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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
You'd blame China for the invention of the common cold. It's called China Derangement Syndrome or CDS.
No that’s not true - when I point out that China produces almost 40 percent of the globes emissions that’s just a fact, and not an accusation or placing blame.
I only raise this fact when when when one displays climate hypocrisy by supporting a country that produces the most emissions.
It’s a similar example with the pandemic response. Australia didn’t follow their own plan which Abbott put together based on the English model but instead adopted the Chinese model whereas Sweden adopted the English model and had better overall outcomes. This is not blaming China - this is just a record of what happened,
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
You'd blame China for the invention of the common cold. It's called China Derangement Syndrome or CDS.
No that’s not true - when I point out that China produces almost 40 percent of the globes emissions that’s just a fact, and not an accusation or placing blame. It’s very hard to be a fierce activist for decarbonisation while at the same time support the country that is the most carbonised - that’s the inconsistency, The question should then be, Why are you so inconsistent in your position on climate change and emissions ?
I only raise this fact when one displays climate hypocrisy by supporting a country that produces the most emissions.
It’s a similar example with the pandemic response. Australia didn’t follow their own plan which Abbott put together based on the English model but instead adopted the Chinese model whereas Sweden adopted the English model and had better overall outcomes. This is not blaming China - this is just a record of what happened
 

Flootoo

Semi-Pro
Another strawman argument.
This is where you let yourself down by not being able to grasp fundamental economic concepts. The truth is, in regard to your above comment, is that it tends to happen to people who require the funding from governments and certain corporates to make a living otherwise they would be a failure,
Others on the other hand who believe in freedom structures tend to be independent and responsible for their lives and have no need to be dependent on anyone.
I think you would be less abusive and angry if you could achieve this type of success;

NOBODY thinks EVs are the best way to do anything at all.
You've been told this several times, but you're too stupid to believe it.
 
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Flootoo

Semi-Pro
No, he has a science opposition to EVs, which makes sense now.
He doesn't like EVs because his idol is Jeremy Cuntsson, and he wants to emulate him - including the mullet and dad-humour with all its racism etc. He thinks liking the Morris Minor and the Wolsely Super 6 doesn't mean he's just a gammon.
To hide that, he claims that he is opposed to EVs because the cars will somehow scan his ID and stop working if he's behind on his daily Marxism Meditation.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
He doesn't like EVs because his idol is Jeremy Cuntsson, and he wants to emulate him - including the mullet and dad-humour with all its racism etc. He thinks liking the Morris Minor and the Wolsely Super 6 doesn't mean he's just a gammon.
To hide that, he claims that he is opposed to EVs because the cars will somehow scan his ID and stop working if he's behind on his daily Marxism Meditation.
EVs are in serious trouble world-wide.

It was always just a niche market.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Misconceptions and the early removal of rebates have put the brakes on electric car sales, an industry group warns as figures show adoption has slowed.
But sales of hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles continued to accelerate over the last six months despite challenging economic conditions, according to analysis by the Australian Automobile Association.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Misconceptions and the early removal of rebates have put the brakes on electric car sales, an industry group warns as figures show adoption has slowed.
But sales of hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles continued to accelerate over the last six months despite challenging economic conditions, according to analysis by the Australian Automobile Association.
Hybrids are fossil fuel cars.
 

vokazu

Legend

What is the current air quality in Beijing?​

Air pollution levelAir quality indexMain pollutant
Unhealthy for sensitive groups108 US AQI⁺
trend
PM2.5

PM2.5 concentration in Beijing is currently 7.7 times the WHO annual air quality guideline value


 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.

What is the current air quality in Beijing?​

Air pollution levelAir quality indexMain pollutant
Unhealthy for sensitive groups108 US AQI⁺
trend
PM2.5

PM2.5 concentration in Beijing is currently 7.7 times the WHO annual air quality guideline value


Exactly right and if you have a look at real
time PM 2.5 the situation is quite sad in China
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Curbing of carbon emissions remains a fiction in Australia and the West:


Emissions from oil in China have probably peaked owing to the boom in electric vehicles.
Carbon emissions in Australia is about 1.2 percent while China sits around the high 30’s. Any propaganda of China peaking is not correct. It’s the Guardian lying again so much that nobody believes what they put out. Not only is China’s air poisonous for humans but their soils are contaminated with cadmium and other heavy metals and so are their water ways. Any sort of moderation in emissions would only, show up as a consequence of lockdowns and to suggest that it’s because of electric cars is lying. I don’t think it’s wise to distort the narrative or have a meltdown because things are not going your way at present. You are trying to make out as if Australia is a giant evil carbon emitter while China is a saintly model of green energy which is just nonsense. Only 5.6 percent of Chinese people per capita own electric cars. Probably the highest would be Iceland and Norway but they have small populations in small travelling distances as they are small countries.
What you should do is book a flight to a major Chinese city and look up in the sky and see if you can see the sun or a clear sky.
Countries like China are not pre occupied with climate change like activists are in western countries. They are more interested in economic expansion, making lots of money and prosperity which is what large countries would naturally do.
Another aspect of all this is that while China increases its manufacturing capabilities their emissions will continue to rise. If they keep manufacturing more cars at the expense of the west making less of everything, the west will
continue to have less pollution and healthier environments while people in China will drown in pollution and health related problems. I will make a prediction that within 20 years 90 percent of Chinese super rich elite will not live in China and nor will they consume food grown in China.
And I have to repeat - “ What aspect of 1.2 percent carbon usage do you not understand that you have go on criticising Australia ?” No wonder so many people are turning away from this rule of narrative that makes no sense.
 
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The president of the country where all the people are going using private jets to fly in for the climate conference to tell us to start austerity measures knows what's what.
And it will be great when Trump starts issuing drilling permits in the US as well.
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
Electric motors are significantly more efficient than internal combustion engines (ICEs) because they convert a greater portion of the energy into usable power. Electric vehicles (EVs) utilize more than 77% of the electrical energy from the grid to generate motion at the wheels, making them highly efficient. In contrast, gasoline-powered vehicles only convert about 12% to 30% of the energy in gasoline into movement, with the majority lost as heat and friction.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Trump's new Department of Government Efficiency is so efficient that if takes two people to run it - only in America!

A new "axis of climate denialist evil" is undoubtedly forming, however, but China is powering ahead with the green economy.


The president of the country where all the people are going using private jets to fly in for the climate conference to tell us to start austerity measures knows what's what.
And it will be great when Trump starts issuing drilling permits in the US as well.
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Trump's new Department of Government Efficiency is so efficient that if takes two people to run it - only in America!

A new "axis of climate denialist evil" is undoubtedly forming, however, but China is powering ahead with the green economy.
China may be building electric cars, wind turbines and solar panels for their western economic customers but they are powering it with Australian coal.
China has no intention of reaching net zero by 2050, they barely intend to get there by 2060 and all of this is not binding.
Interestingly it is Matt Kean and Chris Bowen and the Taliban that is ahead of China at Cop 29. Fancy seeing the Taliban there ahead of China. Is Xi at COP 29.
Btw when the climate scientists claimed that we all of a sudden exceeded 1.5 degrees Celsius did they forget to mention that they changed the measuring data from 1850 to the 1600s. That’s a bit of tricky mathematics;
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
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What is the current air quality in Beijing?​

Air pollution levelAir quality indexMain pollutant
Unhealthy for sensitive groups108 US AQI⁺
trend
PM2.5

PM2.5 concentration in Beijing is currently 7.7 times the WHO annual air quality guideline value


 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
"Government Efficiency" is the greatest oxymoron.
Trump's new Department of Government Efficiency is so efficient that if takes two people to run it - only in America!
At least half the Federal bureaucrats can be eliminated immediately. We can start with that my dearest.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster


“So the energy is in the system, and we can tailor it right now, because there’s negative prices during the day, and we’re flooding the system (with solar) that could go quite easily into the fleet with a million vehicles with in my opinion.”

Tadich also noted that the the company’s Supercharger fleet, already at more than 100 supercharging sites, is doing most of its charging during the day, when electricity prices are often negative, which mean Tesla often gets paid to charge its EVs. “That’s just showing the way that the energy systems are evolving,” he says.


Chau Le, the head of e-mobility at Origin Energy, says the growth of EVs is presenting a unique opportunity to transform two major industries.

“We’ve got an energy system that needs to decarbonizse, and EVs provide such a valuable energy asset to support that decarbonization journey,” she said.

“These cars have batteries, like 60 kilowatt hours, multiple times the batteries that people put in their home.

“So if we can connect all of these millions of batteries on wheels to the energy system to soak up all of that excess renewable energy that is otherwise curtailed and then feed that back into the grid during periods of high demand, that is massive value that the transport sector can add to the energy sector.
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
Misconceptions and the early removal of rebates have put the brakes on electric car sales, an industry group warns as figures show adoption has slowed.
But sales of hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicles continued to accelerate over the last six months despite challenging economic conditions, according to analysis by the Australian Automobile Association.
You posted that Tesla Model Y was the #1 seller in recent months in America. Higher sales than any ICE vehicle.
Australia has a much better charging infrastructure and a much greener grid. Australia, unlike America, has zero tariffs on BEVs.
So why are Australian BEV sales still in the toilet despite Bart's obnoxious neverending BEV cheerleading and climate agitation?
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You, croc and others who pedal the 'fake news' stories about BEVs are largely to blame:

Misinformation and politicisation are rampant​

The full environmental benefits of electric vehicles depend on widespread adoption. However, there is a wide gap between early adopters’ experiences and potential buyers’ perceptions.

Persistent misconceptions include exaggerated concerns about battery life, charging infrastructure and safety. Myths and misinformation often fuel these concerns. Traditional vehicle and oil companies actively spread misinformation in campaigns much like those used against other green energy initiatives.

In response, coalitions such as Electric Vehicles UK have formed to combat these false narratives and promote accurate information.

The politicisation of green initiatives adds to the challenge. When electric vehicles become associated with a specific political ideology, it can alienate large parts of the population. Adoption then becomes slower and more divisive.

You posted that Tesla Model Y was the #1 seller in recent months in America. Higher sales than any ICE vehicle.
Australia has a much better charging infrastructure and a much greener grid. Australia has zero tariffs on BEVs.
So why are Australian BEV sales still in the toilet despite Bart's obnoxious neverending BEV cheerleading and climate agitation?
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
You, croc and others who pedal the 'fake news' stories about BEVs are largely to blame:

Misinformation and politicisation are rampant​

The full environmental benefits of electric vehicles depend on widespread adoption. However, there is a wide gap between early adopters’ experiences and potential buyers’ perceptions.

Persistent misconceptions include exaggerated concerns about battery life, charging infrastructure and safety. Myths and misinformation often fuel these concerns. Traditional vehicle and oil companies actively spread misinformation in campaigns much like those used against other green energy initiatives.

In response, coalitions such as Electric Vehicles UK have formed to combat these false narratives and promote accurate information.

The politicisation of green initiatives adds to the challenge. When electric vehicles become associated with a specific political ideology, it can alienate large parts of the population. Adoption then becomes slower and more divisive.
Here is the only vehicle which satisfies the needed criteria.


"In a sobering revelation from a Boston Consulting Group study, the vast majority of potential EV adopters want three things to happen before they’ll seriously consider switching from gas to EV — they want under 20-minute charging times, a 350-mile plus driving range and a sticker price of under $50,000. With only one EV — the Hyundai Ioniq 6 SE RWD Long Range — meeting those criteria, the industry has a long way to go."
https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/newsroom/detail/hyundai-2023-ioniq-6-se-long-range-rwd-achieves-epa-estimated-driving-range-of-361-miles-0000000182#:~:text=EPA-estimated 361 mile driving,on a fully charged battery.
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
You, croc and others who pedal the 'fake news' stories about BEVs are largely to blame:
What part of "Tesla was the top-selling car in America" does BEV Bart not understand? Higher sales than any ICE vehicle.
:rolleyes:
America is the trendsetter and the rest of the world follows. Yet BEV Bart blames Sky News for his failures.
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
EV adopters want three things to happen before they’ll seriously consider switching from gas to EV — they want under 20-minute charging times,
We can hang out with our favourite BEV Bart for hours at the public charging station.
a 350-mile plus driving range and a sticker price of under $50,000. With only one EV — the Hyundai Ioniq 6 SE RWD Long Range — meeting those criteria, the industry has a long way to go."
The reality is that these cars are too bloody expensive. Only BEV Bart and his elitist friends can afford.
That is fine. But limiting choice and imposing these expensive BEVs onto average households is unconscionable and inexcusable.
There is no rush here. The focus should be on upgrading the grid/charging infrastructure.
But Green Star radicals fail to comprehend this economic reality.

Thank goodness Nov 5 arrived to save us from Greenie extremists that wish to limit CHOICE. We really dodged a bullet.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The Ministry of Silly Walks aka the Department of Government Efficiency requires "four legs good, two legs bad"

Musk takes giant strides on his first day at the office!

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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
You, croc and others who pedal the 'fake news' stories about BEVs are largely to blame:

Misinformation and politicisation are rampant​

The full environmental benefits of electric vehicles depend on widespread adoption. However, there is a wide gap between early adopters’ experiences and potential buyers’ perceptions.

Persistent misconceptions include exaggerated concerns about battery life, charging infrastructure and safety. Myths and misinformation often fuel these concerns. Traditional vehicle and oil companies actively spread misinformation in campaigns much like those used against other green energy initiatives.

In response, coalitions such as Electric Vehicles UK have formed to combat these false narratives and promote accurate information.

The politicisation of green initiatives adds to the challenge. When electric vehicles become associated with a specific political ideology, it can alienate large parts of the population. Adoption then becomes slower and more divisive.
The question has been asked many times and no answer has been given.
How much will emissions drop if the 2.47 billion petrol cars and their fossil fuel infrastructure is replaced with BEV’s and their renewable infrastructure and the 2nd part of this question is how much will the temperature of the planet reduce as a consequence ?
I have seen some modelling on this shared by an environmental economist and it’s not very good;
Why don’t we focus on these outcomes ? I understand that things like this are based on future modelling.
The modelling depends on net zero being reached and all cars and their infrastructure switched over to electric and renewable. Do we actually know how long it would take to replace 2.47 billion cars across the globe ? What about net zero targets. A lot of countries are finding it extremely difficult to reach their targets because it’s simply not possible to install billions of solar panels and their transmission wires ? This is not misinformation or disinformation but valid scientific questioning.
As a climate activist you claim to be - you should have the answers to this - not just the Guardian News - they can’t be trusted as everyone now knows around the world:
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Trump's tariffs will make everything "too bloody expensive", so good luck with those empty wallet blues!

We can hang out with our favourite BEV Bart for hours at the public charging station.

The reality is that these cars are too bloody expensive. Only BEV Bart and his elitist friends can afford.
That is fine. But imposing these expensive BEVs onto average households is unconscionable and inexcusable.
There is no rush here. The focus should be on upgrading the grid/charging infrastructure.
But Green Star radicals fail to comprehend this economic reality.

Thank goodness Trump has arrived to save us from Greenie extremists that wish to limit CHOICE. We really dodged a bullet.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
No references to this modelling as usual! Could it be that the only models you know about have two legs?

The question has been asked many times and no answer has been given.
How much will emissions drop if the 2.47 billion petrol cars and their fossil fuel infrastructure is replaced with BEV’s and their renewable infrastructure and the 2nd part of this question is how much will the temperature of the planet reduce as a consequence ?
I have seen some modelling on this shared by an environmental economist and it’s not very good;
Why don’t we focus on these outcomes ? I understand that things like this are based on future modelling.
The modelling depends on net zero being reached and all cars and their infrastructure switched over to electric and renewable. Do we actually know how long it would take to replace 2.47 billion cars across the globe ? What about net zero targets. A lot of countries are finding it extremely difficult to reach their targets because it’s simply not possible to install billions of solar panels and their transmission wires ? This is not misinformation or disinformation but valid scientific questioning.
As a climate activist you claim to be - you should have the answers to this - not just the Guardian News - they can’t be trusted as everyone now knows around the world:
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
The Ministry of Silly Walks aka the Department of Government Efficiency requires "four legs good, two legs bad"

Musk takes giant strides on his first day at the office!

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You guys had your chance and the people have made their decision. Let’s see how the other mob goes.
Australia has had wall to wall Labor socialists everywhere and have not got much to show for it. Victoria is their best product which is a disgrace as people are leaving and don’t want to live there after Dan destroyed the place leaving people in trauma. While we are not suggesting that the other major party is better but people want government out of their lives:
 

Better_Call_Raul

Hall of Fame
Here is the only vehicle which satisfies the needed criteria.
Leaving aside the obscenely high bloody price, long charging and range anxiety headaches. What is the actual driving experience like?
Neither our favourite BEV Bart and I have ever driven a BEV (Please note that BEV Bart hates driving). So we both are BEVirgins in that sense.
We imagine it is much quieter than an ICE. But apart from that nothing else comes to mind. :unsure:
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
No references to this modelling as usual! Could it be that the only models you know about have two legs?
So you want me to provide the modelling that you won’t do your self or answer any questions? How does that make any sense ? No wonder people are moving on.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
As a statistician, you know the difference between long-term trends and one-off readings. Please instruct croc!
Why don’t you look at the long term pollution readings of each country in the last decade and also include data such as which country has the most coal plants or built the most recently.
1421coal plants in China must produce more emissions than 24 in Australia right or are you going to try and manipulate the facts. Total is total,
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You have electric vehicle dealerships in India, so take one for a test drive!

Leaving aside the obscenely high bloody price, long charging and range anxiety headaches. What is the actual driving experience like?
Neither our favourite BEV Bart and I have ever driven a BEV (Please note that BEV Bart hates driving). So we both are BEVirgins in that sense.
We imagine it is much quieter than an ICE. But apart from that nothing else comes to mind. :unsure:
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
You claimed that you had irrefutable modelling, but didn't produce it so start taking personal responsibility!
No I never said that data I share is irrefutable because that wouldn’t be science but propaganda, but I do have figures I can share that shows the modelling of choosing one action compared to another which I will get for you as soon as possible. Modelling is just modelling:
Meanwhile you have not answered any of my questions,
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
First share the data before you start nitpicking about adjectives!

No I never said that data I share is irrefutable because that wouldn’t be science but propaganda, but I do have figures I can share that shows the modelling of choosing one action compared to another which I will get for you as soon as possible. Modelling is just modelling:
Meanwhile you have not answered any of my questions,
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
The promoted reason for banning petrol cars and replacing them with electric ones is to reduce carbon emissions and reduce warming of the planet.
What people need is the following information:
1. How much savings in carbon emissions will you make if you exchange 2.47 billion petrol cars and their associated fossil fuel infrastructure with electric cars and their associated renewable infrastructure.
2. And once the transition is made how much will the global temperatures change?
Personally I believe there are other reasons for implementing these changes but we will leave that aside and focus on this and when I get home I will find some research that I have saved and share it with everyone but in the meantime others can answer these two questions, that would be beautiful.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
No one has ever talked about "banning petrol cars" so if you can't get that right it's all downhill from there.

The promoted reason for banning petrol cars and replacing them with electric ones is to reduce carbon emissions and reduce warming of the planet.
What people need is the following information:
1. How much savings in carbon emissions will you make if you exchange 2.47 billion petrol cars and their associated fossil fuel infrastructure with electric cars and their associated renewable infrastructure.
2. And once the transition is made how much will the global temperatures change?
Personally I believe there are other reasons for implementing these changes but we will leave that aside and focus on this and when I get home I will find some research that I have saved and share it with everyone but in the meantime others can answer these two questions, that would be beautiful.
 
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