit directly at the net player. smashes were also hit AT the opposing player or at least in their vicinity. i had never noticed this before until this thread. now i am blown away by how professionals actually attack each other.

very revealing stuff.

Yes, they aim it at the player least likely to to hit a good return. As you mentioned, if hitting down, they'll aim at feet. If hitting a drive, they'll try to handcuff their opponent at the net with speed and direction (velocity). They also understand that it's really hard to hit fellow pros because they're so good at reacting. That's how two backers have to deal with two uppers.
 
How is it counter productive. Given the responses from the softies here I dont think I aimed at people enough. Jeez one ball comes at you and some are ready to walk off the court.

It is counter productive because your goal is to win points. Hitting the open will win points. Hitting your opponent will sometimes win points and sometimes give him a chance to get the ball back. If you are good enough to hit the opponent and win points every time you are also good enough to hit the open court.

If you are hitting him to hit him then you are not playing tennis but rather playing dodge ball.
 
It happens from time to time, and it's a good tactic if you want to keep your opponent on your toes XD

I got hit in the face by a overhead smash before - that kept me away from the net for a while...
 
It is counter productive because your goal is to win points. Hitting the open will win points. Hitting your opponent will sometimes win points and sometimes give him a chance to get the ball back. If you are good enough to hit the opponent and win points every time you are also good enough to hit the open court.

If you are hitting him to hit him then you are not playing tennis but rather playing dodge ball.

See my point.

These guys are so soft that they are now arguing going at the net person doesnt win points. We are not talking floating it at them. We are talking hitting it so hard it leaves a mark on their backside. Aim right to the gut and you will be fine. The ball will stay in and if they are smart they back off.
 
This ^^^^^^

Working the net man has to be part of your game. If the net man is not worried about you abusing him on short balls then you are not doing your job. However contunually targeting him is counter productive. Send him a message ... keep him home once or twice ... but to try and hurt him because you cannot hit the open court suggests you should not be on the court at all.

See my point.

These guys are so soft that they are now arguing going at the net person doesnt win points. We are not talking floating it at them. We are talking hitting it so hard it leaves a mark on their backside. Aim right to the gut and you will be fine. The ball will stay in and if they are smart they back off.

Why are you arguing with me ... other than perhaps you feel the need to argue with every one.

I agree that hitting at the net man is good practice occasionally ... and if you do that several times in a match then you will find returns and volleys easier in other situations. You seem to be suggesting that hitting at the net man is always the best practice which I think most posters agree is barbaric, assinine and generally stupid.
 
It happens from time to time, and it's a good tactic if you want to keep your opponent on your toes XD

I got hit in the face by a overhead smash before - that kept me away from the net for a while...

Why would you want to keep your opponent on your toes?
 
I agree that hitting at the net man is good practice occasionally ... and if you do that several times in a match then you will find returns and volleys easier in other situations. You seem to be suggesting that hitting at the net man is always the best practice which I think most posters agree is barbaric, assinine and generally stupid.
dude i am totally missing it. i mean i am really and earnestly trying to understand the point some of you are making about etiquette but i can't grasp it. the ONLY reason i can for not hitting at the net guy is if net guy is dang good at being a net guy. there are some dudes who play the net who i avoid at all cost. their reaction time and ball placement is straight sick. they seem to have a knack for putting the ball in the hole. so i have to concentrate hard on ball placement in order to keep the ball away from them. a lesser net player, not so much. if a net guy is up on the net and has terrible volley skills, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU NOT HIT AT THEM?

i completely do not get it.
 
I think most posters agree is barbaric, assinine and generally stupid.

So its now barbaric? Man getting pegged in tennis is serious business.

Meant to say: "There is a difference between being soft and being a gentleman."

You did confuse me a little but I understand cheap dads.

And I dont think being a gentleman has a place in sports. Im not saying cheat like crazy but if you are taking away legitimate shots because you dont wanna be mean then you are not competing to win.
 
You did confuse me a little but I understand cheap dads.

And I dont think being a gentleman has a place in sports. Im not saying cheat like crazy but if you are taking away legitimate shots because you dont wanna be mean then you are not competing to win.

No, there is a place for gentlemanly attitude in sports.

You ever do martial arts or get into fights? Isn't it considered bad form to kick the other guy in the balls? Presume it is a competition and not life-and-death.
 
You ever do martial arts or get into fights? Isn't it considered bad form to kick the other guy in the balls? Presume it is a competition and not life-and-death.

I hate talking fights online as you always come off as an internet tough guy but if you fought me outside of a ring I would gauge the crap out of your eyes and rip your balls off if it meant I walk away and you dont.

If it is allowed in competition then I would 100% hit you in the balls. There is no such thing as dirty fighting. There is only me standing and you not.

end tough guy mode. :)
 
I hate talking fights online as you always come off as an internet tough guy but if you fought me outside of a ring I would gauge the crap out of your eyes and rip your balls off if it meant I walk away and you dont.

If it is allowed in competition then I would 100% hit you in the balls. There is no such thing as dirty fighting. There is only me standing and you not.

end tough guy mode. :)

You'd pound me in a fight, I doubt I'd be able to so much as scratch ya.

But there is such a thing as dirty fighting and fighting without honor. And that's basically the kind of thing they are arguing against. It doesn't make you a man by kicking another guy in the balls, it just means you lack the skill to beat him other ways.
 
You'd pound me in a fight, I doubt I'd be able to so much as scratch ya.

But there is such a thing as dirty fighting and fighting without honor. And that's basically the kind of thing they are arguing against. It doesn't make you a man by kicking another guy in the balls, it just means you lack the skill to beat him other ways.

No there isnt. There is me walking away ok and you not. That is it in a fight. This idea of this chivalry is a fairytale at best. When you are in a fight why would you not hit people where it hurts? If that means hitting eyes,throat, or balls then so be it.

And now I really sound like an internet tough guy. :)
 
No there isnt. There is me walking away ok and you not. That is it in a fight. This idea of this chivalry is a fairytale at best. When you are in a fight why would you not hit people where it hurts? If that means hitting eyes,throat, or balls then so be it.

And now I really sound like an internet tough guy. :)

Why is chivalry a fairy tale? Just because I believe in fighting fair and square?

If you wanna get someone where it hurts, you're a sadist.
 
I just played some doubles where my partner fell down and I was pulled off the court and floated up a defensive shot. My opponent smashed the ball at my partner who was still on his knees. Luckily it barely missed him. Sounds like something thebuffman would do though.
 
Why is chivalry a fairy tale? Just because I believe in fighting fair and square?

If you wanna get someone where it hurts, you're a sadist.

because in a real fight not one with rules its all about you not getting hurt and the other guy getting hurt. Thats it. There is no rules or boundaries. do whatever you have to so that you are not hurt or dead.

Chivalry I mentioned because I think we like to have this thought of noble knights fighting fairly and winning with this honor when that is not really how life was with knights. Its fairy tales. In honestly they were smashing each others face in with war hammers and hitting you wherever they could to kill you. Movies and books present us with a very untruthful picture of what fighting is.

As this applies to tennis its not wrong to peg a net person who is to dumb to get out of the way. To act like it isnt fair and square to hit them is not a view I can ever agree with. Peg them until they go away. Especially if you know they are a hot head or a pansy.
 
because in a real fight not one with rules its all about you not getting hurt and the other guy getting hurt. Thats it. There is no rules or boundaries. do whatever you have to so that you are not hurt or dead.

Chivalry I mentioned because I think we like to have this thought of noble knights fighting fairly and winning with this honor when that is not really how life was with knights. Its fairy tales. In honestly they were smashing each others face in with war hammers and hitting you wherever they could to kill you. Movies and books present us with a very untruthful picture of what fighting is.

As this applies to tennis its not wrong to peg a net person who is to dumb to get out of the way. To act like it isnt fair and square to hit them is not a view I can ever agree with. Peg them until they go away. Especially if you know they are a hot head or a pansy.

But wouldn't it be wrong to peg a net person who is turning away to give you that winner?
 
But wouldn't it be wrong to peg a net person who is turning away to give you that winner?

Just turning away or walking away?

Either way you get no sympathy from me if you get hit by a tennis ball. I have been hit hard by some guys that can really blast a ball and ya it hurts but deal with it. Its not wrong to peg someone ever in tennis. They shouldnt stand there if they are afraid of being hit.

Its time to get these soft pansies out of tennis. :)
 
Just turning away or walking away?

Either way you get no sympathy from me if you get hit by a tennis ball. I have been hit hard by some guys that can really blast a ball and ya it hurts but deal with it. Its not wrong to peg someone ever in tennis. They shouldnt stand there if they are afraid of being hit.

Its time to get these soft pansies out of tennis. :)

so if they show their backs, you will peg them?
 
I'd hate to look in some of these guy's freezers, might find frosty bodies of vanquished tennis opponents with parts missing.
 
They were giving away points. If every time they went at you they miss then let them. Its free points. If you cant stand there without getting hit then back up. This isnt rocket science. YOu have the option to play two back.

This was high level tennis - we wouldn't have had a chance with two back. It was a close match and it wasn't that we were winning less than 50% of the points when they hit that way.
 
This was high level tennis - we wouldn't have had a chance with two back. It was a close match and it wasn't that we were winning less than 50% of the points when they hit that way.

So when pros play two back thats not high level tennis?

I question how high level you are if that is a statement you are gonna make.

And yes Manus I would drill you in the back. Your fault for turning.
 
And yes Manus I would drill you in the back. Your fault for turning.

So, you're a head-hunter, out to dominate your opponents physically and mentally. What other, hopefully less violent, forms of gamesmanship do you typically find fulfillment in employing?
 
am i the only one who has been hit aimed for etc and find that it is perfectly okay? guys dont hit a low slice to my BH please, i have trouble returning that shot so it is poor etiquette to hit at my weakness, its not fair that the shot gives you the upperhand.
 
am i the only one who has been hit aimed for etc and find that it is perfectly okay? guys dont hit a low slice to my BH please, i have trouble returning that shot so it is poor etiquette to hit at my weakness, its not fair that the shot gives you the upperhand.

there is a difference between hitting at an opponent who is turning away to give you the "go ahead" for a winner and hitting at the opponent.
 
Thats exactly the point larry. These unwritten rules are BS. If you play within the rules, then you are fine, even if you hit a shot thats too your opponents weakness.

am i the only one who has been hit aimed for etc and find that it is perfectly okay? guys dont hit a low slice to my BH please, i have trouble returning that shot so it is poor etiquette to hit at my weakness, its not fair that the shot gives you the upperhand.
 
So, you're a head-hunter, out to dominate your opponents physically and mentally. What other, hopefully less violent, forms of gamesmanship do you typically find fulfillment in employing?

I have been known to take out a battle axe and hit my opponent with it on change overs.:)

Seriously once again some of you need to grow a pair.

am i the only one who has been hit aimed for etc and find that it is perfectly okay? guys dont hit a low slice to my BH please, i have trouble returning that shot so it is poor etiquette to hit at my weakness, its not fair that the shot gives you the upperhand.

Its comical at this point. Dont hit hard it might bounce up and hit me, dont hit to my backhand its weaker, and please I have weak volleys so aim to the side if I pop up a floater as I am a fragile little girl. Did I miss anything you softies are preaching?
 
I have been known to take out a battle axe and hit my opponent with it on change overs.:)

Seriously once again some of you need to grow a pair.



Its comical at this point. Dont hit hard it might bounce up and hit me, dont hit to my backhand its weaker, and please I have weak volleys so aim to the side if I pop up a floater as I am a fragile little girl. Did I miss anything you softies are preaching?


I think the unwritten rules are pretty simple. You can go after any player at any time unless he concedes the point by turning away. That's how a player with a pair does it. If you have more than a pair...all bets are off.
 
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I think the unwritten rules are pretty simple. You can go after any player at any time unless he concedes the point by turning away. That's how a player with a pair does it. If you have more than a pair...all bets are off.

Unwritten rules are so stupid. Its amaing how many times somebody tries to pass something off as an unwritten rule. Get the hell out of the way if you dont wanna be pegged. You could also try never ever turning your back.

A little story I will give.

I watched Roddick and Grosjean hitting one day with a good college player. The college player popped up a floater to Roddick and turn his back and get a ball hit right at him. Both Grosjean and Roddick yelled at him for turning his back. As well as both coaches on the court yelling at him.

You never ever turn your back to a floater. Its a good way to get hit really hard in the back. So once again grow a pair and face the ball or get out of the way.
 
Unwritten rules are so stupid. Its amaing how many times somebody tries to pass something off as an unwritten rule. Get the hell out of the way if you dont wanna be pegged. You could also try never ever turning your back.

A little story I will give.

I watched Roddick and Grosjean hitting one day with a good college player. The college player popped up a floater to Roddick and turn his back and get a ball hit right at him. Both Grosjean and Roddick yelled at him for turning his back. As well as both coaches on the court yelling at him.

You never ever turn your back to a floater. Its a good way to get hit really hard in the back. So once again grow a pair and face the ball or get out of the way.

I think their lesson is: don't turn your back to the shot. Not, stand there and face a smash from 10 feet away.

The thing to do is as I do, turn your left side (for righties) to the shot. Not much can be hurt. Drop your racket head to ankle height to stab at a shot to your feet with a forehand.
 
The thing to do is as I do, turn your left side (for righties) to the shot. Not much can be hurt.
this is called "the move" and it is what i employ all the time. turn the inside foot toward the doubles alley and get out of the way.

and as far as folks talking about i would aim for a guy who falls down on the ground, get real. aint nobody here even talking about such extremes. what we are saying is that if a person is UP ON THE NET then it is fair game to go right at them. being up on the net is considered an aggressive/offensive/attacking position. why do lame brains stand 2 feet from the net when their partners dink in a weak 2nd serve? and when i step up into the court and smack that thing from the service line, i am going right at you. eventually they will learn to GET OFF THE NET or else they will have the welts to prove how putrid their tactic is.
 
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