Even if Nadal wins the French open this year, there is nothing miracle in that according to me

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Sathya

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Winning French Open (and on clay in general) is in Nadal's genes. When Nadal is very motivated and healthy, nothing can stop him in Roland Garros. There is a clear reason why he has won the French open 14 times.

I do not like the fact that people always under-estimate Nadal's ability and always see him as an underdog. According to me, Nadal is a born champion. He is extremely talented and very hard working with extremely high level of determination and mental toughness, and he is among the greatest of champions in the entire sports history. He is born to win and rule the world of sports.

So even if Nadal goes on win many more big titles going forward (like for example Wimbledon or US open this year), I will not see it as a miracle. Nadal is simply capable of winning anything and everything. This is my honest opinion. I wish people stop under-estimating Nadal's talent and potential and give him the respect that his ability, his attitude and his achievement deserve.

Kindly forgive me if I had said anything wrong.
 
Oh come on...

Rafa is almost 38 years old. He already had hundreds of injuries in his career. Almost did not play at all for the last 2 years. It will be miracle if he wins grand slam this year.

We all know that Rafa is capable of achieving impossible things. Simply there is no such word in Rafa's dictionary as "impossible". But on the other hand we gotta be realistic.

This time nothing is on his favour. His age, list of injuries, rustiness, deteriorated movement due to hip injury, weak serve. It will be absolutely monumental act if he suddenly wins RG once again. It will be something even bigger than AO 2022 comeback...
 
2020, hadn't played since February then played Rome in late September and lost to Schwartzman 62 75, and then played RG in conditions that were nothing like the norm, and didn't drop a set...
2022, was out for 6 weeks with a fractured rib, then came back and lost to Alcaraz at Madrid, and lost to Shapovalov at Rome... and won RG.
Beat Djokovic both those years at RG too, including 60 62 75 in 2020 RG Final, the most lopsided slam result of their entire H2H.
 
i really like that little but at the same time epic moment when frost' friend, that blonde girl tellin/askin him.. deacon ..and then hes respondin..not anymore (coz he became la magra)..beautiful
 
After Nadal's 1st Round victory over Flavio Cobolli at Barcelona he said he was saving himself for Madrid and Rome-
“There were things [I could have done] today that [could have given] me the possibility to play better today, but don’t give me the possibility to play the next day or the next couple of days, or in terms of weeks, in Madrid or Rome."
So Nadal winning RG 2024 probably won't be too surprising, if he shows form at Madrid and/or Rome.... not that he needed form in 2020 or 2022...
And despite holding himself back, Nadal already played a 67 minutes set vs. peak De Minaur, and nobody is more physical than De Minaur.
 
Yeah, detractors never give credit. Now a 38 years old that has been almost 2 entire years inactive due to continuous injuries, with 0 competitive rhtym, with an ultra-fragile body prone to injury, and not even ranked top 500 in the world, winning RG despite the fact that no man has ever won a Slam aged 38, is just unimpressive. OK. Cool story bro.
 
Sport said:
Yeah, detractors never give credit. Now a 38 years old that has been almost 2 entire years inactive due to continuous injuries, with 0 competitive rhtym, with an ultra-fragile body prone to injury, and not even ranked top 500 in the world, winning RG despite the fact that no man has ever won a Slam aged 38, is just unimpressive. OK. Cool story bro.
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He said its unimpressive if Nadal does it. Djokovic doing it next year at age 38 would on another end be magical.
 
If Nadal wins this year, it will be more magical than any that went before it. It is certainly more challenging because he knew what to expect from Djokovic and Federer, with him in playing form. Now he has two unknown players way past his prime.
 
No way I am accepting this. Nadal today is not the same as Nadal in 2013. It would be unrealistic to even expect him winning Wimbledon or any other tournament. Even RG he is not the top favorite.
 
The last time OP posted was in June 2022 and I’m guessing he has been hiding under a rock (or incarcerated) since. So he doesn’t know the long list of tournaments where Nadal got injured since (2022 - W, USO; 2023-AO, 2024-Australia) almost every time he tried to play.
 
Rafa winning would be the best comeback story of all-time. The guy has missed the vast majority of the last 18 months. It’s nearly impossible to win with that little match play. Oh yeah; and he’lol be one month shy of 38 years old, which would make him the oldest slam winner in the Open Era.

I’d love to see it happen. But it’s damn-near lottery odds of it happening.
 
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Neptune said:
I suspect I've been living under a rock; I have to double-check Rafa's title counts at YEC, Miami and Paris Masters. LOL
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I am more of a Novak fanboy but in the grand scheme of things Nadal pretty much done it all unless you nitpick things here and there. Would be cool if Nadal made a deep run at the FO since this might be his last.
 
Pheasant said:
Rafa winning would be the best comeback story of all-time. The guy has missed the vast majority of the last 18 months. It’s nearly impossible to win with that little match play. Oh yeah; and he’lol be one month shy of 38 years old, which would make him the oldest slam winner in the Open Era.

I’d love to see it happen. But it’s damn-near lottery odds of it happening.
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Nadal's birthday is always a few days before the RG final. In the unplausible hypothetical that he wins RG, he'd actually be 38, not a month shy of 38.
 
Nadal "will die" of the Roland Garros courts and rivals who dare to face him must prepare for the bloody gorings of the Spanish bull.
:happydevil:
 
It is very unlikely that Nadal can find enough form in time to win the French Open. Beyond that it's hard to say whether he can stay healthy enough to compete for other big titles. It's possible, but it's also possible that this is the end of the line.
 
Mustard said:
I'll laugh if he wins the French Open this year. Even this version of Rafa will probably make it hard for anyone to beat him over best of 5 sets at Roland Garros, especially as he'll be going all out physically at the event.
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Nadal "will die" of the Roland Garros courts and rivals who dare to face him must prepare for the bloody gorings of the Spanish bull.
Get ready for a pretty bloody spectacle that will leave filmmakers like Tarantino speechless.
:happydevil:
 
Nadal is definitely going out on his shield at RG (not saying it will be his last match, but he’s not winning another slam, even on Chatrier) but it’s going to be emotional and fitting of the warrior he is.
 
His draws are going to be very difficult since he isn't a seeded player to go deep into these clay court tournaments at age 38 with little match play under his belt. His movement did not look good in Barcelona against Alex.
 
mahatma said:
NCGS incoming for Nadal. Will tear the tour apart for atleast next 2 years.

Will end with 30 slams. ez pz.

gl OP.
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I honestly will not be even one bit surprised or shocked if the above incident actually happens. I will not do the same stupid mistake which majority of people in the tennis world do i.e. I will never under-estimate Nadal's chances of winning. Nadal is a competitive giant. The ability to handle competition and pressure and winning the battle is something inborn in his genetics. Nadal is not a mental midget like Federer to lose from winning positions (remember 2019 Wimbledon final). In fact Nadal will do the exact opposite i.e. he will win from losing positions (remember Australian open 2022 final). Nadal is capable of winning against all odds and expectations and the history clearly proves it. For example, majority of people predicted that Nadal will not last beyond 25 years of age because of his physically demanding style of game but look what happened. Many people concluded that Nadal's career is finished when he skipped the second half of 2012 but remember how strongly he came back in 2013 winning multiple majors and masters titles. No body gave Nadal any chance to win the 2022 Australian open even after Djokovic pulled out but look what happened finally. Nadal is simply capable of winning against all odds and expectations and history clearly shows that. So I will never rule out the possibility of Nadal making another strong comeback and winning big titles even at 38 years. Nadal is simply extra ordinary. He is a freak of nature. You simply cannot compare him with any other normal human being. People are only really stupid to always keep on under-estimating Nadal despite Nadal continuously proving them wrong and defying all expectations. Nadal coming back strongly and winning big tournaments even at the age of 38 and even after two years of hibernation is not at all a miracle for me. According to me the real miracle is actually Nadal not managing to win a single title at Miami (he could have easy won that tournament 5 or 6 times had he been lucky) and Nadal not managing to win even a single year end tournament (he could have easily won it 2 or 3 times had he got lucky). According to me, it is very foolish to assume that Djokovic's slam record and master's record is safe from Nadal's hands. It is very foolish to under-estimate Nadal and that is my honest opinion, and the history clearly proves my point. Very sorry for my lengthy post but I am very confident in my opinion.
 
Sathya said:
I do not like the fact that people always under-estimate Nadal's ability and always see him as an underdog.
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Nadal has been the heavy favorite nearly every year he has entered the French Open. What you are doing here is creating a strawman argument. You make up something fake, state it as a fact, and then argue against that made up fact.
 
Pheasant said:
Rafa winning would be the best comeback story of all-time. The guy has missed the vast majority of the last 18 months. It’s nearly impossible to win with that little match play. Oh yeah; and he’lol be one month shy of 38 years old, which would make him the oldest slam winner in the Open Era.

I’d love to see it happen. But it’s damn-near lottery odds of it happening.
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As of right now, he's got the 4th best odds to win the tournament. His current odds are between 4 to 1 and 5 to 1, which is not anywhere close to the odds of winning the lottery. If he shows good form before the French Open, his odds will likely move ahead of Sinner's and there's even a possibility he goes into this French Open as the favorite yet again.
 
SpinWizard said:
Oh come on...

Rafa is almost 38 years old. He already had hundreds of injuries in his career. Almost did not play at all for the last 2 years. It will be miracle if he wins grand slam this year.

We all know that Rafa is capable of achieving impossible things. Simply there is no such word in Rafa's dictionary as "impossible". But on the other hand we gotta be realistic.

This time nothing is on his favour. His age, list of injuries, rustiness, deteriorated movement due to hip injury, weak serve. It will be absolutely monumental act if he suddenly wins RG once again. It will be something even bigger than AO 2022 comeback...
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All true, If it weren't for his body condition, he could easily keep winning until he gets bored... Heh

But I think it's unrealistic to win 15 French Open slams, and it's crazy that one player won the same slam 14 times...

If I were him, I would prepare for Roland Garros and start, and at that tournament I would announce the end of my career, regardless of the result I would achieve...
 
He’s literally on his last legs. Don’t get me wrong I am a huge admirer of Rafa but he has no form or practise coming into RG … just a prolonged rehabilitation. He should just take it round by round and see what happens. Most importantly he should enjoy the experience on his favourite court regardless of the result. I hope it’s not but if the injuries continue at 38 it may well be his last.
 
Sathya said:
I will not do the same stupid mistake which majority of people in the tennis world do
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It is usually rare that the whole world is stupid and one person is not. Especially when that person has exhibited zero credentials to show that they are an expert in a particular field. All your posts from many years indicate is that you are a ‘fanatic’ fan of Nadal who thinks he is superhuman. You choose to ignore the last two years when you were not posting amd maybe you are unaware of how he has been injured every time he has tried to play for a very long time or lost to journeymen.
 
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Nadal has been the heavy favorite nearly every year he has entered the French Open. What you are doing here is creating a strawman argument. You make up something fake, state it as a fact, and then argue against that made up fact.
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I have noticed right from the beginning of Nadal's career that people always under-estimated Nadal's ability and chances only to be proved wrong again and again. Here are a few examples:

1. Many people predicted that Nadal will not last beyond 25 years of age because of his physically demanding style of play but Nadal continued winning slams and other big tournaments till the age of 35.

2. Many people predicted earlier that Nadal will not win anything outside of clay but he managed to win 2 Wimbledon titles (3 times finalist, he should have won in 2018 but Djokovic somehow got away with it by sheer luck), 4 US Open titles, 2 Australian Open titles (along with lots of finals which could have easily gone his way), 6 times Rogers cup, 3 times Indian wells etc..

3. Many people were not positive about Nadal's future when he finished 2009 on a poor note losing all his matches in the WTF and when he got injured in the 2010 Australian Open quarter final again Andy Murray but Nadal came back strongly and went on a rampage sweeping all the 3 clay masters and the remaining 3 slams (Monte Carlo, Rome, Madris, French Open, Wimbledon and US Open) in 2010.

4. Many people concluded that Nadal's career is finished when he skipped the second half of 2012 because of injury but he came back very strongly in 2013 winning multiple majors and masters titles in addition to sweeping the summer hard court season (Montreal, Cincinnati and US open).

5. No body gave Nadal any chance in the 2022 Australian open even after Djokovic was disqualified but Nadal ended up winning the tournament by coming back from 2 sets down in the final.

6. The same situation that is happening currently with regard to Nadal actually happened just two years ago in the lead up to the 2022 French open. Nadal was forced to pull out of Monte Carlo and Barcelona because of injury and he lost in the quarter finals at Madrid (Alcaraz) and Rome (Shapovalov) and not many people gave him a chance to win the French Open but Nadal managed to win his 14th French Open title beating the tournament favorite Djokovic along the way.

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7. There was a time when no body gave Nadal any chance to surpass Federer's slam record and they took Federer's record for granted but Nadal ended up winning more slams than Federer (22 > 20).

So I did not make any fake statement and I stated the mere fact which I had observed over time.
 
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Sathya said:
I have noticed right from the beginning of Nadal's career that people always under-estimated Nadal's ability and chances only to be proved wrong again and again. Here are a few examples:

1. Many people predicted that Nadal will not last beyond 25 years of age because of his physically demanding style of play but Nadal continued winning slams and other big tournaments till the age of 35.

2. Many people predicted earlier that Nadal will not win anything outside of clay but he managed to win 2 Wimbledon titles (3 times finalist, he should have won in 2018 but Djokovic somehow got away with it by sheer luck), 4 US Open titles, 2 Australian Open titles (along with lots of finals which could have easily gone his way), 6 times Rogers cup, 3 times Indian wells etc..

3. Many people were not positive about Nadal's future when he finished 2009 on a poor note losing all his matches in the WTF and when he got injured in the 2010 Australian Open quarter final again Andy Murray but Nadal came back strongly and went on a rampage sweeping all the 3 clay masters and the remaining 3 slams (Monte Carlo, Rome, Madris, French Open, Wimbledon and US Open) in 2010.

4. Many people concluded that Nadal's career is finished when he skipped the second half of 2012 because of injury but he came back very strongly in 2013 winning multiple majors and masters titles in addition to sweeping the summer hard court season (Montreal, Cincinnati and US open).

5. No body gave Nadal any chance in the 2022 Australian open even after Djokovic was disqualified but Nadal ended up winning the tournament by coming back from 2 sets down in the final.

6. The same situation that is happening currently with regard to Nadal actually happened two years ago in the lead up to the 2022 French open. Nadal was forced to pull out of Monte Carlo and Barcelona because of injury and he lost in the quarter finals at Madrid (Alcaraz) and Rome (Shapovalov) and not many people gave him a chance to win the French Open but Nadal managed to win his 14th French Open title beating the tournament favorite Djokovic along the way.

So I did not make any fake statement and I stated the mere fact which I had observed over time.
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As much as it's obvious you're trolling, I don't mind. Everything is straight facts :p Nadal is epic AF :D

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MichaelNadal said:
As much as it's obvious you're trolling, I don't mind. Everything is straight facts :p Nadal is epic AF :D

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Sorry. I was never trolling. I was stating my honest opinion. Whatever I have stated above are mere facts based on my observation over the years. Please tell me which of my above points is incorrect.
 
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I already said, straight facts :D
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Trolling is one thing. Being over optimistic is something completely different. And we don't know yet whether hoping that Nadal can win another Roland Garros is over optimistic or right on the money. Personally I think he can't do it. I think he has been inactive too long. So in my book hoping that he will win again is unrealistic. But I also won't entirely rule out the possibility.

For the same reason I won't rule out the possibility that Djokovic is still going to do something important this year.
 
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Sathya said:
Winning French Open (and on clay in general) is in Nadal's genes. When Nadal is very motivated and healthy, nothing can stop him in Roland Garros. There is a clear reason why he has won the French open 14 times.

I do not like the fact that people always under-estimate Nadal's ability and always see him as an underdog. According to me, Nadal is a born champion. He is extremely talented and very hard working with extremely high level of determination and mental toughness, and he is among the greatest of champions in the entire sports history. He is born to win and rule the world of sports.

So even if Nadal goes on win many more big titles going forward (like for example Wimbledon or US open this year), I will not see it as a miracle. Nadal is simply capable of winning anything and everything. This is my honest opinion. I wish people stop under-estimating Nadal's talent and potential and give him the respect that his ability, his attitude and his achievement deserve.

Kindly forgive me if I had said anything wrong.
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If he wins that means the injuries were fake.
 
Gary Duane said:
Trolling is one thing. Being over optimistic is something completely different. And we don't know yet whether hoping that Nadal can win another Roland Garros is over optimistic or right on the money. Personally I think he can't do it. I think he has been inactive too long. So in my book hoping that he will win again is unrealistic. But I also won't entirely rule out the possibility.

For the same reason I won't rule out the possibility that Djokovic is still going to do something important this year.
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Oh I don't mean the part about Nadal winning something now lol, just defying the odds his whole career etc.
 
I have to disagree. After injuries and at his age, it would be a miracle if he will win RG.
Anyway, odds are coming down and Rafa is the fourth favorite after Alcaraz, Djokovic and Sinner, with Rafa at +650/+800
 
NaDjoFed said:
I have to disagree. After injuries and at his age, it would be a miracle if he will win RG.
Anyway, odds are coming down and Rafa is the fourth favorite after Alcaraz, Djokovic and Sinner, with Rafa at +650/+800
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Let's see what he does in the weeks leading up to Roland Garros.
 
I think from a neutral perspective BEFORE the tournament starts it's the most interesting RG visit of Rafa's career. Because literally everything can happen.

And not only that. What makes it such a strange oaccasion is that Rafa might lose in the 1st round to a nobody OR win the tournament without losing a set, and in BOTH cases we might say "of course exactly THAT was going to happen." ;)
 
ChrisRF said:
I think from a neutral perspective BEFORE the tournament starts it's the most interesting RG visit of Rafa's career. Because literally everything can happen.

And not only that. What makes it such a strange oaccasion is that Rafa might lose in the 1st round to a nobody OR win the tournament without losing a set, and in BOTH cases we might say "of course exactly THAT was going to happen." ;)
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What happens is this. We see dozens and even more than dozens of random predictions. All the people making predictions are basically saying that they are so smart and that their predictions are logical. But they are really mostly random. In the end someone is going to be lucky. Someone is going to be right only for that reason.

My position is the same as yours. Nadal could be out at Roland Garros in the first or second round. Or he could win the whole thing. When the tournament is over, 2020 hindsight will make it sound like someone saw the future. But I can't think of a year that was more up in the air than this one is.
 
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