Eurosport Commentators Are Why Fed is Against HawkEye ?

Return_Ace

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Eurosport Commentators Are Why Fed Was Against HawkEye ?

After the JHH and Jankovic match I was listening to the Eurosport commentators (Barry Cowen, Sam Smith and Mark Petchy [Think it was him]) talking about the use of HawkEye tech in the match, and how during one point in the match Jankovic went up to the Umpire and asked whether or not the ball was good or not, and the Umpire merely responded:
"I don't know, I'm not a machine"

This was Fed's argument against the HawkEye system and he stated that it would take a lot of responsibility away from the Umpire to ensure good calls.

The Commentators however were saying that the Umpire was correct in what he was doing and that should jankovic be unsure about the call she should have challenged instead and not have asked the umpire... stating "If they believe the call was wrong, they should just challenge and not ask the Umpire"....

I personally think this is stupid, the HawkEye system I believe should be used in addition to the Umpire Overruling calls, should the player think that the Umpire's decision is wrong, they should challenge the call and I can see why Fed was opposed to this.

It's essentially saying "hey, let's just take away the line judges and let the players make their own calls, should the other player think the call was incorrect then we can call upon HawkEye..." seeing as we can't rely upon the umpire to ensure that all the calls are correct.

Maybe this is a rant ? I dunno...
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I thought the umpire was absolutely right in that situation and that Jankovic was acting like a spoiled brat. Even without the Challenge System, the umpire would have never overruled that call since it was too close for him to call and too close for him to overrule as it was not a clear error by the linesperson. I think the commentators said that the serve was out anyway. You can't ask the umpire if he's sure if the ball was out before you challenge. That just defeats the whole purpose of having the Challenge System. The new system is supposed to let the player decide to challenge when they disagree with the linesperson or umpire's call. If the umpire agreed with them, there would be no reason to challenge as the umpire would just overrule the call already.

Unfortunately, she let that get to her and allowed he to lose her own momentum. She has no one to blame but herself.
 

Return_Ace

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Well, I didn't actually see the point and I'm not saying that what she did was right, I'm just saying that she had every right to ask the Umpire, I mean players do it in normal matches and ask for confirmation (I mean the Umpire could have not acted like a dick and just gone "sorry, it was too close for me to overrule")... It shouldn't have mattered whether or not the court had HawkEye facilities, since it's a common thing at Wimbledon and we don't get Umpire going "Well, I'm not a machine" do we now ?

The main point of my post was to state that even the Umpires think that now the HawkEye system is in effect they do not need to overrule calls and should let the players decide for themselves, which is not the point of the system.
 

Jack the Hack

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Return_Ace said:
...Jankovic went up to the Umpire and asked whether or not the ball was good or not, and the Umpire merely responded:
"I don't know, I'm not a machine"
I was watching the match, and when Jankovic went up to the chair, she wasn't asking the umpire if he thought it was in or out (he had already confirmed the linesperson's call). Rather, she was asking if he thought it was close enough to challenge. That's why he was replying "It's not up to me to make that decision, it's up to you to challenge the call if you think it is wrong..."

(I think the "I don't know, I'm not a machine" was in response to her follow-up of "well, how close was it?")

As BreakPoint said, I thought Jankovic was acting pretty bratty, and she got what she deserved for taking her focus off of winning. It seemed to me like she wanted someone to give her the match, either with JHH errors, or a challenged call miraculously winning the crucial points for her. Instead, she should have been aggressive and taken the match from JHH... but credit JHH for realizing the problem, cutting down the errors, and letting Jankovic fall apart.
 

Return_Ace

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Jack said:
I was watching the match, and when Jankovic went up to the chair, she wasn't asking the umpire if he thought it was in or out (he had already confirmed the linesperson's call). Rather, she was asking if he thought it was close enough to challenge. That's why he was replying "It's not up to me to make that decision, it's up to you to challenge the call if you think it is wrong..."
Aha... thanks, I was just going by what the Eurosport commentators were saying seeing as I didn't see the point... That clears things up about that particular incident, however i still think the main point stands :rolleyes: :)
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Or is Eurosport just bitter that it's an American system...

I think the rule is going to change - the players are going to have even less time to decide to challenge - no opportunity to look for a mark or try to get a 'tell' out of the Chair.

Maybe a) Fed's just a purist and doesn't think the human line calling system was so flawed that it merited a change? b) Fed liked seeing his opponent's seethe over calls and enjoyed watching them melt down - helped him get off the court faster.
 

Return_Ace

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Ahem... wasn't HawkEye invented before "ShotSpot" (Or w.e. it is) ? I remember that it was available (for TV Viewers) at Wimbledon for a while, whilst not really seeing it in US Open Coverage..
 
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