nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Alcaraz would not overtake him in rankings.
Do you agree ?
Do you agree ?
Even if sinner gets a ban
- Thread starter nolefam_2024
- Start date
Pheasant
Legend
I'm not sure that Alcaraz will pass Zverev in the standings. He trails him by 625 points right now. And Alcaraz is defending IW, the FO, and WI titles. That's a big ask for him to end up ahead of Zverev this year. The QF exit at the AO hurt him badly.
I think that Alcaraz will end up #2 or #3 this year, depending heavily on the Sinner verdict.
I think that Alcaraz will end up #2 or #3 this year, depending heavily on the Sinner verdict.
Better_Call_Raul
Legend
The ranking points of Puerta were stripped by the Tribunal decision not by CAS.
The CAS might ban Sinner but they will not strip Sinner of ranking points.
The Tribunal decision already stripped the young Sinner of 400 ranking points.
It is highly doubtful that CAS even has the authority to strip points, as the appealing party (WADA) is only requesting a ban.
The suspension was for eight years, the longest in tennis history at that time. As a result, Puerta was forced to forfeit all of his rankings points and prize money from the 2005 French Open onwards,
The Tribunal noted, however, that "The amount of etilefrine detected in the positive drugs test was too small to have any effect on his performance".
Puerta appealed against the ban, claiming that he only ingested trace amounts of it accidentally left over by his wife in a glass.
In 2006, his suspension was reduced to two years by the Court of Arbitration for Sport, making him eligible to restart his career in 2007.
Last edited:
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
It is technically possible because Zverev underperformed post rg due to pneumonia.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Can the genetic freak overcome the clostebol enhanced universal soldier?
GloW
Professional
GloW
Professional
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
May TTW perish.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
Consistency vs peaks, it's difficult to say who will come out on top again at the end of the year.
Obviously as a Sinner fan I don't even want to think about the possibility of him being disqualified, so I'm just focusing on Zverev vs Alcaraz.
If I have to make a prediction, I would say that Alcaraz will be able to have greater consistency this year than he (did not) have in 2024, combining it with the usual peaks, while Zverev, despite having already returned from the excellent finish in the final in Melbourne, may not confirm the same consistency as last year, and at the same time he will never have Alcaraz's peaks either.
So I choose Alcaraz, as is normal given that he was, remains and will always be a player of a higher caliber than that of the German.
Obviously as a Sinner fan I don't even want to think about the possibility of him being disqualified, so I'm just focusing on Zverev vs Alcaraz.
If I have to make a prediction, I would say that Alcaraz will be able to have greater consistency this year than he (did not) have in 2024, combining it with the usual peaks, while Zverev, despite having already returned from the excellent finish in the final in Melbourne, may not confirm the same consistency as last year, and at the same time he will never have Alcaraz's peaks either.
So I choose Alcaraz, as is normal given that he was, remains and will always be a player of a higher caliber than that of the German.
RSJfan
Hall of Fame
And pertinent to your fav Carrot the suspension was reduced ignoring the explicit WADA Code sanctions scheme in place at the time which provided for what was his second offence a suspension from 8-years to lifetime.
Cutting through the legal BS, the panel thought the WADA Code’s 8 years was unfair so they gave him 2 years instead.
Last edited:
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Even in worst case I would think it will take time for alcaraz to be number 1. Unless he goes nuclear. The Rotterdam win is big one in his efforts.
Jannik Sinner's suspension form tennis could fire Carlos Alcaraz to world No 1
Why Carlos Alcaraz may be denied a chance to return to world No 1 until the final weeks of 2025.
www.tennis365.com
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Depends.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
You may have made judgement but the question is not about his character but possible number 1 scenarios.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
You’re right, of course, but I have already made my judgement, which is FINAL.
RSJfan
Hall of Fame
Would you please release your reasoned opinion or provide a reasonable time frame when we may expect it. Thank you for your consideration.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
Sinner currently has around 11300 points, considering that in the next 3 tournaments, namely Doha, Indian Wells and Miami, he only has 1000 points to defend from the Miami title, given that Doha essentially replaces Rotterdam 2024 which he won (and which he has already lost), and in Indian Wells the points from the 2024 tournament were taken away from him, this means that after Miami there is a possibility that he could exceed 12 thousand points.Even in worst case I would think it will take time for alcaraz to be number 1. Unless he goes nuclear. The Rotterdam win is big one in his efforts.
Jannik Sinner's suspension form tennis could fire Carlos Alcaraz to world No 1
Why Carlos Alcaraz may be denied a chance to return to world No 1 until the final weeks of 2025.
And if he participates in Monte Carlo and perhaps wins it, he could even get close to 13 thousand.
From this hypothetical scenario we start by thinking about his subsequent disqualification, where however I repeat that he could also ask that the official nature of the sentence be postponed until the last minute, which corresponds to about a month after the trial of 16/17 April, so in this case he could also participate in both Madrid and Rome.
However, let's say he is disqualified before Roland Garros with almost 13 thousand points under his belt, then the points he loses before the US Open will be just under 3 thousand between the semi-final of Roland Garros, victory in Halle, quarter-finals at Wimbledon and Canada Open and victory in Cincinnati.
So before the US Open he could still have around 10 thousand points.
At that point will Alcaraz and Zverev be able to get that far?
I think not.
So in the scenario in which Sinner is disqualified, to oust him from number 1 I think we will still have to wait until the end of the US Open.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
As for the asterisk theory in case of disqualification, just the usual allusions as an end in themselves from the various frustrated haters.
If Sinner were to be disqualified the sentence will not issue something like "Sinner was disqualified because he intentionally tried to dope while trying to improve his performance" but it will say "Sinner was disqualified because it was his objective responsibility to control what happened within his staff"
I say, some don't even know what they're talking about.
If Sinner were to be disqualified the sentence will not issue something like "Sinner was disqualified because he intentionally tried to dope while trying to improve his performance" but it will say "Sinner was disqualified because it was his objective responsibility to control what happened within his staff"
I say, some don't even know what they're talking about.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
This zverev guy is so useless that Raz might get to number 1 if Sinner is banned. Zverev is unable to win even 250s. If the draw was flipped, I am very much confident Raz is worse draw for Nole than PEAK saschaMay TTW perish.
GloW
Professional
Zverev doesn't need some puny 250 tournaments anymore. He was probably only there to practice and train his technique. He goes much harder in masters and plays dramatically better in grand slams. Besides Carlos lost to Novak and Zed didn't even if it was only one set.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Dude if draw was flipped it's very likely that Djokovic straight sets the guy in ao. He has such a problem vs best players that he will need to get lucky break.
GloW
Professional
He has a problem with warming up his serve and usually loses the 1st set. He also just needs to convert more of his break points. That's literally it. Then he wins.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
I am not sure this is the right assessment
Alcaraz did not lose points at AO, he left in QF in 2024.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
I consider you the most resilient fan on the forum for how you always try to look at the glass half full without letting events affect you in the slightest.
Having said this, I ask you, and I hope you will answer me honestly, if to date you are satisfied with Zverev's career compared to what were the expectations from his first years on the circuit (where many defined him as a possible future dominator).
But before you answer me (obviously if you want to), I want to add that even as a Sinner fan, I was very disappointed by Zverev in the final of the last Australian Open, but not so much in terms of his game (that in any case is consequential) but by his attitude.
Attitude of someone who, right from the first games, showed the body language of someone who felt destined to play the part of the sacrificial victim.
Against Sinner if you want to have an even match, you simply cannot afford that self-destructive attitude, even if you are Zverev (undoubtedly a top player) and have the weapons to be able to hurt any opponent.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
This thread was just in time before the sinner story.
Raz has chances to get year end number 1 with sinner out. Especially in next 3 tournaments he can win maximum
Raz has chances to get year end number 1 with sinner out. Especially in next 3 tournaments he can win maximum
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
To be honest, sinner hasnt been his problem lately
The ball is in his court. But I do feel he has to step up a bit. Hopefully he'll take advantage of the opportunity in front of him.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
He is the clear favorite for Doha and IW, less so Miami but much can happen.
I mean... He did win Rotterdam, but he didn't win it really super convincing, right? He had a few too many dips for my liking still, but if he can up his level a bit, yeah.
GloW
Professional
I didn’t start watching tennis when he was being hyped up and everything. I started watching in 2021ish. I liked him after 2022 FO but thought he would never play as well as he did in 2021-2022. But I have happily been proven wrong. He has completely exceeded my expectations and I would have never guessed that he would make 2 grand spam finals. I do think however that he was significantly overhyped when he came onto the tour. It was easy to see that he had a lot of flaws in his game but for some reason people kept hyping him up. That’s why no one likes him, he dissapointed them all by not meeting their expectations. But I think the fact that he has completely recovered from his injury, changed the way he plays the game, and improved his mental state has made him completely exceed my expectations. For now he is underrated because no one believes in him. He definitely played bad in that major final but I think he can improve on that and learn from his mistakes. He is constantly improving his game and I believe one day he will win a slam. Whether he deserves it or not .
GloW
Professional
I mean think about it, he really needs to improve his mentality on winning those important points. His game against Novak: Converts 0/5 break points could have easily closed that set. His game against Fritz: converts 1/7 break points I mean come on that match was easily winnable if he improved his "BP mentality" or whatever he literally had MP. Match against Fils: 1/22 break points converted!! If he concentrates more on winning important points he could greatly improve his chances of winning a grand slam. He has one of the lowest break point conversion rates in the entire top 100 which is something that needs to be fixed.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Players like Djokovic and sinner are a bit of a problem for him because of the extreme consistency, but he has proved he can be good during two weeks, so its a Matter of perseverance and waiting for his moment while keeping his level during the year, not an easy task but its doable, he Will need extreme motivation though and thats not easy when the top guys close the door on you again and again, but i would like to see him get a slam before he retires, his perseverance is admirable, and when on his best level hes a real beast
Similar threads
