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[Bartelby]

All this means is that no one is interested in reporting ICE fires as it wouldn't be news.

People like new tech and the fossil fuel lobby wants to denigrate new BEV tech.

You need evidence, not anecdotes, as the latter is biased.

BYD car caught fire at Hong Kong charging station

BYD electric car catches fire at Hong Kong charging station

Photos of the scene show the BYD car’s bonnet and tyre were damaged, with the charging cable left connected to vehicle.

www.scmp.com

Kowloon Bay electric car charger ignites, female driver escapes harm

A female driver had to escape from her sedan after a fire occurred while charging at a charging station in Kowloon Bay on Thursday night.Around 9 a.m. yesterday (Jan 25), a white BYD sedan was chargin...

www.thestandard.com.hk

BYD Atto 3 charging port was fried while charging in India

SHOCKING! BYD Atto 3 Caught Fire In India, Warranty Allegedly Denied

A BYD Atto 3 allegedly caught fire during charging in India as no safety systems were activated and the owner was denied warranty claims

gaadiwaadi.com

BYD Atto 3 charging port fried while charging | Team-BHP

Thanks to Thwalhath Abdul Rasheed for sending this information in. Heartfelt gratitude for sharing it with other enthusiasts via this Team-BHP share page!I am writing to formally lodge a complaint and ...

www.team-bhp.com

BYD recalled nearly 100,000 cars due to fire risk

BYD Atto 3, Dolphin recalled due to fire risk, Australia not impacted

Almost 100,000 BYD Atto 3s and Dolphins have been recalled in China, reportedly due to a fault which can cause a vehicle fire.

www.carexpert.com.au

BYD recalls nearly 100,000 EVs over fire risk

BYD is recalling 96,714 Dolphin and Yuan Plus vehicles in China starting September 30, for fire risk due to manufacturing process.

cnevpost.com

Electric car catches fire while charging at a showroom in Malaysia

Electric car catches fire while charging at showroom in JB

JOHOR BARU: An electric car caught fire while charging at a car showroom located at Batu 5 along Jalan Skudai here.

www.thestar.com.my

Chinese EVs are literally on fire lol

Chinese Electric Vehicles Are On Fire

It's only mid-April, summer hasn't arrived, and yet, electric vehicles are already on fire. On March 28, an XPeng G3 caught on fire in Longhua District,

carnewschina.com

 

[Crocodile]

But so what? Russia under Putin used to be in the G8. Putin and Xi don't take orders from the WEF and Klaus. This is where your conspiracy thinking derails completely.

I think they have no choice because those who collaborate with Klaus own the money system. Just ask George S - he knows

 

[Crocodile]

You smear me as a China-lover on an ongoing basis, so do you think you are in a position to complain?

You are unapologetically hostile to China, so naturally you claim my balanced assessment is support for totalitarianism.

I’m not complaining and I’m not hostile with China at all. I stand side by side with lots of Chinese people who don’t like the oppressive elements of the CCP including how they torture dogs.
While you play left v right - Klaus’s men and women own both. They just put it out there so people can squabble among themselves while they are making plans to enslave you all.

 

[Bartelby]

None of this makes any sense either as either analysis or self-awareness.

I think they have no choice because those who collaborate with Klaus own the money system. Just ask George S - he knows

I’m not complaining and I’m not hostile with China at all. I stand side by side with lots of Chinese people who don’t like the oppressive elements of the CCP including how they torture dogs.

 

[Crocodile]

None of this makes any sense either as either analysis or self-awareness.

You don’t want it to make sense because then you have to admit to yourself that you have been played and you invested too much time into something that’s just an illusion.
I’m trying to help you to snap out of the matrix but you can’t let go. You still have a chance but I suggest you don’t leave it too late. Make that change Bart! You will love it !

 

[Crocodile]

And when chaos happens lots of things go down and some come up. This is what happens and will happen in your country.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Flying Cars?

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/stat...52826559175938340&currentTweetUser=EricLDaugh

 

[Bartelby]

"Snap out of the matrix". Too funny!

You don’t want it to make sense because then you have to admit to yourself that you have been played and you invested too much time into something that’s just an illusion.
I’m trying to help you to snap out of the matrix but you can’t let go. You still have a chance but I suggest you don’t leave it too late. Make that change Bart! You will love it !

 

[Bartelby]

Capitalism is supposed to be about "creative destruction".

And when chaos happens lots of things go down and some come up. This is what happens and will happen in your country.

 

[Crocodile]

"Snap out of the matrix". Too funny!

Look at it this way, I have planted a seed at least and I know I have tried - the rest is up to you and good luck with it.

 

[Bartelby]

You, those, the page ... does not exist.

Flying Cars?

https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/stat...52826559175938340&currentTweetUser=EricLDaugh

 

[Bartelby]

I find your ideas embarrassing so you've planted them on fallow ground.

Look at it this way, I have planted a seed at least and I know I have tried - the rest is up to you and good luck with it.

 

[Crocodile]

Capitalism is supposed to be about "creative destruction".

Success is about constant improvement and learning from mistakes and not repeating them.
Too many people say “ it didn’t work 27 times but this time it will work”.

 

[Crocodile]

I find your ideas embarrassing so you've planted them on fallow ground.

I’m promoting independence and freedom and that’s embarrassing to you.
You are promoting centralisation and collectivism and judging by its track record it’s turned out to be an embarrassing failure for everyone else.

 

[Bartelby]

This may be true of one individual, but capitalism is a swirling multitude of singularities so mistakes are endlessly repeated at the level of the system.

Success is about constant improvement and learning from mistakes and not repeating them.
Too many people say “ it didn’t work 27 times but this time it will work”.

 

[Bartelby]

People beholden to a conspiracy theory show little independence or freedom.

I’m promoting independence and freedom and that’s embarrassing to you.
You are promoting centralisation and collectivism and judging by its track record it’s turned out to be an embarrassing failure for everyone else.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

You, those, the page ... does not exist.

Forget about your 15 minute cities my dear. Freedom cities with flying cars.
You are welcome to join us in the new Golden Age.

Excitement!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1852825064133300416

 

[Bartelby]

Sometimes Trump says very insightful things and other times crazy stuff. Bladerunner world is still a long way off. The US does not even have a Shinkansen.

Freedom cities with flying cars. Not 15 minute cities.
You are welcome to join us.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1852825064133300416

 

[Crocodile]

People beholden to a conspiracy theory show little independence or freedom.

Yes there is some truth to that however if you free yourself now from a nefarious force and it doesn’t eventuate then you didn’t lose anything, hurt anyone and you probably benefited, so that’s a win-win for you and everyone else.
However if you wilfully ignore, mock or go along with a nefarious agenda and it does come to fruition then you have indeed enslaved yourself and lost your freedom and independence. That’s a lose- lose scenario for both you and others.
So as an individual I would rather put myself in the first camp of thought.
Of course it’s very hard for individuals to know what may happen and when, however I feel that we shouldn’t just dismiss everything as conspiracy theory when there are obvious signs out there that things are happening right now. History and wisdom is a good teacher and so are the present indicators ( both real and intentionally distracting ) and texts in prophecy about the future should be discussed and contextualised.
I think everyone on this forum should go and read what global agencies are talking about, what the WEF and World Governments summit has to say and then one should read their local council policies and initiatives as well as state and federal agencies. I would keep an eye on what both the mainstream and independent media are saying - you would be surprised what you pick up and I would also try to observe hypocrisies and things that don’t make sense.

 

[Bartelby]

If people look at the WEF and World Government Summit they will miss everything. These bodies merely register what has already happened long ago.

Yes there is some truth to that however if you free yourself now from a nefarious force and it doesn’t eventuate then you didn’t lose anything, hurt anyone and you probably benefited, so that’s a win-win for you and everyone else.
However if you wilfully ignore, mock or go along with a nefarious agenda and it does come to fruition then you have indeed enslaved yourself and lost your freedom and independence. That’s a lose- lose scenario for both you and others.
So as an individual I would rather put myself in the first camp of thought.
Of course it’s very hard for individuals to know what may happen and when, however I feel that we shouldn’t just dismiss everything as conspiracy theory when there are obvious signs out there that things are happening right now. History and wisdom is a good teacher and so are the present indicators ( both real and intentionally distracting ) and texts in prophecy about the future should be discussed and contextualised.
I think everyone on this forum should go and read what global agencies are talking about, what the WEF and World Governments summit has to say and then one should read their local council policies and initiatives as well as state and federal agencies. I would keep an eye on what both the mainstream and independent media are saying - you would be surprised what you pick up and I would also try to observe hypocrisies and things that don’t make sense.

 

[Dan Lobb]

Capitalism is supposed to be about "creative destruction".

I guess the EV industry is now getting destroyed in Australia.

Electric car sales have slumped. Misinformation is one of the reasons

Reduced government incentives, the spreading of myths and concerns about used car values and fires have stalled what had been an increasingly rapid uptake of electric vehicles.

theconversation.com

"Battery electric vehicle sales in Australia have flattened in recent months. The latest data reveal a sharp 27.2% year-on-year decline (overall new vehicle sales were down 9.7%) in September. Tesla Model Y and Model 3 cars had an even steeper drop of nearly 50%.

Sales also fell in August (by 18.5%) and July (1.5%). There’s a clear downward trend.

Before this downturn, electric vehicle sales had been rising steadily, supported by increased choices and government incentives. In early 2024, year-to-date sales continued to grow compared to the same period in 2023. Then, in April, electric vehicle sales fell for the first time in more than two years.

"Australia isn’t simply mirroring a broader global trend. It’s true sales have slowed in parts of Europe and the United States — often due to reduced incentives.
For example, analysis of publicly available statistics from South Korean government agencies, one of the early adopters of electric vehicles, show the number of fires per registered electric vehicle is steadily increasing. Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles, although the gap is shrinking as the electric vehicle fleet ages. And the highly publicised nature of their fires is a source of growing buyer hesitancy."

"

 

[Bartelby]

I noticed that you did not mention the central thesis: sales are currently flatlining due to disinformation put out by you and others at the behest of the fossil fuel lobby.

I quote:

Persistent misconceptions include exaggerated concerns about battery life, charging infrastructure and safety. Myths and misinformation often fuel these concerns. Traditional vehicle and oil companies actively spread misinformation in campaigns much like those used against other green energy initiatives.

I guess the EV industry is now getting destroyed in Australia.

Electric car sales have slumped. Misinformation is one of the reasons

Reduced government incentives, the spreading of myths and concerns about used car values and fires have stalled what had been an increasingly rapid uptake of electric vehicles.

theconversation.com

"Battery electric vehicle sales in Australia have flattened in recent months. The latest data reveal a sharp 27.2% year-on-year decline (overall new vehicle sales were down 9.7%) in September. Tesla Model Y and Model 3 cars had an even steeper drop of nearly 50%.

Sales also fell in August (by 18.5%) and July (1.5%). There’s a clear downward trend.

Before this downturn, electric vehicle sales had been rising steadily, supported by increased choices and government incentives. In early 2024, year-to-date sales continued to grow compared to the same period in 2023. Then, in April, electric vehicle sales fell for the first time in more than two years.

Australia isn’t simply mirroring a broader global trend. It’s true sales have slowed in parts of Europe and the United States — often due to reduced incentives."
g buyer hesitancy.

 

[Crocodile]

If people look at the WEF and World Government Summit they will miss everything. These bodies merely register what has already happened long ago.

Why would so many Prime Ministers and wealthy elites people attend Davos? Why are you trying to suggest that it’s from the past ? I think people should look very carefully what is being spoken at the WEF and global summits and their own government agencies. There where WEF delegates even at Canberra meeting with government. The Great Reset is 2030 agenda - you don’t people to read it ?

 

[Dan Lobb]

I noticed that you did not mention the central thesis: sales are currently flatlining due to disinformation put out by you and others at the behest of the fossil fuel lobby.

I quote:

Persistent misconceptions include exaggerated concerns about battery life, charging infrastructure and safety. Myths and misinformation often fuel these concerns. Traditional vehicle and oil companies actively spread misinformation in campaigns much like those used against other green energy initiatives.

Nonsense. The author disproves his own point by quoting the data showing that EV fires are rapidly catching up in frequency to fossil fuel car fires, and are more serious in their effects.

He says that "misinformation" is merely "one" of the reasons that EVs are in trouble.

 

[Bartelby]

You confuse the monkey with the organ grinder as usual. Klaus is the monkey.

The elite attends Davos for the same reason that anyone attends a conference.

There's plenty of monkey business ... and it's good for the CV.

Why would so many Prime Ministers and wealthy elites people attend Davos? Why are you trying to suggest that it’s from the past ? I think people should look very carefully what is being spoken at the WEF and global summits and their own government agencies. There where WEF delegates even at Canberra meeting with government. The Great Reset is 2030 agenda - you don’t people to read it ?

 

[Bartelby]

You are still far less likely to suffer from a fire in a BEV than an ICE and these stats are only for South Korea.

Nonsense. The author disproves his own point by quoting the data showing that EV fires are rapidly catching up in frequency to fossil fuel car fires, and are more serious in their effects.

He says that "misinformation" is merely "one" of the reasons that EVs are in trouble.

I guess the EV industry is now getting destroyed in Australia.

Electric car sales have slumped. Misinformation is one of the reasons

Reduced government incentives, the spreading of myths and concerns about used car values and fires have stalled what had been an increasingly rapid uptake of electric vehicles.

theconversation.com

"Battery electric vehicle sales in Australia have flattened in recent months. The latest data reveal a sharp 27.2% year-on-year decline (overall new vehicle sales were down 9.7%) in September. Tesla Model Y and Model 3 cars had an even steeper drop of nearly 50%.

Sales also fell in August (by 18.5%) and July (1.5%). There’s a clear downward trend.

Before this downturn, electric vehicle sales had been rising steadily, supported by increased choices and government incentives. In early 2024, year-to-date sales continued to grow compared to the same period in 2023. Then, in April, electric vehicle sales fell for the first time in more than two years.

"Australia isn’t simply mirroring a broader global trend. It’s true sales have slowed in parts of Europe and the United States — often due to reduced incentives.
For example, analysis of publicly available statistics from South Korean government agencies, one of the early adopters of electric vehicles, show the number of fires per registered electric vehicle is steadily increasing. Fire risk remains lower than for traditional vehicles, although the gap is shrinking as the electric vehicle fleet ages. And the highly publicised nature of their fires is a source of growing buyer hesitancy."

"

 

[Crocodile]

You confuse the monkey with the organ grinder as usual. Klaus is the monkey.

The elite attends Davos for the same reason that anyone attends a conference.

There's plenty of monkey business ... and it's good for the CV.

It’s more like this - look - over 50 head of states attended just this year - oh dear

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www.weforum.org

 

[Bartelby]

Only a ninny would believe that the world is run from the backrooms of Davos.

It’s more like this - look - over 50 head of states attended just this year - oh dear

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www.weforum.org

 

[Dan Lobb]

You are still far less likely to suffer from a fire in a BEV than an ICE and these stats are only for South Korea.

I guess you did not read the points raised...South Korea was an early adopter of EVs and so this chart could be compiled.

The chart shows that EV fires are very rapidly catching up with fossil fuel auto fires as the EV fleet ages over a span of six years, while fires actually decline in fossil fuel cars.

The EV fires are more serious because they do not occur during road usage, unlike the fossil fuel cars, but while charging overnight and this can bring down the entire building.

Happy Dreams!

 

[Bartelby]

You just ran out of road aka data!

I guess you did not read the points raised...South Korea was an early adopter of EVs and so this chart could be compiled.

The chart shows that EV fires are very rapidly catching up with fossil fuel auto fires as the EV fleet ages over a span of six years.

The EV fires are more serious because they do not occur during road usage, unlike the fossil fuel cars, but while charging overnight and this can bring down the entire building.

Happy Dreams!

 

[Dan Lobb]

You just ran out of road aka data!

The trend ends in 2023, so by now the data will probably show that EV fires are in excess of fossil fuel car fires, and certainly more dangerous given the overnight nature of them.

Happy Dreams!

 

[Bartelby]

Electric vehicles (EVs) are much less likely to catch fire than fossil fuel cars:

• Fire risk
  The chance of an EV catching fire is 0.0012%, while the chance for a petrol or diesel car is about 0.1%. This means that fires in gasoline or diesel-powered cars are over 80 times more common.
  
  
  
• Number of fires
  In Australia, only 6 EVs caught fire between 2010 and September 2023, while there were 2,803 internal combustion vehicle fires in NSW alone in the 2022–23 financial year.
  
  
  
• Fire characteristics
  While EV fires require more water to put out, can burn hotter, and are more likely to reignite, the overall probability of being caught in an EV fire is much lower.

 

[Bartelby]

In Norway, which has the world’s highest proportion of electric car sales, there are between four and five times more fires in petrol and diesel cars, according to the directorate for social security and emergency preparedness. The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency this year found that there were 3.8 fires per 100,000 electric or hybrid cars in 2022, compared with 68 fires per 100,000 cars when taking all fuel types into account. However, the latter figures include arson, making comparisons tricky.

Australia’s Department of Defence funded EV FireSafe to look into the question. It found there was a 0.0012% chance of a passenger electric vehicle battery catching fire, compared with a 0.1% chance for internal combustion engine cars. (The Home Office said it was unable to provide data for the UK.)

Elon Musk’s Tesla is the world’s biggest maker of electric cars. It says the number of fires on US roads involving Teslas from 2012 to 2021 was 11 times lower per mile than the figure for all cars, the vast majority of which have petrol or diesel engines.

Do electric cars pose a greater fire risk than petrol or diesel vehicles?

The first in a series exploring the myths and realities surrounding EVs

www.theguardian.com

 

[Username_]

All this means is that no one is interested in reporting ICE fires as it wouldn't be news.

People like new tech and the fossil fuel lobby wants to denigrate new BEV tech.

You need evidence, not anecdotes, as the latter is biased.

there's heaps more ICE vehicles on the road and yet no one is interested in reporting ICE fires? LMAO

people just don't care about EVs anywhere near as much as evidenced by the lack of them on the road

cope harder

 

[Bartelby]

Do you naively think that the selection of our news is based on democratic opinion, rather than selected by editors who need to satisfy their "fossil fuel lobby" advertisers?

there's heaps more ICE vehicles on the road and yet no one is interested in reporting ICE fires? LMAO

people just don't care about EVs anywhere near as much as evidenced by the lack of them on the road

cope harder

 

[Crocodile]

Here’s a video that explains what the repair situation is with regards to electric cars at present.
The main points raised here is that even though an EV has less parts than an ICE car whenever it suffers any body damage or battery issues the cost of repair is astronomical. He explains why Hertz is in trouble as an example.
People have to understand that owning an electric car is a different proposition both as a new car and when they get old. The batteries themselves have around 7000 cells that can go wrong.
When you think of young guys and girls getting into the classic or older used car where they tinker with them and restore them with mechanical upgrades, that’s not really viable with EV’s right now. With EV’s it’s all about batteries and computers and you need money and technicians who know their way around electronics. It’s not like the current days where you fit in a V8 and new suspension or a turbo but instead you will be replacing the computer interface and buying a new battery. There’s no passion in that right now, and in 20 years tine it will make no sense unless one of the EV makers make something that looks like a 240z or 2000gt. They are also 2 tonnes of plastic, computers and batteries - so where’s the soul in that.

 

[Bartelby]

Tesla overcharges, but not other BEV brands:

AN reports, “Average repair costs were $5,552 for Teslas, $4,474 for non-Tesla EVs, and $4,205 for combustion vehicles in the quarter.” On average, a damaged Tesla costs $1,347 more to repair than a damaged gas-powered car, but a damaged EV from another automaker costs just $269 more.

 

[Crocodile]

Do you naively think that the selection of our news is based on democratic opinion, rather than selected by editors who need to satisfy their "fossil fuel lobby" advertisers?

Who are the fossil fuel lobby and advertiser customers? I keep thinking you are referring to companies like Shell, Ampol, BP, AGL or Origin but all these companies invest in renewables as well as oil, gas and coal and even their service stations have EV charging infrastructure being built. If these companies are spending billions on solar panels why would they push oil only ? They would be happy either way for things to happen and the Arab oil sheiks are so rich they could own all renewable companies and EV companies at any time of their choosing . If they wanted to they could drop the price of oil so low that they could completely change the whole game at the bat of an eyelid,
I just think you roll out fossil Lobby as a phrase to fob off anyone that says something you don’t like about electric cars.
Why not accept that all things have their advantages and disadvantages and depend on other associated factors plus things change as people have a better understanding of the logistics. I said before I like the quietness of electric cars which would be nice for people who lived on a busy road and didn’t like the car and truck noise when they are going for a walk or going to bed. In other things like future surveillance living they are a potential nightmare for the freedom loving people of the world;

 

[Bartelby]

Fossil fuel companies "greenwash" their offerings, but they make their real money out of fossil fuels.

It's unsurprising to see that you are always running the fossil fuel lobby's line that they also do renewables.

Who are the fossil fuel lobby and advertiser customers? I keep thinking you are referring to companies like Shell, Ampol, BP, AGL or Origin but all these companies invest in renewables as well as oil, gas and coal and even their service stations have EV charging infrastructure being built.
I just think you roll out fossil Lobby as a phrase to fob off anyone that says something you don’t like about electric cars.
Why not accept that all things have their advantages and disadvantages and depend on other associated factors plus things change as people have a better understanding of the logistics;

 

[Crocodile]

Fossil fuel companies "greenwash" their offerings, but they make their real money out of fossil fuels.

It's unsurprising to see that you are always running the fossil fuel lobby's line that they also do renewables.

What are you talking about ? Fossil fuel companies have already rebranded themselves as energy companies and they have close collaborative arrangements with governments around the world and win all the tenders for renewable projects because they are very rich. Most of the few renewable only companies from Europe are pulling out of projects left right and centre because they can’t make an ROI even when the government supports it financially.
Do you think the Norwegian government is going to shut down their oil industry - I don’t thinks so - it’s what has made Norway so rich and has given them the opportunity to invest the money on whatever they like. Australia is the only country in the world that makes more money out of China than the other way around - all because of coal, gas, rare minerals and food. I cannot see that stopping.
And from a climate change narrative the whole thing is a joke. Australia mines the coal and ships it to ports in China and then China uses it to make Electric cars and ships them back to Australia just so that people like yourself can drive around thinking you are virtuous in saving the planet. Your solar panels also come from China made with Australian coal and those public chargers still connect to a grid that is mostly powered by coal, gas and hydro.
This arrangement will go on for decades. There was talk of Australia becoming a solar energy super power and that they are going to drill
transmission cables under the sea to places like Singapore but by the time they do that ( 2080) snd the cost involved, everyone will doing other things with their money and technology and you will still be measuring the temperature of the planet,

 

[Bartelby]

Fossil fuel companies make their real money from fossil fuels. Despite telling me they're rebranding with renewables, you then tell us they (and Australia) grow rich from coal and gas.

What are you talking about ? Fossil fuel companies have already rebranded themselves as energy companies and they have close collaborative arrangements with governments around the world and win all the tenders for renewable projects because they are very rich. Most of the few renewable only companies from Europe are pulling out of projects left right and centre because they can’t make an ROI even when the government supports it financially.
Do you think the Norwegian government is going to shut down their oil industry - I don’t thinks so - it’s what has made Norway so rich and has given them the opportunity to invest the money on whatever they like. Australia is the only country in the world that makes more money out of China than the other way around - all because of coal, gas, rare minerals and food. I cannot see that stopping.
And from a climate change narrative the whole thing is a joke. Australia mines to coal and ships it to ports in China and then China uses it to make Electric cars just so that people like yourself can drive around thinking you are virtuous in saving the planet. Your solar panels also come from China made with Australian coal and those public chargers still connect to a grid that is mostly powered by coal, gas and hydro.

 

[Crocodile]

Fossil fuel companies make their real money from fossil fuels. Despite telling me they're rebranding, you then tell us they (and Australia) grow rich from coal and gas.

China doesn’t want Australian sunbeams and sea breezes - they want Australia’s coal that they can buy very cheaply to put in their 1421 coal plants that burn 24/7 so they can make goods at a dirt cheap price per unit which allows them to have a competitive price advantage on the global marketplace. This set up will not change. If sunbeams were reliable, energy dense and cheap they would have drilled some underground cables to Australia by now but they are not because the whole thing is a just a whole load of chaos and failure. They could have done their their own version of it but they are not because they have done the figures already,
For a country like Australia with a lot of sunshine to set up enough solar panels to be fully self sufficient ( even before export possibility ) would require trillions of dollars including the batteries and millions of panels ordered from China made by Australian coal, so the money it makes from coal sales to China would be wiped out by the solar panels. Where is the sense in that plus you are wrecking Australia’s beautiful landscape with the ugly solar installations which themselves must be reflecting a lot of heat into the stratosphere and since you are a student of climate perhaps you could compare the difference in temperature between building solar installations v planting trees.

 

[Username_]

only on these forums will you come across the terms 'fossil fuel lobby' and have no idea who or what organisation it is

 

[Crocodile]

When one thinks about the climate change policies and initiatives the biggest legislative power in matters of decarbonisation comes from the European Parliament in Strasbourg and Brussels. This is where the EU council came up with the ESG system which includes a variety of net zero initiatives as well as social ideological agendas. So basically each company is rated on how green and socially progressive they are and if a company doesn’t meet the standard other entities won’t deal with them and banks won’t lend to them. They are already starting to implement this ideology to individuals where banks and other companies may distance themselves from you or shut your bank account if they see that your ideology or compliance doesn’t match or comply with theirs. To better surveil each persons behaviour they want to have everyone on a digital identity system and remove cash so that everything you do can be monitored. This will include a personal carbon usage score. Your movement around your city is part of this and the electric car is central to this technology including the cameras that are everywhere on the roads. The way they have set the cameras up in Australian cities is very strategic in that there is no way you can avoid one when you are going from one suburb to another - they have you covered from one end of the city to the other - not bad for a country that can’t fix pot holes or update the water pipes and be in debt - but they wanted this so badly that money wasn’t a problem to them.
The system is spreading to the UK and they want to push it into the United States and the rest of the world. That’s why in Australia you are seeing organisations pushing social policies to customers, food stores telling you how and what to think about health, social and political issues instead of focusing on giving good service or better products. By doing this raises their ESG score, in the US Bill Gates has a high score because of his allegiances while Elon has slipped because of his allegiances despite that he makes EV’s. So even if you make green things but you align with someone who doesn’t pass the progressive score then you are marked down. Maybe he didn’t have enough intersectionality.
All in all what’s happening is that the cost of everything have gone up and companies are failing and going broke especially if you are a small business. They don’t like small businesses because too many of those means too much work to control. This is also happening in the car industry.
However where the agenda falls apart and where the hypocrisy is noticed is with how the ESG system functions within the western world v how it relates to China snd Russia. If say a European country advertises conservative social values and uses coal or gas then they are demonised and have money held back so that the company collapses. However the same criteria is not applied to China or Russia otherwise if they did all those nations economies would fail as well and this is the dirty little secret that exposes the whole ,follow the science climate, forced dogma.
The objectives of net zero and combating global warming does not match the legislation in action and this is why those who care to think critically ( demonised as conspiracy theorists ) question the whole agenda,

 

[Bartelby]

People used to say the same thing about the 'tobacco lobby'.

The lobby used to pump money into think tanks that proclaimed "freedom of choice" and "no link between smoking and cancer".

The fossil fuel lobby now likes to say we do renewables because we're energy agnostic while pumping money into disinformation to protect their coal, gas and oil bonanza.

only on these forums will you come across the terms 'fossil fuel lobby' and have no idea who or what organisation it is

 

[Bartelby]

My friend has embraced conspiracy theories and I’m fed up with it

Think of him like a car in a skid, you want to take the steering wheel and switch direction, but the car has too much momentum and it will carry on the same path

www.theguardian.com

Your friend’s embrace of conspiracy theories seems to be a modern manifestation of this same desire for certainty. By aligning himself with right-wing narratives, he has constructed a worldview that feels predictable and ordered. His admiration for figures who present themselves as “strong”, decisive leaders will be tied to his need for clear, unambiguous answers.

When one thinks about the climate change policies and initiatives the biggest legislative power in matters of decarbonisation comes from the European Parliament in Strasbourg and Brussels. This is where the EU council came up with the ESG system which includes a variety of net zero initiatives as well as social ideological agendas. So basically each company is rated on how green and socially progressive they are and if a company doesn’t meet the standard other entities won’t deal with them and banks won’t lend to them. They are already starting to implement this ideology to individuals where banks and other companies may distance themselves from you or shut your bank account if they see that your ideology or compliance doesn’t match or comply with theirs. To better surveil each persons behaviour they want to have everyone on a digital identity system and remove cash so that everything you do can be monitored. This will include a personal carbon usage score. Your movement around your city is part of this and the electric car is central to this technology including the cameras that are everywhere on the roads. The way they have set the cameras up in Australian cities is very strategic in that there is no way you can avoid one when you are going from one suburb to another - they have you covered from one end of the city to the other - not bad for a country that can’t fix pot holes or update the water pipes and be in debt - but they wanted this so badly that money wasn’t a problem to them.
The system is spreading to the UK and they want to push it into the United States and the rest of the world. That’s why in Australia you are seeing organisations pushing social policies to customers, food stores telling you how and what to think about health, social and political issues instead of focusing on giving good service or better products. By doing this raises their ESG score, in the US Bill Gates has a high score because of his allegiances while Elon has slipped because of his allegiances despite that he makes EV’s. So even if you make green things but you align with someone who doesn’t pass the progressive score then you are marked down. Maybe he didn’t have enough intersectionality.
All in all what’s happening is that the cost of everything have gone up and companies are failing and going broke especially if you are a small business. They don’t like small businesses because too many of those means too much work to control. This is also happening in the car industry.
However where the agenda falls apart and where the hypocrisy is noticed is with how the ESG system functions within the western world v how it relates to China snd Russia. If say a European country advertises conservative social values and uses coal or gas then they are demonised and have money held back so that the company collapses. However the same criteria is not applied to China or Russia otherwise if they did all those nations economies would fail as well and this is the dirty little secret that exposes the whole ,follow the science climate, forced dogma.
The objectives of net zero and combating global warming does not match the legislation in action and this is why those who care to think critically ( demonised as conspiracy theorists ) question the whole agenda,

 

[Crocodile]

My friend has embraced conspiracy theories and I’m fed up with it

Think of him like a car in a skid, you want to take the steering wheel and switch direction, but the car has too much momentum and it will carry on the same path

www.theguardian.com

Your friend’s embrace of conspiracy theories seems to be a modern manifestation of this same desire for certainty. By aligning himself with right-wing narratives, he has constructed a worldview that feels predictable and ordered. His admiration for figures who present themselves as “strong”, decisive leaders will be tied to his need for clear, unambiguous answers.

1. ESG is not a conspiracy theory
2. The European Parliaments agenda and legislation is a real document
3. Individuals having their accounts closed due to not being on board with a banks social policy is real
4. Cameras everywhere are real
5. Car surveillance on EV’s are real
6. Digital identity and QR codes are real and can be used against citizens to gain compliance or exclude out of services or businesses
7. Central bank digital currency is real
8. Climate change activists who attack western countries go silent on countries that share their ideology - that’s especially true
9. 15 minute neighbourhoods proposals and policies are real
None of these are conspiracy theories - you just don’t like what I have said so you are trying to discredit and censor,
If you are going to advocate for climate action on global warming you have to be consistent across the globe otherwise the exercise is pointless. China just built the Daxon Airport costing 80
Billion dollars instead of reducing green house gases. Why aren’t you complaining ? You scream your head off if Australia delays shutting down a coal plant but silence about Chinas -1421 coal plants and the fact that 95 percent of all new coal plants were built, were built in China - where is your follow the science there. You are doing more damage to climate change then good because you have double standards,

 

[Bartelby]

Things can be real and yet spin can make them unreal. 15-minute cities are a real proposal even if none really exist in Australia. You turn them into an unreal conspiracy.

A 12-year-old girl has become a champion of the latest 'surreal' conspiracy theory

Conspiracy theorists have a new, unlikely target: The world of urban planning.

www.abc.net.au

1. ESG is not a conspiracy theory
2. The European Parliaments agenda and legislation is a real document
3. Individuals having their accounts closed due to not being on board with a banks social policy is real
4. Cameras everywhere are real
5. Car surveillance on EV’s are real
6. Digital identity and QR codes are real and can be used against citizens to gain compliance or exclude out of services or businesses
7. Central bank digital currency is real
8. Climate change activists who attack western countries go silent on countries that share their ideology - that’s especially true
9. 15 minute neighbourhoods proposals and policies are real
None of these are conspiracy theories - you just don’t like what I have said so you are trying to discredit and censor,
If you are going to advocate for climate action on global warming you have to be consistent across the globe otherwise the exercise is pointless. China just built the Daxon Airport costing 80
Billion dollars instead of reducing green house gases. Why aren’t you complaining ? You scream your head off if Australia delays shutting down a coal plant but silence about Chinas -1421 coal plants and the fact that 95 percent of all new coal plants were built, were built in China - where is your follow the science there. You are doing more damage to climate change then good because you have double standards,

 

[Crocodile]

People used to say the same thing about the 'tobacco lobby'.

The lobby used to pump money into think tanks that proclaimed "freedom of choice" and "no link between smoking and cancer".

The fossil fuel lobby now likes to say we do renewables because we're energy agnostic while pumping money into disinformation to protect their coal, gas and oil bonanza.

Not a good comparison. When you go to a BP charging station to charge up your EV - then that’s what it is.
When you go to an Origin solar installation prescient that’s what it is,
The alternative would be something like this - no BP charging stations and no Origin solar installations - which one do you prefer.
As far as smoking is concerned - governments had plenty of opportunities to ban them as with alcohol but they don’t because they rake in billions of dollars in indexed excise taxes and the bigger the government the more taxes they want. Can’t have it both ways you know;

 

[Crocodile]

Things can be real and yet spin can make them unreal. 15-minute cities are a real proposal even if none really exist in Australia. You turn them into an unreal conspiracy.

A 12-year-old girl has become a champion of the latest 'surreal' conspiracy theory

Conspiracy theorists have a new, unlikely target: The world of urban planning.

www.abc.net.au

I never came up with the idea in the first place. It was the fellow who started C40 cities and the local councils that signed up to it. Why sign up to C40 cities when you don’t need to ?
People in the United Kingdom know all about it especially with Sadiq Khan and all his new laws and restrictions. Look at all the cameras everywhere. As usual it’s publications such as the Guardian and ABC who advocate for 15 minute cities who then turn around and say it’s a conspiracy theory when the citizens get upset with the restrictions. It’s a typical strategy where you go out and hurt people with oppressive measures and gaslight the people when they get hurt and complain so you can shut them down. This gaslighting and demonising is a dark and evil strategy and a psychological operation that has been well thought out and used many times before.