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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
China has a far stronger economy and the countries mentioned can't compete so they try to sabotage China's development.

China is a part of BRICS, and the larger global south, so the overwhelming majority of mankind is actually in favour of China.

Why is every country, from both the left and from the right, all aligned against your favourite CCP?
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Trudeau is in the process of standing down so you'll have to shift your fake anger onto someone else.

Freeland is trying to become PM so she talks the talk now before she walks it back upon entering office.

Actually like the idea of taxing overpriced Teslas. And PM is not standing down.
The problem is denying cheap CCP BEVs to the Canadian working class. Your Trudeau is a fraud.
The future of BEVs in Trudeau's Canada does not appear much brighter than BEVs in Trump's America.
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Trudeau is not a leftist and the allies of America were sold the idea to get tough on China before your beloved Donald returned.

If the mango man-child is a friend of the working class, he could always take the tariffs off and get Canada and Europe to follow suit.

Actually like the idea of taxing overpriced Teslas. And PM is not standing down.
The problem is denying cheap CCP BEVs to the Canadian working class. Your Trudeau is a fraud.
The future of BEVs in Trudeau's Canada does not appear much brighter than BEVs in Trump's America.
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Trump is not transactional. He is an aggressive imperialist who will also crash the world economy. This is going to end badly for everyone.

As Elon has said, Trump is very transactional.
Trump wants to buy Gaza. Bibi has called the plan "innovative and transformative".
Hamas is opposed but as a terrorist government they have no say in the matter.


 

RSJfan

Hall of Fame
As Elon has said, Trump is very transactional.
Trump wants to buy Gaza. Bibi has called the plan "innovative and transformative".
Hamas is opposed but as a terrorist government they have no say in the matter…
Buying? :rolleyes: It’s like buying a Superfund site. You can have it for free. But then you’re obligated to do all the remediation. LOL Hamas weighing in. Hamas should get out of Dodge while it still can. When the war starts up again your fav Donald has promised that “all hell will break lose.” That sounds about right.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
History shows that it’s centrally planned socialist economies that ends badly for everyone, just look at the amount of deaths and misery Mao alone caused.
The biggest problem with socialism is they use nice words to con people to their ideology and then everything they do is destructive. People who have lived or know how bad it is.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
China is doing fantastically well and yet the very same communist party is in charge, old boy, so there is something very wrong with your thinking.

In any event, this has nothing to do with the EV although it does appear that the centrally planned Trump economy has no place for that conveyance.

History shows that it’s centrally planned socialist economies that ends badly for everyone, just look at the amount of deaths and misery Mao alone caused.
The biggest problem with socialism is they use nice words to con people to their ideology and then everything they do is destructive. People who have lived or know how bad it is.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
China is doing fantastically well and yet the very same communist party is in charge, old boy, so there is something very wrong with your thinking.

In any event, this has nothing to do with the EV although it does appear that the centrally planned Trump economy has no place for that conveyance.
I don’t believe your comments are the correct sentiments.
What you will find is that the US Government currently is very popular because they are doing what the people wanted. It’s is commonly quoted that liberty occurs when governments serve the people while tyranny occurs when people serve the government. I believe you are in the second group when it comes to valuing liberty.
As for the PROC, I don’t believe they are doing well right now and their EV industry is testimony to that with the massive subsidies needed to keep their industry afloat.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I believe you are too gullible. How is a country threatening the world with tariffs and places like Gaza anything other than a tyranny?

I don’t believe your comments are the correct sentiments.
What you will find is that the US Government currently is very popular because they are doing what the people wanted. It’s is commonly quoted that liberty occurs when governments serve the people while tyranny occurs when people serve the government. I believe you are in the second group when it comes to valuing liberty.
As for the PROC, I don’t believe they are doing well right now and their EV industry is testimony to that with the massive subsidies needed to keep their industry afloat.
 

taster

Rookie
Our favourite BEV Bart is an extremely low-mileage driver. He walks/cycles/uses public transport more than he drives. As is typical for Green Star people.
He drives less than 50 miles a week. In his trusty ICE no less. He loathes driving. Does not enjoy long romantic road trips.
Yet we are supposed to believe that such a person is a staunch BEV enthusiast. It does not add up. It is a huge Red Flag.
He is under orders to promote expensive inconvenient BEVs to bring down the economies and living standards of Western capitalist Democracies.

American ICE vehicle are a symbol of personal freedom and mobility. The freedom to fuel up at any time and and drive 3000 miles cross-country without government interference and surveillance.
I don't think it's in China's interest to actually bring down the living standards of Western capitalist democracies. In fact, China has a vested interest the continued success of the West, or the West's capacity to buy it's products, which depends on a degree of Western success. Imagine for a second that the West did not exist, think of the implications of that for China.
The West is effected by production continually shifting to China, service economies are innately hampered by things like trade deficit's and income inequality, so there are limits to the amount a country can be dependent on imports - yes that's important. But just as US manufacturing is about creating wealth in the US rather than undermining the living standards of those countries it exports to, the end result is much the same for any country engaged in that system.
Capitalism isn't a zero sum game - it benefits almost everyone. If the CCP don't comprehend Adam Smith's invisible hand, then they don't understand capitalism (which they have largely adopted) at a quite fundamental level.

Surveillance culture has happened in regimes - including China, with far less sophisticated technology than China currently has. Yes, it might be one of the reasons behind the push for things like EV's, but I think a big part of China's enthusiasm for so called 'green technologies', is the West's apparent enthusiasm for green tech, as signalled by many of it's leaders and policy shapers.
State surveillance and economic interest might amount to the same thing. The great moral cause, about which most Western leaders are committed to - at least ostensibly, is net zero. China's leaders, know they must deliver economically in order to safeguard their own position, but also have a genuine desire to see their population continue to prosper - economically. They calculate China's self interest is best served by investing in things that they anticipate the West will most likely want in the future. China also calculates that it stands to gain by giving lip service to things like net zero - for Western delectation, while pursuing the exact opposite approach on the ground. Part of that is to do with the fact that China is quite poorly endowed with things like oil and gas, which is why it's economy is so dependent on coal - even for electricity.
 

taster

Rookie
I don’t believe your comments are the correct sentiments.
What you will find is that the US Government currently is very popular because they are doing what the people wanted. It’s is commonly quoted that liberty occurs when governments serve the people while tyranny occurs when people serve the government. I believe you are in the second group when it comes to valuing liberty.
As for the PROC, I don’t believe they are doing well right now and their EV industry is testimony to that with the massive subsidies needed to keep their industry afloat.
It's worth pointing out too, that while China is a huge success economically, that success is largely down to sheer size of the population and adopting Western capitalism. look at per capita income there and it's nowhere near as successful as neighbouring countries like Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong - which was phenomenal success by adopting capitalism much earlier and to a greater extent than China did. Measured at the level of individuals, China is not the success it's sometimes touted as.
Even if a US government finds itself to be very unpopular - there's a corrective to that system - that's democracy, and that's part of the reason why freedom loving Americans are much wealthier than most countries, including authoritarian single party China. If most people don't want the government, they can kick it out.
One measure of the success of a country is how many want to go there, by that standard, how would you rate the success of China?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
America has unilaterally decided to bring down the standard of living of all Americans by tariffing the world.

So it's right to say that China has a vested interest in selling to the US, but if that's not an option they can sell elsewhere.

If the rest of the world is smart, particularly Europe, then they too can include China as an export destination for their goods.

And if the rest of the world is smart then they'll stop buying US weapons to use in wars that do not serve their own self-interest.
 

nighthawkrr

Semi-Pro
America has unilaterally decided to bring down the standard of living of all Americans by tariffing the world.

So it's right to say that China has a vested interest in selling to the US, but if that's not an option they can sell elsewhere.

If the rest of the world is smart, particularly Europe, then they too can include China as an export destination for their goods.

And if the rest of the world is smart then they'll stop buying US weapons to use in wars that do not serve their own self-interest.
Making your economy more anti-fragile isn't a bad thing IMO. Globalization makes ruin more likely. Having a more balanced approach to trade can mitigate the risk.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
My analysis is that American tariffs aka isolationism is making its economy more fragile as it increases supply costs.

If America has trade deficits it's due to the way it has structured its economy. Tariffs can't create new industries out of thin air.

The other economic point is that if America does not want to buy from the world then why buy from it. They should diversity away.

Making your economy more anti-fragile isn't a bad thing IMO. Globalization makes ruin more likely. Having a more balanced approach to trade can mitigate the risk.
 

taster

Rookie
America has unilaterally decided to bring down the standard of living of all Americans by tariffing the world.

So it's right to say that China has a vested interest in selling to the US, but if that's not an option they can sell elsewhere.

If the rest of the world is smart, particularly Europe, then they too can include China as an export destination for their goods.

And if the rest of the world is smart then they'll stop buying US weapons to use in wars that do not serve their own self-interest.
China can't sell elsewhere as a simple act of will -at least not in the short-term, it doesn't work like that. Europe has been trying to sell more to China for many years, and has less to sell these days, due to the decline in it's manufacturing - so it aint that smart, or it would have worked out how to turn that decline around years ago. New export hubs can be viable in the medium to long term, but it takes time.
I agree entirely that tariffs are a bad idea, a lose, lose situation for everyone involved. The expectation for growth in the US has already been revised down and the Fed held interest rates recently because of the potential inflationary impacts of tariffs. The US's trade deficit is because of industrial and consumer requirements, not because they were being ripped of in some way, that's just basic economic naivety. The idea that tariffs are de-facto taxes doesn't work either, because the intention is to decrease imports, so you pay more but on fewer imports.
This is a political move to make Trump look tough and have other countries kiss his backside, it's essentially an ego trip. It may actually end up with the rest of the world adopting a more diversified economy in the long term. But my guess is that when the economic impact on the US starts kicking in, that will have political consequences for the Trump administration, and he may well be forced to re-think them.
 
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Self-sufficiency in critical sectors of food and energy is always preferable. Assuming it is practical and economically feasible.
Let's take oil as an example. America is the largest oil producer in the world. It should not be dependent on oil imports from the hostile Trudeau regime.

Russia is the exemplification of energy self-sufficiency, with minimal reliance on imports. Russia understands the strategic benefits of self-reliance in critical sectors.

Even the hapless war-mongering dunderhead Dubya understood this.

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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I believe you are too gullible. How is a country threatening the world with tariffs and places like Gaza anything other than a tyranny?
In normal circumstances you have a point but currently at 2025 the globalists are half way through the Great Reset and it’s almost midnight and to disrupt and regain national sovereignty this is how Trump is going about it and he has had some results all ready.
He has managed to weaken the WEF, WHO and UN and some of their donors have switched to his side.
Australia, UK and Canada have fallen to the globalists while NZ is still in the balance.
All this to you off course is a conspiracy theory. However I can tell you now it will not be in the globalists interest to allow China to develop too much because they will lose their cheap labour.
Let’s also remind you that the CCP has tariffs on European dairy and meat and not a word from you or the MSM. The CCP also put an embargo on many Australian exports - also not a word from you.
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Self-sufficiency in critical sectors of food and energy is always preferable. Assuming it is practical and economically feasible.
Let's take oil as an example. America is the largest oil producer in the world. It should not be dependent on oil imports from the hostile Trudeau regime.

Russia is the exemplification of energy self-sufficiency, with minimal reliance on imports. Russia understands the strategic benefits of self-reliance in critical sectors.

Even the hapless war-mongering dunderhead Dubya understood this.

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The U.S. refinery capacity is specifically geared to the heavy oil imported from Canada and cannot be adjusted to accomodate other grades. Makes no sense to put tariffs on those imports of oil.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
In normal circumstances you have a point but currently at 2025 the globalists are half way through the Great Reset and it’s almost midnight and to disrupt and regain national sovereignty this is how Trump is going about it and he has had some results all ready.
He has managed to weaken the WEF, WHO and UN and some of their donors have switched to his side.
Australia, UK and Canada have fallen to the globalists while NZ is still in the balance.
All this to you off course is a conspiracy theory. However I can tell you now it will not be in the globalists interest to allow China to develop too much because they will lose their cheap labour.
Let’s also remind you that the CCP has tariffs on European dairy and meat and not a word from you or the MSM. The CCP also put an embargo on many Australian exports - also not a word from you.
The U.S. is now showing the rest of the world the advantages of scrapping the heavy Green movement, and allowing the masses of people to buy fossil fuel vehicles. That makes a huge gain in standard of living, and other countries will now be pressured by their electorates to follow.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
China has drastically reduced its exports to America since Trump 1.0 so it was fully prepared for 2.0.

You are probably right that these moves might cause a backlash in the US, but the risk to global growth is enormous until then.

China can't sell elsewhere as a simple act of will -at least not in the short-term, it doesn't work like that. Europe has been trying to sell more to China for many years, and has less to sell these days, due to the decline in it's manufacturing - so it aint that smart, or it would have worked out how to turn that decline around years ago. New export hubs can be viable in the medium to long term, but it takes time.
I agree entirely that tariffs are a bad idea, a lose, lose situation for everyone involved. The expectation for growth in the US has already been revised down and the Fed held interest rates recently because of the potential inflationary impacts of tariffs. The US's trade deficit is because of industrial and consumer requirements, not because they were being ripped of in some way, that's just basic economic naivety. The idea that tariffs are de-facto taxes doesn't work either, because the intention is to decrease imports, so you pay more but on fewer imports.
This is a political move to make Trump look tough and have other countries kiss his backside, it's essentially an ego trip. It may actually end up with the rest of the world adopting a more diversified economy in the long term. But my guess is that when the economic impact on the US starts kicking in, that will have political consequences for the Trump administration, and he may well be forced to re-think them.
 
The U.S. refinery capacity is specifically geared to the heavy oil imported from Canada and cannot be adjusted to accomodate other grades. Makes no sense to put tariffs on those imports of oil.
Given that the hostile Trudeau has threatened oil exports to America and divert sales to the CCP, America would be better off investing in refinery infrastructure in order to be less reliant on Canadian imports.


  1. U.S. refining capacity has increased recently, totaling 18.4 million barrels per calendar day at the start of 2024, a 2% increase from 2023. This shows ongoing investment in refining infrastructure.
  2. Many U.S. refineries are already designed to process a mix of both light and heavy oils, known as the "crude slate," to produce the most desirable and valuable refined products. This flexibility allows them to adapt to changing market conditions.
  3. The U.S. has been producing more light crude oil from shale formations, which has created a mismatch with existing refinery capabilities optimized for heavier crudes. Investing in refineries to process more light crude could help align domestic production with refining capacity.
  4. Refinery modifications to accommodate different grades of oil can be expensive and time-consuming. The decision to invest in such changes depends on long-term economic and political factors, not just short-term market conditions.
  5. The U.S. refining industry is already the most complex and efficient in the world. Further investments could enhance this position and increase self-sufficiency.
It's important to note that global demand for liquid fuels is expected to increase significantly by 2050. This may influence decisions about refinery investments and oil import strategies in the long term.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You are reading conspiracy theories from a far right website, so this is not required reading.

Fentanyl, Mexico and the Chinese Connection.
Required reading for Bart.

 
Fake Historian. Fake Virologist. Fake Economist. :D
Your favourite Biden was adamant that he knew nothing and had zero involvement with his crackhead son's business dealings. He maintained a strict wall. Yet we have mountains of evidence that access to the White House was being sold. To Ukraine. To the CCP.

Wake up dunderhead.

If this corrupt dotard had nothing to hide why is he preemptively issuing pardons to his entire family on the very last day of his illegitimate Presidency?
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Schweizer’s book details the connections between American politicians including the family of former President Joe Biden and Chinese industry, Chinese criminal gangs, and the Chinese communist government. “White Wolf” was a longtime business partner of a mysterious Chinese tycoon named Ye Jianming, chairman of CEFC China Energy Company, who funneled $5 million to the Biden family.

Known as “the Super Chairman” in the recovered WhatsApp messages of Hunter Biden, Ye was the subject of the messages sent by Hunter Biden while he claimed he was “sitting here with my Father and would like to understand why the commitment has not been fulfilled.” Those messages were revealed during the investigation into Biden family corruption by congressional committees early last year.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The pardons were issued because Trump has an even greater capacity to misuse law than Biden, which is saying a lot.

Your favourite Biden was adamant that he knew nothing and had zero involvement with his crackhead son's business dealings. He maintained a strict wall. Yet we have mountains of evidence that access to the White House was being sold. To Ukraine. To the CCP.

Wake up dunderhead.

If this corrupt dotard had nothing to hide why is he preemptively issuing pardons to his entire family on the very last day of his illegitimate Presidency?
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Schweizer’s book details the connections between American politicians including the family of former President Joe Biden and Chinese industry, Chinese criminal gangs, and the Chinese communist government. “White Wolf” was a longtime business partner of a mysterious Chinese tycoon named Ye Jianming, chairman of CEFC China Energy Company, who funneled $5 million to the Biden family.

Known as “the Super Chairman” in the recovered WhatsApp messages of Hunter Biden, Ye was the subject of the messages sent by Hunter Biden while he claimed he was “sitting here with my Father and would like to understand why the commitment has not been fulfilled.” Those messages were revealed during the investigation into Biden family corruption by congressional committees early last year.
 
Fake Historian. Fake Virologist. Fake Economist. :D
Your favourite Biden was adamant that he knew nothing and had zero involvement with his crackhead son's business dealings. Yet we have mountains of evidence that access to the White House was being sold. To Ukraine. To the CCP.

In what reality does a crackhead with zero energy experience get paid millions as an Energy Consultant? Obviously he was paid to gain access to the VP.

Wake up dunderhead.

If this corrupt dotard had nothing to hide why is he preemptively issuing pardons to his entire family on the last day of his illegitimate Presidency?


Schweizer’s book details the connections between American politicians including the family of former President Joe Biden and Chinese industry, Chinese criminal gangs, and the Chinese communist government. “White Wolf” was a longtime business partner of a mysterious Chinese tycoon named Ye Jianming, chairman of CEFC China Energy Company, who funneled $5 million to the Biden family.

Known as “the Super Chairman” in the recovered WhatsApp messages of Hunter Biden, Ye was the subject of the messages sent by Hunter Biden while he claimed he was “sitting here with my Father and would like to understand why the commitment has not been fulfilled.” Those messages were revealed during the investigation into Biden family corruption by congressional committees early last year.
 

RSJfan

Hall of Fame
Your favourite Biden was adamant that he knew nothing and had zero involvement with his crackhead son's business dealings. He maintained a strict wall. Yet we have mountains of evidence that access to the White House was being sold. To Ukraine. To the CCP.

Wake up dunderhead.

If this corrupt dotard had nothing to hide why is he preemptively issuing pardons to his entire family on the very last day of his illegitimate Presidency?
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This is not within your fake domain of expertise. Do you want me to add political scientist? I’m happy to do so. And Senile Joe is your fav not mine. You are my fav. :D Though you blow with the wind; your current favs include Joe and Kamala, Vlad, Xi The Pooh, the CCP, Noam, The Carrot and Egg. It used to be Emma too but you kicked her to the curb and she is the nicest of all your favs. :( In any case, please stop devoting so much of your expertise to this lunatic thread. You are needed in other threads, among others the thread concerning the goon that has been banned by the WTA for abusive behavior toward Rybakina. Aussie Karen is in hysterics and the thread needs your always measured take.8-B

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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Trudeau is not a leftist and the allies of America were sold the idea to get tough on China before your beloved Donald returned.

If the mango man-child is a friend of the working class, he could always take the tariffs off and get Canada and Europe to follow suit.
This is not the case. Trudeau is very woke and very leftist.
Canada needs to sort out their border security issues then tariffs won’t happen. It’s as simple as that.
China puts tariffs on European dairy and meat to protect their own industry but not a word from you:
Why do you constantly stick up for the CCP with their very ordinary human and animal rights record.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You are just repeating the official line/lies like a parrot.

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This is not the case. Trudeau is very woke and very leftist.
Canada needs to sort out their border security issues then tariffs won’t happen. It’s as simple as that.
China puts tariffs on European dairy and meat to protect their own industry but not a word from you:
Why do you constantly stick up for the CCP with their very ordinary human and animal rights record.
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
You are just repeating the official line/lies like a parrot.

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My previous post was the truth and correct - Trudeau is a globalist leftist and a lover of totalitarian systems which he himself is on record for saying so.
What is more of a parrot strategy is your constant TDS and endorsement of the CCP and when people ask you to clarify that you deflect.
I have always been upfront in saying that my views come from a libertarian background and that’s my bias and I also state that I’m open to modifying my position on things as things become more apparent. I have never seen you deviate from your Marxist mantra and hatred of capitalism and freedom, and then you get offended if people ask whether you are a communist. That’s how it is.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Can you give me one quotation, my dear Trump-Sheepie, where Trudeau says he is "a lover of totalitarian systems"?

My previous post was the truth and correct - Trudeau is a globalist leftist and a lover of totalitarian systems which he himself is on record for saying so.
What is more of a parrot strategy is your constant TDS and endorsement of the CCP and when people ask you to clarify that you deflect.
I have always been upfront in saying that my views come from a libertarian background and that’s my bias and I also state that I’m open to modifying my position on things as things become more apparent. I have never seen you deviate from your Marxist mantra and hatred of capitalism and freedom, and then you get offended if people ask whether you are a communist. That’s how it is.
 
Why do you constantly stick up for the CCP with their very ordinary human and animal rights record.

Transparency is a hallmark of justice. Transparency demands that the nature of the criminal charges be published.
The CCP executes thousands every year (the global leader in executions) but it refuses to disclose the actual number of executions and nature of the charges because that info is deemed to be a state secret. How is simply disclosing that someone has been tried convicted and executed deemed to be a "state secret"?
:rolleyes:

Why do you constantly stick up for the CCP
Are there CCP agents stationed in Australia?
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States can generate revenue without raising income tax. Required reading for our favourite Governor Newsom.
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One of Congress' first acts was to pass the Tariff Act of 1789, which was aimed at protecting domestic industry and raising revenue for the new government.
In fact, tariffs actually constituted the majority of the federal government's revenue until the creation of the income tax in 1913.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Given that the hostile Trudeau has threatened oil exports to America and divert sales to the CCP, America would be better off investing in refinery infrastructure in order to be less reliant on Canadian imports.


  1. U.S. refining capacity has increased recently, totaling 18.4 million barrels per calendar day at the start of 2024, a 2% increase from 2023. This shows ongoing investment in refining infrastructure.
  2. Many U.S. refineries are already designed to process a mix of both light and heavy oils, known as the "crude slate," to produce the most desirable and valuable refined products. This flexibility allows them to adapt to changing market conditions.
  3. The U.S. has been producing more light crude oil from shale formations, which has created a mismatch with existing refinery capabilities optimized for heavier crudes. Investing in refineries to process more light crude could help align domestic production with refining capacity.
  4. Refinery modifications to accommodate different grades of oil can be expensive and time-consuming. The decision to invest in such changes depends on long-term economic and political factors, not just short-term market conditions.
  5. The U.S. refining industry is already the most complex and efficient in the world. Further investments could enhance this position and increase self-sufficiency.
It's important to note that global demand for liquid fuels is expected to increase significantly by 2050. This may influence decisions about refinery investments and oil import strategies in the long term.
Not if Trump has his way and increases the overall demand for fossil fuels, in which case the long-term U.S. demand for Canadian oil, both light and heavy crudes, will continue.

Trudeau is on his way out with the trashcan, not to worry about his ideas. Canada needs the U.S. markets for oil.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
This quotation has nothing to do with totalitarianism and his remark only concerns the ability of China to change economic direction unhindered.

Nice try, Trump-Sheepie, but no cigar.
You are incorrect comrade
This is why Canada needs a clean out so they can start again and restore freedom. Btw how’s that TDS going ?
Does supporting freedom make everyone a Trump -Sheepie? Seems like your overt attack on freedom and endorsement of Xi must make you a Xi Sheepie right ?
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
You are incorrect comrade
This is why Canada needs a clean out so they can start again and restore freedom. Btw how’s that TDS going ?
Does supporting freedom make everyone a Trump -Sheepie? Seems like your overt attack on freedom and endorsement of Xi must make you a Xi Sheepie right ?
Trudeau has already announced his retirement for the end of February. He will probably be replaced by the former Bank of Canada chief, who is also a wild green energy enthusiast with policies the same as Trudeau.

The federal election is scheduled for June at the latest, with the Conservative leader promoting fossil fuels and currently with a strong lead in the polls.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Trump's tariffs are sanctions or international lawfare. There is no intention to develop industry.

States can generate revenue without raising income tax. Required reading for our favourite Governor Newsom.
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One of Congress' first acts was to pass the Tariff Act of 1789, which was aimed at protecting domestic industry and raising revenue for the new government.
In fact, tariffs actually constituted the majority of the federal government's revenue until the creation of the income tax in 1913.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Trump even praises/appeases Putin so Trudeau praising the Chinese economy is scarcely controversial.

China pioneers the BEV, for example, while America is held back by vested interests controlling politics.

You are incorrect comrade
This is why Canada needs a clean out so they can start again and restore freedom. Btw how’s that TDS going ?
Does supporting freedom make everyone a Trump -Sheepie? Seems like your overt attack on freedom and endorsement of Xi must make you a Xi Sheepie right ?
 
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You do realise that these facts have been known and criticised for decades by the left.

Of course it was known but it was never criticized directly from those in power. Why? Because those in power were part of the problem. See the difference?
This is unprecedented. Elon will shine a spotlight on corruption. Glad you are on board with Elon's mission to expose corruption and waste. We are truly living in historic times.
Keep in mind that those being exposed for corruption will lash out and viciously defame Elon. Do not fall for it.

 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Musk is part of the problem, not the solution. He is a purchaser of influence who has spent hundreds of millions. Musk can't be the beneficiary of his own "corruption" of the system.

Of course it was known but it was never criticized directly from those in power. Why? Because those in power were part of the problem. See the difference?
This is unprecedented. Elon will shine a spotlight on corruption. Glad you are on board with Elon's mission to expose corruption and waste. We are truly living in historic times.
Keep in mind that those being exposed for corruption will lash out and viciously defame Elon. Do not fall for it.

 
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Musk is part of the problem, not the solution. He is a purchaser of influence who has spent hundreds of millions.
The whole point of acquiring wealth is to purchase influence either directly or indirectly thru Super PACs. Nothing wrong with purchasing influence as long as it is legal contributions.

It is a matter of free speech. And Elon is a free speech absolutist.

The Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United v. FEC decision ruled that political spending is a form of free speech protected by the First Amendment. This allows corporations and unions to spend unlimited amounts on political campaigns (indirectly, through Super PACs).
 
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