Evans vs Moutet drama

HitMoreBHs

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One look at Dan Evans tells you the excuse of kissing a chick works way better for young Gasquet than Evo
Not really judging, but Evans looks like the typical sort that has diamond frequent flyer status to my surgery department for treatment of broken hand/facial bones and multiple knife lacerations. If he wasn’t on tour, he’d likely be a regular at his local A&E on Saturday nights after the usual weekend bevy down the pub.
 

Red Rick

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Not really judging, but Evans looks like the typical sort that has diamond frequent flyer status to my surgery department for treatment of broken hand/facial bones and multiple knife lacerations. If he wasn’t on tour, he’d likely be a regular at his local A&E on Saturday nights after the usual weekend bevy down the pub.
I really need more not really judging assessments from you
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
Dan Evans is a pos player, he proves it again and again with his attitude and the only reason he isn't talked about more is because he's not talented or important enough to be included in major news stories lol
 

NoleIsBoat

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Some bad takes in this thread. I can only assume none of you watched the actual match. It was mostly Moutet who instigated all the bad blood.

Match started off quite civil… then Moutet starts with some of the following:
- screaming loud everytime he misses a ball
- cheating to umpire to try get some of Evan’s obvious on line serves etc called as out
- screaming COME ON if Evans missed or he got a winner
- many many lucky lines in this match. Evans would dominate the point then Moutet would hit numerous defensive lobs that all catch the corner or line on important points
 
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NoleIsBoat

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Dan Evans is a pos player, he proves it again and again with his attitude and the only reason he isn't talked about more is because he's not talented or important enough to be included in major news stories lol
You mean Moutet? He was winding Evans up all match with his petulant antics.
 
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NoleIsBoat

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Neither player comes across particularly well during this running exchange, but I have to admit that Dan "the man" Evans doesn't exactly cover himself in glory.
Thats exactly what I saw, Evans was going after Moutet all the time really trying to provoke him. Don´t know why the umpire didn´t stop that..
Evans is a clown. Shut up and play.

ATP skills and USTA 3.5 noggin.
Literally all of you are wrong. I had money on this match and Evans did nothing wrong, Moutet was 100% the instigator. I’ve watched a few Moutet matches and he does the same every single time. Always screaming every time he misses or his opponent misses. He’s so obnoxious.

OTOH Since the comeback I’ve watched most Evans’ matches and he’s always been respectful and played within himself. The only time he hasn’t was the match…. Wonder why that is
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
You mean Moutet? He was winding Evans up all match with his horrible antics.
Was he? From what i saw he was complaining to the umpire about the calls and whining but then Evans tried to start something by implying he was only complaining about his own bad calls, not ones that happen to Evans. Why even get involved? Why start a verbal fight? Then as it goes on he's like f this and f that and makes it worse by calling him a DH and then goes all hard man at the end. Moutet was being a moody annoyance sure but Evans was being an confrontational ahole like he always is.

Also i'm laughing at your implication in your other post that it is only that match that Evans acts like that. You can literally goto google and type "Dan Evans insults" and find a handful of videos of his poor attitude and i remember a DC match where he wasn't even playing yet was insulting the opponents from the stands.
 
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RaulRamirez

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Literally all of you are wrong. I had money on this match and Evans did nothing wrong, Moutet was 100% the instigator. I’ve watched a few Moutet matches and he does the same every single time. Always screaming every time he misses or his opponent misses. He’s so obnoxious.

OTOH Since the comeback I’ve watched most Evans’ matches and he’s always been respectful and played within himself. The only time he hasn’t was the match…. Wonder why that is
Not judging, but you bet on an Evans-Moutet match? (My headline from that post.)
 

NoleIsBoat

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Was he? From what i saw he was complaining to the umpire about the calls and whining but then Evans tried to start something by implying he was only complaining about his own bad calls, not ones that happen to Evans. Why even get involved? Why start a verbal fight? Then as it goes on he's like f this and f that and makes it worse by calling him a DH and then goes all hard man at the end. Moutet was being a moody annoyance sure but Evans was being an confrontational ahole like he always is.

Also i'm laughing at your implication in your other post that it is only that match that Evans acts like that. You can literally goto google and type "Dan Evans insults" and find a handful of videos of his poor attitude and i remember a DC match where he wasn't even playing yet was insulting the opponents from the stands.
I said since comeback in 2019. Why are you bringing up historical incidents? I’ve watched every Evans match this year and only 1 time did he have any trouble - with Moutet

Nope completely wrong. Evans was cool at first until Moutet starts whining about calls that were obviously in and roaring COME ON on Evans UFE, and other obnoxious things. The guy has absolutely 0 class or sportsmanship, something you’d realise if you watch more of his matches.

He does the same thing every single time. He’s 99% to blame not Evans. I don’t blame him for having a go at him at the end, he deserved it with his antics, someone has to call him out for it if umpires refuse to default him or dock points.
 

NoleIsBoat

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NoelCanoe, esteemed sportsbetterer, with an Achilles Heel whose name rhymes with bootay, has entered the chat.
Never betting on tennis again, especially clay tennis which is very luck based.

I’ll try never to watch Moutet again, unless he’s playing someone who is likely to smash him so I can watch him get destroyed and cry all match.
 

NoleIsBoat

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Why even get involved? Why start a verbal fight?
Because the guy is whining after every point and it’s distracting. Moutet ruins the tone of the match. Good on Dan for calling out his awful behaviour.

He played Ramos Vinolas too who is a gentleman but he did the same thing, whining and crying after every point because the Spaniard was too good for him.

and makes it worse by calling him a DH and then goes all hard man at the end.
Again, no. Evans shook his hand, incredibly. I expected him (rightly) not to after the display he just witnessed… then Moutet carried on having words which led to the incident you see in the video (which misses out that Moutet started it)
 

NoleIsBoat

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Evans in a 3rd set against Millman, a good match with no incident or bad temper.

Where as every single Moutet match is the exact same story, constant whining, crying, complaining, screaming… he finally got someone who gave it back.
 

AM75

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Evans in a 3rd set against Millman, a good match with no incident or bad temper.

Where as every single Moutet match is the exact same story, constant whining, crying, complaining, screaming… he finally got someone who gave it back.
I think you confuse Corentin with Benoit. You know, one is a shorty lefty and the other has a beard.
 

TimHenmanATG

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I said since comeback in 2019. Why are you bringing up historical incidents? I’ve watched every Evans match this year and only 1 time did he have any trouble - with Moutet

Nope completely wrong. Evans was cool at first until Moutet starts whining about calls that were obviously in and roaring COME ON on Evans UFE, and other obnoxious things. The guy has absolutely 0 class or sportsmanship, something you’d realise if you watch more of his matches.

He does the same thing every single time. He’s 99% to blame not Evans. I don’t blame him for having a go at him at the end, he deserved it with his antics, someone has to call him out for it if umpires refuse to default him or dock points.
I have to take your comments with a pinch of salt, as you've already stated that you bet on the match.

Even if - hypothetically - Moutet was 99% responsible, that doesn't excuse Evans' behaviour.
 

NoleIsBoat

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I have to take your comments with a pinch of salt, as you've already stated that you bet on the match.

Even if - hypothetically - Moutet was 99% responsible, that doesn't excuse Evans' behaviour.
Yes it does. Moutet was being a dick, Evans gave him a taste of his own medicine.

Umpires aren’t docking him points or defaulting him, so good on Evans for fighting back.
 

TimHenmanATG

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Yes it does. Moutet was being a dick, Evans gave him a taste of his own medicine.

Umpires aren’t docking him points or defaulting him, so good on Evans for fighting back.
There's no excuse for lowering your behaviour to that level.

Evans was clearly being obnoxiously hostile and aggressive, which isn't a great look - regardless of any kind of purported provocation.
 

NoleIsBoat

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There's no excuse for lowering your behaviour to that level.

Evans was clearly being obnoxiously hostile and aggressive, which isn't a great look - regardless of any kind of purported provocation.
Nope. Moutet was being hostile all match and completely ruined the atmosphere. Evans was well within his rights to fight back. How else do you deal with such a POS? Petulant spoilt brats like Moutet don’t respond to words, so Evans filling him in would teach him a valuable life lesson.

Ive watched every Evans match this year…. That match with Moutet was the only time there was any issues. I’ve seen about 5-6 Moutet matches and he does the same **** every single match.

This is a weird take on the situation you have. I watched the whole thing live, you clearly didn’t.
 

NoleIsBoat

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There's no excuse for lowering your behaviour to that level.

Evans was clearly being obnoxiously hostile and aggressive, which isn't a great look - regardless of any kind of purported provocation.
What would you suggest Evans do? Ignore it? When your opponent is crying and screaming all match and trying to overturn shots that were clearly in?

Evans even shook his hand at the net despite all the obnoxious behaviour but Moutet CARRIED ON having words, which led to Evans (rightly) threatening him.
 

TimHenmanATG

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Nope. Moutet was being hostile all match and completely ruined the atmosphere. Evans was well within his rights to fight back. How else do you deal with such a POS? Petulant spoilt brats like Moutet don’t respond to words, so Evans filling him in would teach him a valuable life lesson.

Ive watched every Evans match this year…. That match with Moutet was the only time there was any issues. I’ve seen about 5-6 Moutet matches and he does the same **** every single match.

This is a weird take on the situation you have. I watched the whole thing live, you clearly didn’t.
Doesn't the fact that you're bending over backwards to try to make this claim - that Corentin was 99% at fault - support my point?

To the casual observer on TTW viewing the footage, they both come across as - like Dan "the man" so eloquently puts it - f****** d***h****.

I used to bet on individual sports, such as tennis and snooker, but it can lead to some really toxic thoughts creeping in.

Suddenly, everyone's "tanking", and it can become really frustrating to see someone you had hard-earned money on, seemingly "underperforming".

No offence, but I honestly think that this may be negatively impacting your opinion on some of these matters.
 

NoleIsBoat

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Doesn't the fact that you're bending over backwards to try to make this claim - that Corentin was 99% at fault - support my point?

To the casual observer on TTW viewing the footage, they both come across as - like Dan "the man" so eloquently puts it - f****** d***h****.

I used to bet on individual sports, such as tennis and snooker, but it can lead to some really toxic thoughts creeping in.

Suddenly, everyone's "tanking", and it can become really frustrating to see someone you had hard-earned money on, seemingly "underperforming".

No offence, but I honestly think that this may be negatively impacting your opinion on some of these matters.
The footage only shows a few seconds of it. Rewatch the full match if possible - Evans shook Moutet’s hand then the Frenchman started mouthing off again so Dan called him a d head - well deserved after the provocation all match.

Moutet was acting like a dick all match, Evans gave him some back - that’s fair in my eyes. Umpire should’ve point then game penalty Moutet for his antics.

As for the betting angle, as I already explained I’ve watched these 2 players all season and the match between them was the only time Evans had any issues - where as every single match Moutet is exactly the same. Very hard to watch, obnoxious guy.
 

NoleIsBoat

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@TimHenmanATG

I accept the view that both acted as *****..although Moutet started it, Evans maybe should be the bigger man.

However I don’t accept misinformation. The way you and others have reported this match is incorrect and makes out Evans to be solely at fault. Evans was fine until his opponent’s poor antics started then he gave it back. In my book that’s fair.
 

TimHenmanATG

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The footage only shows a few seconds of it. Rewatch the full match if possible - Evans shook Moutet’s hand then the Frenchman started mouthing off again so Dan called him a d head - well deserved after the provocation all match.

Moutet was acting like a dick all match, Evans gave him some back - that’s fair in my eyes. Umpire should’ve point then game penalty Moutet for his antics.

As for the betting angle, as I already explained I’ve watched these 2 players all season and the match between them was the only time Evans had any issues - where as every single match Moutet is exactly the same. Very hard to watch, obnoxious guy.
The footage shows many minutes of a running exchange with hints of "previous" between the two players.

What would we be talking about if Dan had just risen above the level?

If a player has a problem with their opponent's sportsmanship or protocol, then that's an issue to raise with the chair umpire.

I also think that - in the interests of intellectual integrity - you should tell us which outcomes you bet on in this match.
 

NoleIsBoat

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The footage shows many minutes of a running exchange with hints of "previous" between the two players.

What would we be talking about if Dan had just risen above the level?

If a player has a problem with their opponent's sportsmanship or protocol, then that's an issue to raise with the chair umpire.

I also think that - in the interests of intellectual integrity - you should tell us which outcomes you bet on in this match.
Did you watch the same video as OP posted?

I mean, it backs up my point perfectly. Moutet being the usual **** he is, roaring COME ONNNNNN on every Evans UFE, crying to the ump like a child… then Evans gives him some back and calls out his awful antics.

Did I miss something? Watching that, confirms my recollection as being accurate.

I’m actually staggered the umpire didn’t point, the game penalty him for unsportsmanlike conduct.
 

NoleIsBoat

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I'm with NoleIsBoat, Moutet starts sh1t and is just a massive baby in many matches, Evans loves to retaliate for sure though.
Yup. I watched it live and the video in OP confirms Moutet kicked things off and Evans retaliated. Many many people would do the same in the face of such provocation.

He even pulled the same **** against Ramos Vinolas who is a classy gentleman, the Spaniard to his credit didn’t react.
 

TimHenmanATG

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Did you watch the same video as OP posted?

I mean, it backs up my point perfectly. Moutet being the usual **** he is, roaring COME ONNNNNN on every Evans UFE, crying to the ump like a child… then Evans gives him some back and calls out his awful antics.

Did I miss something? Watching that, confirms my recollection as being accurate.

I’m actually staggered the umpire didn’t point, the game penalty him for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you stated that you had a bet on this match.

Your other comments also imply that you regularly watch these kind of matches, which even the most ardent tennis fans wouldn't even bother with.

I really don't care what Moutet did or didn't do. That shouldn't have a major impact on Dan "the man'' Evans' conduct or tennis etiquette.

You still haven't been honest with us about what outcomes you bet upon.
 

NoleIsBoat

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you stated that you had a bet on this match.

Your other comments also imply that you regularly watch these kind of matches, which even the most ardent tennis fans wouldn't even bother with.

I really don't care what Moutet did or didn't do. That shouldn't have a major impact on Dan "the man'' Evans' conduct or tennis etiquette.

You still haven't been honest with us about what outcomes you bet upon.
So Moutet can do what he wants, but Evans as soon as he reacts is the bad guy?

You’re obviously biased.

Evans etiquette may have been bad, but Moutet was worse and he instigated it.

Who or what I betted on isn’t relevant. I watch a lot of tennis matches as I’m currently furloughed so have a lot of free time.
 

NoleIsBoat

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That shouldn't have a major impact on Dan "the man'' Evans' conduct or tennis etiquette.
What a silly comment. Your opponent’s awful, immature, petulant and obnoxious antics should have no impact on your own behaviour?

Maybe in a perfect utopia. However in the real world, Evans called out his bull ****, and good on him. Good to see such an obnoxious guy getting a taste of his own medicine.
 

NoleIsBoat

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What would we be talking about if Dan had just risen above the level?

If a player has a problem with their opponent's sportsmanship or protocol, then that's an issue to raise with the chair umpire.
1st point - we’d be talking about Moutet’s obnoxious and childish behaviour, which happens every match he plays.

2nd point - Evans DID raise it with the umpire, multiple times. What else can he do? He’s called the bull **** out and he’s asked the umpire what he will do about it. Sadly, we had a weak umpire who failed to implement sufficient penalties for such bad sportsmanship.
 

TimHenmanATG

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So Moutet can do what he wants, but Evans as soon as he reacts is the bad guy?

You’re obviously biased.

Evans etiquette may have been bad, but Moutet was worse and he instigated it.

Who or what I betted on isn’t relevant. I watch a lot of tennis matches as I’m currently furloughed so have a lot of free time.
Look, both the guys come across as complete and utter bell-ends.

If you have to argue and plead the case for one over the other, then maybe you should understand how the average and casual fan views the footage.

I'm genuinely very sorry about your current personal personal circumstances, but I think that it would be instructive to disclose the general nature of your bets, because they could potentially be a factor in your views.
 
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