EURO 2016

Who will win EURO 2016?


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augustobt

Legend
Looking forward to Portugal-Poland, Poland's been my Bandwagon since before the Euro started due to Glik and Milik and made a handy bet on them making the QFs, an SF or Final would be amazing

Germany to win though, been my thought process the whole tournament and no reason to doubt it.
Poland have a likable team, but Lewandowski is yet to enter in the competition. He lost a ridiculous goal against Ukraine that is not of his like, not even Mario Gómez (I can't understand how can someone like this pile of garbage) would've lost.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Roy was considering throwing Rashford on at 75 minutes, but it was more likely to keep him employed, so he went against it. And it worked, but it almost came crashing down when Rashford showed some of his silky skills.
 

Man of steel

Hall of Fame
When? Not recently, remember Liverpool who finished 8th in the Premier League narrowly losing 1-0 to 4th place Villarreal before comfortably winning 3-0 in the return leg in the Europa league last season. Valencia, the less said the better about last season. Those players I mentioned are among the best players in the world in their positions so how you can say they are not great players is ridiculous.

It's the typical reactionary response to England losing in the Euros to say the English game stinks, the league stinks all the way. Which is just silly, so the state of the game in Iceland is better? A country without a professional league. The English league is the best league in the world, you look at teams like Stoke, Southampton, West Ham, Everton, Liverpool, Chelsea. All teams finishing 6th and below last season, but all have quality teams. Would beat the majority of the teams in Europe aside from a small number most days.
These teams are mostly filled with foreign players. And the ones that are british are hardly world class players. The only one i can think of is rooney and he hasn't been performing like a world class player for quite a while. The only reason the english premier league is anyway competitive is because of the amount of players that they bring in. This is why the English team is so dire.

The EPL is marketed as having the best teams in the world which is why they bring in so much money on advertising and TV hence bringing in so many foreign players.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
England players revolt. Joe Hart let it in then. :p Backs up what I was saying about Roy wanting out.

From the ever so trustworthy sky sources.
  • Were surprised by the use of a 4-3-3 formation, which had barely been implemented in any of England's friendly matches in 2016.
  • Questioned the selection of Raheem Sterling for the Iceland game, after he showed signs of lacking confidence throughout the tournament.
  • Felt momentum had been lost by making six changes for the Slovakia game, which they drew 0-0.
  • Wondered why Adam Lallana did not start against Iceland after his impressive performances during the group stages.
  • Debated among themselves the merits of playing Wayne Rooney in midfield, for the first time in his England career.
  • Were left frustrated that Marcus Rashford was left to warm up for approximately 10 minutes before he was sent on for the final four minutes of the Iceland game with England in desperate need of a goal.
  • Felt Hodgson's pre-prepared statement at the post-Iceland press conference was an indication he may have doubted the team's chances before the game.
 

Slice'n'dice

Hall of Fame
These teams are mostly filled with foreign players. And the ones that are british are hardly world class players. The only one i can think of is rooney and he hasn't been performing like a world class player for quite a while. The only reason the english premier league is anyway competitive is because of the amount of players that they bring in. This is why the English team is so dire.

The EPL is marketed as having the best teams in the world which is why they bring in so much money on advertising and TV hence bringing in so many foreign players.
All the more reason why it's so irrelevant to the league standard that England lost, the foreign players are part of the league. Just like they are every league. The difference with England and other leagues with lots of foreign players is the other foreign players are willing to go abroad to play in different leagues. Broadening their experience and style which is one reason why these national teams are better. Rooney is not a world class player any more, arguably he never has displayed it for England when it really mattered anyway. Though there aren't too many players who you'd call genuinely world class, there are 1 or 2, a few more that are close to it and virtually all of them of a high quality of player. Overall one of the best squads in the Championships, a young team with lots of potential. With a proper manager that team could go far, the best players don't always make the best team anyway. Something never demonstrated better than with Leicester last season.

Roy Hodgson is a master at making players look like a bad bunch of players. He suffocates quality out of players. His short time at Liverpool bringing, though not one of the best, not a bad team either to teetering with relegation. Last world cup, with half a starting 11 that looked so impressive almost winning the league with Liverpool the previous season, look terrible, don't get out of the group and finish with 1 point. This squad was one of the best in the competition, Spain, Germany, France and Belgium player for player, the only ones who really seem like they are better and even some of those are debatable. It's not quality of player and it's not grass-roots problems, not really, they do fine for their clubs playing all manner of tactics. They assume a certain mentality playing for England, part of that is the manager and partly pressure I suppose as well as a few other things. But a proper manager would go a long way to making England a better side.
 

Slice'n'dice

Hall of Fame
England players revolt. Joe Hart let it in then. :p Backs up what I was saying about Roy wanting out.

From the ever so trustworthy sky sources.
  • Were surprised by the use of a 4-3-3 formation, which had barely been implemented in any of England's friendly matches in 2016.
  • Questioned the selection of Raheem Sterling for the Iceland game, after he showed signs of lacking confidence throughout the tournament.
  • Felt momentum had been lost by making six changes for the Slovakia game, which they drew 0-0.
  • Wondered why Adam Lallana did not start against Iceland after his impressive performances during the group stages.
  • Debated among themselves the merits of playing Wayne Rooney in midfield, for the first time in his England career.
  • Were left frustrated that Marcus Rashford was left to warm up for approximately 10 minutes before he was sent on for the final four minutes of the Iceland game with England in desperate need of a goal.
  • Felt Hodgson's pre-prepared statement at the post-Iceland press conference was an indication he may have doubted the team's chances before the game.
Considering they had 4 striker playing. All high level, it should've been enough on it's own. This goes to what I was saying before though, he doesn't really know how to play attacking football. He did it against Wales, bring on as many strikers as possible, but only play one of them up front he was lucky enough for it to work. To play your most natural goalscorer in Sturridge out wide is not going to get him into the goal scoring positions as well, he's wasted there, and considering the nightmare Kane was having and having the whole tournament, he should've got him out as soon as possible.

Rooney in midfield, well he was just desperate to fit him in any way he could he didn't have the guts to drop him. No guts, no real tactical knowledge, he just was out of his depth and has been for a while. Should never have been hired and should've gone after the World Cup. Was never good enough for the job.

Is there any evidence that statement is pre-prepared. The press-conference was about 15 minutes after the end of the match. I think many reasonably intelligent people, as he's supposed to be, (just not in terms of football) should be able to compose a short speech such as the one he gave in a few minutes. Kind of writes itself for the most part.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Considering they had 4 striker playing. All high level, it should've been enough on it's own. This goes to what I was saying before though, he doesn't really know how to play attacking football. He did it against Wales, bring on as many strikers as possible, but only play one of them up front he was lucky enough for it to work. To play your most natural goalscorer in Sturridge out wide is not going to get him into the goal scoring positions as well, he's wasted there, and considering the nightmare Kane was having and having the whole tournament, he should've got him out as soon as possible.

Rooney in midfield, well he was just desperate to fit him in any way he could he didn't have the guts to drop him. No guts, no real tactical knowledge, he just was out of his depth and has been for a while. Should never have been hired and should've gone after the World Cup. Was never good enough for the job.

Is there any evidence that statement is pre-prepared. The press-conference was about 15 minutes after the end of the match. I think many reasonably intelligent people, as he's supposed to be, (just not in terms of football) should be able to compose a short speech such as the one he gave in a few minutes. Kind of writes itself for the most part.
I agree with all that. Football Manger once again. I know it is not real, but if I'm a goal down and have all that time left, I'm not going to wait until the 85 minute to bring my last sub on. I'd have him on at 60 minutes. Suppose he did try the Vardy solution, but it was hit long balls to him and hope for the best. Rashford only had 7-8 minutes and looked like he could have done something if he had more time. Didn't help that everybody else around him was lost. In the end, it probably wouldn't have made a difference and England were always going to lose.

There is no evidence so support the last part of the Sky statement. Most likely it is Sky just putting it in because they like to kick a man when he is down.
 

sarmpas

Hall of Fame
Looking forward to Portugal-Poland, Poland's been my Bandwagon since before the Euro started due to Glik and Milik and made a handy bet on them making the QFs, an SF or Final would be amazing

Germany to win though, been my thought process the whole tournament and no reason to doubt it.
If Poland-Portugal is decided by a penalty shoot-out I'd strongly favour Poland. Against Switzerland the Polish penalty takers were superb, each penalty was taken with what looked like total confidence and belief.
 

Slice'n'dice

Hall of Fame
I agree with all that. Football Manger once again. I know it is not real, but if I'm a goal down and have all that time left, I'm not going to wait until the 85 minute to bring my last sub on. I'd have him on at 60 minutes. Suppose he did try the Vardy solution, but it was hit long balls to him and hope for the best. Rashford only had 7-8 minutes and looked like he could have done something if he had more time. Didn't help that everybody else around him was lost. In the end, it probably wouldn't have made a difference and England were always going to lose.

There is no evidence so support the last part of the Sky statement. Most likely it is Sky just putting it in because they like to kick a man when he is down.
Ah good old Football Manager, haven't played it for a while. Anyway, yeah I do agree with that though, I suppose the argument for that is that they have the potential to be more dangerous by that stage as they'll be fresh against tired legs and not need to hold back one bit to save energy, but it's a big risk and he did carry more of a threat than most did, so maybe more time could've helped, chances are it wouldn't. He could've employed the subs better and used them better. Just bringing on strikers to change a game is naive, especially when you play most of them out of position, might as well have strikers up front and the creative players in midfield so they can make the chances for the strikers to score. Likewise hoping for half-fit Wilshere to do anything, a player who clearly should never have been picked in that state of fitness. Kane was awful all tournament long and should've been the first to come off as well.

I saw on the BBC live text there was something suggesting they thought that too, don't think there is any evidence for it and I doubt it's true.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
I've never quite understood this idea that England is always under tremendous pressure. If it truly is under pressure, then I'd have to say it's completely fabricated pressure. They haven't won a major championship in 50 years, why would they be under any more pressure than teams who have won championships more recently and are expected to perform up to those high standards in every competition they enter (I'm thinking of Spain, France, Germany)? Nobody is really expecting England to win anything, there should be no pressure at all.

Even teams like Portugal or Belgium, who have been performing much better (the former because they've been to a final and several quarterfinals and semifinals, the latter because of their recent quality and their world ranking), should be under more pressure than England, since everybody's expecting them to win something in order to have a fitting reward to match all that talent.

I truly don't understand these incredibly high standards, entirely invented by this unholy alliance between national pride and media hype, that England always have to meet when in reality - because they're neither winners nor expected first time winners - they should be the most carefree team out there. And they would certainly reap the benefits of this new perception.
 

sarmpas

Hall of Fame
England players revolt. Joe Hart let it in then. :p Backs up what I was saying about Roy wanting out.

From the ever so trustworthy sky sources.
  • Were surprised by the use of a 4-3-3 formation, which had barely been implemented in any of England's friendly matches in 2016.
  • Questioned the selection of Raheem Sterling for the Iceland game, after he showed signs of lacking confidence throughout the tournament.
  • Felt momentum had been lost by making six changes for the Slovakia game, which they drew 0-0.
  • Wondered why Adam Lallana did not start against Iceland after his impressive performances during the group stages.
  • Debated among themselves the merits of playing Wayne Rooney in midfield, for the first time in his England career.
  • Were left frustrated that Marcus Rashford was left to warm up for approximately 10 minutes before he was sent on for the final four minutes of the Iceland game with England in desperate need of a goal.
  • Felt Hodgson's pre-prepared statement at the post-Iceland press conference was an indication he may have doubted the team's chances before the game.
Regarding the last point, Roy probably printed out a resignation speech he'd prepared for some previous occasion.

Lee Dixon nailed it by saying he knows how Italy, France, Spain and Germany will play because their managers have already determined what the best team/formation is before the tournament starts whereas Roy was chopping and changing the team sheet and formation throughout the tournament. He didn't know what his best team was or he didn't have the courage and strength of character to go with his own gut feeling.

The FA will likely appoint a non-combative agreeable successor to Hodgson, someone they can control, someone who will feel grateful for the opportunity. That rules out Fergie.
 

sarmpas

Hall of Fame
I've never quite understood this idea that England is always under tremendous pressure. If it truly is under pressure, then I'd have to say it's completely fabricated pressure. They haven't won a major championship in 50 years, why would they be under any more pressure than teams who have won championships more recently and are expected to perform up to those high standards in every competition they enter (I'm thinking of Spain, France, Germany)? Nobody is really expecting England to win anything, there should be no pressure at all.

Even teams like Portugal or Belgium, who have been performing much better (the former because they've been to a final and several quarterfinals and semifinals, the latter because of their recent quality and their world ranking), should be under more pressure than England, since everybody's expecting them to win something in order to have a fitting reward to match all that talent.

I truly don't understand these incredibly high standards, entirely invented by this unholy alliance between national pride and media hype, that England always have to meet when in reality - because they're neither winners nor expected first time winners - they should be the most carefree team out there.
It's the 'Rule Britannia' mentality we have that's filtered through the generations. In swimming, cycling, rowing and lately gymnastics Team GB has done rather well at Olympic and world level.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
It's the 'Rule Britannia' mentality we have that's filtered through the generations. In swimming, cycling, rowing and lately gymnastics Team GB has done rather well at Olympic and world level.
Yes, but those deserve the hype and can live with it. I think England would reap the benefits of not expecting too much from their football team. A more workmanlike mentality could then, perhaps, emerge.
 

Slice'n'dice

Hall of Fame
Regarding the last point, Roy probably printed out a resignation speech he'd prepared for some previous occasion.

Lee Dixon nailed it by saying he knows how Italy, France, Spain and Germany will play because their managers have already determined what the best team/formation is before the tournament starts whereas Roy was chopping and changing the team sheet and formation throughout the tournament. He didn't know what his best team was or he didn't have the courage and strength of character to go with his own gut feeling.

The FA will likely appoint a non-combative agreeable successor to Hodgson, someone they can control, someone who will feel grateful for the opportunity. That rules out Fergie.
Don't think not knowing how someone is going to play is necessarily a bad thing if it's effective. Someone being flexible and effective with different tactics is the best, Hodgson's problem was he couldn't make any of them work. Fergie's rules out by his retirement. He managed a team for 26 years will have made enormous amounts of money doing so why would he come back to manage England with all this pressure and the rest of it, and probably still wouldn't win anything. Club management is different to national and how many chances would he have, he's an old man he wouldn't be able to give it very long.

Agree, it's likely gonna be Southgate it seems a man who's managed Middlesborough for a little while and the under 21s failing to get out of the group stages of major tournaments after winning lots of qualifying matches, that reminds me of someone actually. Great appointment I'm sure.

Yes, but those deserve the hype and can live with it. I think England would reap the benefits of not expecting too much from their football team. A more workmanlike mentality could then, perhaps, emerge.
I think you're probably right about that. People tried that before trying to play down expectations before the last World Cup but as it got closer people got over-excited again. It'll never happen though so they just need to handle the pressure better, most of them do it ok for their club sides, don't know why it should be different internationally, the club game is bigger than international now anyway.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
I think you're probably right about that. People tried that before trying to play down expectations before the last World Cup but as it got closer people got over-excited again. It'll never happen though so they just need to handle the pressure better, most of them do it ok for their club sides, don't know why it should be different internationally, the club game is bigger than international now anyway.
I'm just saying that, based on past results, they should relate to these competitions with no more pressure than any other team there. I'm not sure what you mean when you say club football is bigger - I presume you're talking about money, sponsors, quality of the game, etc - because you can't really compare the two (they're of a very different nature). The excitement levels aren't quantifiable through statistics, it would be very difficult to determine which competitions engage the public more.
 

Slice'n'dice

Hall of Fame
I'm just saying that, based on past results, they should relate to these competitions with no more pressure than any other team there. I'm not sure what you mean when you say club football is bigger - I presume you're talking about money, sponsors, quality of the game, etc - because you can't really compare the two (they're of a very different nature). The excitement levels aren't quantifiable through statistics, it would be very difficult to determine which competitions engage the public more.
Yeah I agree, but I think it's certain teams that where people tend to get more carried away. England is one so I think it's always going to happen, unless the quality dropped a huge amount where they could never qualify for tournaments, something I doubt will ever happen really.

Well absolutely but from the people I know who follow football they tend to prefer the club game, probably for some of those reasons, quality being high and you get more of it so I guess you get more attached to the team. For casual fans the international tournaments would engage them more I'm sure as they feel no reason to support it week to week because it doesn't interest them but want to see their nation do well.

There's probably a bit of a differential in countries with small leagues of course too. But in general for most fans and probably for the players themselves, success at club level probably means more.
 

augustobt

Legend
England players revolt. Joe Hart let it in then. :p Backs up what I was saying about Roy wanting out.

From the ever so trustworthy sky sources.
  • Were surprised by the use of a 4-3-3 formation, which had barely been implemented in any of England's friendly matches in 2016.
  • Questioned the selection of Raheem Sterling for the Iceland game, after he showed signs of lacking confidence throughout the tournament.
  • Felt momentum had been lost by making six changes for the Slovakia game, which they drew 0-0.
  • Wondered why Adam Lallana did not start against Iceland after his impressive performances during the group stages.
  • Debated among themselves the merits of playing Wayne Rooney in midfield, for the first time in his England career.
  • Were left frustrated that Marcus Rashford was left to warm up for approximately 10 minutes before he was sent on for the final four minutes of the Iceland game with England in desperate need of a goal.
  • Felt Hodgson's pre-prepared statement at the post-Iceland press conference was an indication he may have doubted the team's chances before the game.
I agree with mostly. 4-3-3 isn't the problem, but definitely they should've tested it frequently before putting it in such an important mach. Sterling didn't played at least well in ONE single match , I can't stand why RH insisted so much with him. Lallana - I disliked him in the first match (and I don't like him at all), but definitely should've stated the match.

And there's absolutely no reason to put Rashford in only at 85'!

But now I'm seeing people speculating David Moyes and Rafa Benitez. Good luck, hahahahahah
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Fairly open match, this is.

Portugal are starting to look like the blessed team for this tournament and will probably sneak out the win today.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Poor Giggsy. Stuck in a studio being a regular pundit.

Only just got back in. Haven't seen any of the game, but I'm hoping for a shootout. Nobody score. MON.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Fairly open match, this is.

Portugal are starting to look like the blessed team for this tournament and will probably sneak out the win today.
Blessed for sure.

Nice suspense. Happy to see them through. Hoping Belgium sets up the handsome semifinal date.
 

augustobt

Legend
Germany won the world cup in 1974.
Runner up in the Euro 76 - First title for the Czechs

Germany won the world cup in 1990
Runner up in Euro 92 - First title for the Danish

Germany won the world cup in 2014
Portugal, Wales and Belgium - in the other side of the draw, never won the title before...
 
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ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
''If you're Wales and Belgium watching that game, you have nothing to fear.''
We'll see, we'll see. Many people said the same thing when Croatia faced Portugal after having beaten Spain. The fact is Portugal have become better match players. I think they're more dangerous playing unimpressive football with a clutch mentality than when they were playing great football but naive in the most important moments. Pepe was the man of the match by a country mile.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
Germany won the world cup in 1974.
Runner up in the Euro 76 - First title for the Czechs

Germany won the world cup in 1990
Runner up in Euro 92 - First title for the Danish

Germany won the world cup in 2014
Portugal, Wales and Belgium - in the other side of the draw, never won the title before...
I would counter that argument - impressive as it is - with "France always win at home". Which is my least favorite outcome of this Euro.
 

hawk eye

Hall of Fame
I just hope for a few good football matches in this tournament , and the team that offers the most entertainment wins. Probably naive, but if Iceland wins it I'd be ok with it too.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
We'll see, we'll see. Many people said the same thing when Croatia faced Portugal after having beaten Spain. The fact is Portugal have become better match players. I think they're more dangerous playing unimpressive football with a clutch mentality than when they were playing great football but naive in the most important moments. Pepe was the man of the match by a country mile.
Not one of Ryan Giggs greatest punditry moments, but he is new on the job. Having a player like Ronaldo on the team means there will always be something to fear. And yes, winning and not playing well is very dangerous. Would give me even more to fear.
 

jaggy

Talk Tennis Guru
What a great goal, Ramsays part in that was sublime, watching it was like reading a Nostradamus message, class.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Belgian defense been exposed while they miss Vertonghen to injury, Vermaelen to cards, and Kompany pre tourney.

Let's come back though, y'all.

Allez!
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Belgian defense been exposed while they miss Vertonghen to injury, Vermalen to cards, and Kompany pre tourney.

Let's come back though, y'all.

Allez!
Hard to say how much difference it would make in this game because Kompany is out, etc. I don't know, though, Wales are bringing it and I had a feeling Bale was going to have a good tournament. He inspires the players around him and brings them together. Ramsey is goating and that second goal was magic.

Still 20 minutes for Belgium to make something happen
 
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