Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
There is plenty of data and evidence to prove that RFK Jnr is correct - why suppress or censor it? What have you got to lose ?
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
No one is suppressing or censoring your kook. We are disagreeing with him. As an authoritarian, you don't engage in critical debate.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
You called him a kook - that’s an attempt to censor, demonise and shut people up which is what authoritarians try to do.
People who engage in critical debate discuss and compare ideas and don’t call people kooks. I think we should investigate the food that people are eating, the chemicals in foods and the drugs people take and see if we can do things in a better way.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I've called you a conspiracy kook and I still routinely destroy your arguments.
Here is a balanced assessment:
www.bbc.com
Here is a balanced assessment:
RFK Jr: Fact-checking his views on health policy
Robert F Kennedy Jr has been nominated to be the next US health secretary, but some of his views are not backed by science.
www.bbc.com
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Suit yourselfI've called you a conspiracy kook and I still routinely destroy your arguments.
Here is a balanced assessment:
RFK Jr: Fact-checking his views on health policy
Robert F Kennedy Jr has been nominated to be the next US health secretary, but some of his views are not backed by science.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Nothing changes if nothing changes.
Bhagi Katbamna
Legend
That's just not correct. The government didn't give incentives for people to buy standard gasoline powered pickup trucks. In fact, gas-guzzling tax was passed in the '90s specifically to discourage people from buying them. Didn't matter. They still pretty much outsell just about everything.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
My information is that 25% tariffs were placed on imports of autos in the pick-up category. If American autos are substantially cheaper than the foreign competition then this is a price incentive to buy American.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Bhagi Katbamna
Legend
That did not make the American trucks any cheaper than they were and the government didn't give any tax credit for buying them. So people could have bought small efficient foreign cars much cheaper than US pickups but they kept buying the trucks.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Everyone appreciates and marvels at Elon's cutting-edge technology.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Elon is a government contractor growing fat on juicy taxpayer-funded contracts.
Bhagi Katbamna
Legend
Everyone who is able to understand plain English knows you are wrong. You said the govt. gave incentives to people who bought the popular full-size trucks by adding costs to foreign trucks. That is not how the EV incentives work. But, since Global Warming is your religion, I expected from the beginning that you would be immune to logic and facts. Carry on.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I was talking about tariffs on particular classes of ICE autos like pick-ups. I wasn't referring to EV incentives.
Tariffs on foreign BEVs will mean that Tesla BEVs just got a free ride from the American taxpayer to price gouge.
Tariffs on foreign BEVs will mean that Tesla BEVs just got a free ride from the American taxpayer to price gouge.
Everyone who is able to understand plain English knows you are wrong. You said the govt. gave incentives to people who bought the popular full-size trucks by adding costs to foreign trucks. That is not how the EV incentives work. But, since Global Warming is your religion, I expected from the beginning that you would be immune to logic and facts. Carry on.
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Username_
Hall of Fame
the past two decades have proven it with MSM being the most obvious culprit
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The MSM is not completely offside and Mainstream Don is not a disruptor so expect disappointment.
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Bhagi Katbamna
Legend
Thanks for proving me right by trying to move the goalposts. Tesla EV =/= Pickup trucks. The price of a pick up trucks are outselling much cheaper cars that don't have tariffs. In fact, Ford stopped making cars except the Mustang in 2021 because people were buying the more expensive Explorers and Expeditions in addition to the F-150 trucks.
Username_
Hall of Fame
wrong. your favourite man trump was one of the most censored and attacked people in the past 8 years and yet he still got elected
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The pick-up is also a rich man's toy these days. That's why Elon built the Cybertruck.
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Username_
Hall of Fame
you're afraid of facts so you attempt to divert from the truth as always
I guess you like Kennedy, judging from this quote from your link above,I've called you a conspiracy kook and I still routinely destroy your arguments.
Here is a balanced assessment:
RFK Jr: Fact-checking his views on health policy
Robert F Kennedy Jr has been nominated to be the next US health secretary, but some of his views are not backed by science.
"On other matters he has more support, for example in scrutinising the processing of food and the use of additives."
This article is not by scientists, but from journalists, a big difference.
Non-EVs.
"Trump built the Cybertruck"?
I thought that Trump built hotels.
Tariffs and tax subsidies are two different things.
Most people will not pay the tariffs.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The importer pays the tariff so people don’t pay the tariff.
They pay the higher prices.
They pay the higher prices.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Tariffs are a threat. A bargaining tool. Tariffs may not necessarily happen.
The Art Of The Deal.
The Art Of The Deal.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
BEV tariffs stood at a relatively low 25% from 2016-2020. The EU imposed 10% BEV tariffs during this time.
You have failed to explain why CCP BEVs made some inroads into EU and UK but utterly failed to break into the American market, the most lucrative market, during this low-tariff 2016-2020 era.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Chinese BEVs weren't around in 2016-20. They took off after this and therefore US tariffs were created to block them. America thinks it's at war with China.
BEV tariffs stood at a relatively low 25% from 2016-2020. The EU imposed 10% BEV tariffs during this time.
You have failed to explain why CCP BEVs made some inroads into EU and UK but utterly failed to break into the American market, the most lucrative market, during this low-tariff 2016-2020 era.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
The Wuhan lab leak and cover up certainly did not help matters! The truth is slowly coming out.
Published: May 7, 2024
Classified State Department Documents Credibly Suggest COVID-19 Lab Leak, Wenstrup Pushes for Declassification
WASHINGTON — The Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic recently reviewed classified U.S. Department of State (State Department) documents that credibly suggest COVID-19 originated from a lab related accident in Wuhan, China. The documents also strongly convey that the Chinese Communist Party attempted to cover-up the lab leak and that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) maintains a relationship with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA). Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio) is requesting the State Department rapidly declassify this information and share the truth about the origins of COVID-19 with the American people.
These documents were previously released in an unclassified and highly redacted Freedom of Information Act production, first obtained and reported on by U.S. Right to Know — a nonprofit working to expose government failures that threaten public health. The redacted documents showed numerous, highly suggestive subject lines including:
- “Initial Outbreak Could Have Been Contained in China if Beijing Had Not Covered it Up”
- “Xi Lied to Obfuscate His Role in the Cover-Up”
- “PLA Contractor Involved in the Construction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology”
- “PLA Presence at WIV Continued After Construction Completed”
- “Official Chinese Websites Show Robust Cooperation between WIV and PLA”
- “Cyber Evidence of PLA Shadow Labs at WIV and Bioengineering University”
“We write to you today to request that you immediately take steps to declassify this information such that the American people have a more complete picture of the government’s evidence regarding the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic,” wrote Chairman Wenstrup.
View the highly redacted State Department documents here and here.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The idea that the US State Department publishes the truth is more than a little naive.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
America is driving the surveillance economy, not Klaus, so no surprises here:
academic.oup.com
Karen Levy. Data Driven: Truckers, Technology, and the New Workplace Surveillance.
Over the past fifteen years, long-haul truckers have emerged as significant subjects of scholarly inquiry, including those described in Shane Hamilton’s aw
academic.oup.com
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Nobody's gaslighting you my dear. Tariffs sometimes happen. And sometimes tariffs get taken off the table.
Very odd that you fail to recognize that the threats of tariffs are often used as bargaining tools to get deals done.
Talks are ongoing as foreign leaders squirm. Keep the faith.
Canada's Trudeau returns home after Trump meeting without assurances that tariffs are off the table - Breitbart
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is returning home after his meeting with Donald Trump without assurances the president-elect will back away from
www.breitbart.com
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Don promoted tariffs to rebuild American industry, but now you're saying they are bargaining chips that will never happen.
Nobody's gaslighting you my dear. Tariffs sometimes happen. And sometimes tariffs get taken off the table.
Very odd that you fail to recognize that the threats of tariffs are often used as bargaining tools to get deals done.
Talks are ongoing as foreign leaders squirm. Keep the faith.
Canada's Trudeau returns home after Trump meeting without assurances that tariffs are off the table - Breitbart
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is returning home after his meeting with Donald Trump without assurances the president-elect will back away from
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
People are being killed. It is first and foremost a matter of national security.
Rationale for Tariffs: Trump has framed the tariff proposal as a strategy to protect American citizens from what he calls an "invasion" of drugs and illegal immigrants.
He argues that both Canada and Mexico have the capability to address these issues but have not done enough.
Canada, Mexico and China respond to Trump tariff threats
Mexico said it would slap tit-for-tat tariffs on the US, while China said Trump's finger-pointing "runs completely counter to facts".
www.bbc.com
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
In other words, tariffs are a hoax but useful as part of foreign policy to intimidate not the enemy ... but one's own allies.
People are being killed. It is first and foremost a matter of national security.
Rationale for Tariffs: Trump has framed the tariff proposal as a strategy to protect American citizens from what he calls an "invasion" of drugs and illegal immigrants.
He argues that both Canada and Mexico have the capability to address these issues but have not done enough.
Canada, Mexico and China respond to Trump tariff threats
Mexico said it would slap tit-for-tat tariffs on the US, while China said Trump's finger-pointing "runs completely counter to facts".
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Bart - I have a deal for you - if I can find a used EV roughly to the same value of your Honda and I drive it up to you - would you do a swap, give or take a few dollars if need be to be fair ? Only extra fee would be the transfer of registration ?
At least then you could be a true believer of EV’s.
This one is cheap enough right
At least then you could be a true believer of EV’s.
This one is cheap enough right
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You can buy me a new one and have a local dealer deliver it and I'll sell my current car for scrap.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
What’s wrong with your car that it needs to go to scrap? How much is it worth roughly ? Is it an Accord Euro, Civic or CRV ? How old is it ?
What’s wrong with that 2nd hand 12 year old EV with only 80k for an asking price of $7500?
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
No you are adding another EV because the guy selling his Leaf is buying another new EV. So all you are doing is releasing yourself from your Honda while it’s worth something and getting the EV. Is it something like 2004 Accord Euro that you have ?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
But there will only be one fewer ICE auto on the road If I sell it for scrap. It doesn't matter who owns the car. Selling it doesn't make a Honda disappear.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Ok well maybe sell your car for scrap and use that money for a deposit for the 2012 Nissan Leaf with 80k for $7500. You might even get it for $7000.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You wanted to give me a Leaf before and now you want me to pay for something you've chosen.
