Ever seen a heavyweight Brawl on the court?

Nacho

Professional
#1
So, I witnessed a near Brawl in a league match, bout as close to coming to punches as I have ever seen. I got to thinking though: in 35 years of playing tennis tournaments, leagues, Jr's, high school and college, I have never actually seen a full on fight break out. Lots of yelling, maybe a push, but not a fist fight...Tennis players seem to work it out....Or am I wrong? Wondering if any of you have seen a full on fight? Please do tell
 
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#3
So, I witnessed a near Brawl in a league match, bout as close to coming to punches as I have ever seen. I got to thinking though: in 35 years of playing tennis tournaments, leagues, Jr's, high school and college, I have never actually seen a full on fight break out. Lots of yelling, maybe a push, but not a fist fight...Tennis players seem to work it out....Or am I wrong? Wondering if any of you have seen a full on fight? Please do tell
were they actually on the same side of the net... or were they still posturing with a barrier between them?

hehe, i subscribe to r/streetfights...
fighting is a zero win... either you get KTFO, or you get sued because you just killed someone when their head makes that cataloupe-squish-sound when you drop it from 6ft.
just walk away!
 
#8
So, I witnessed a near Brawl in a league match, bout as close to coming to punches as I have ever seen. I got to thinking though: in 35 years of playing tennis tournaments, leagues, Jr's, high school and college, I have never actually seen a full on fight break out. Lots of yelling, maybe a push, but not a fist fight...Tennis players seem to work it out....Or am I wrong? Wondering if any of you have seen a full on fight? Please do tell

Funny. After I played a bit last night I swung by a country club that my old team was playing at. The CC guys are well known a-hats, and they didn't disappoint last night. The 1D court guys thought everything they did was gold and good, so every out call (seriously, almost everyone) was met with mumbles of being blind and cheating to win, and then calling balls a foot in out. Right next to that, the 1S guy, who wouldn't say *shizz* if he had a mouthful, walks over to me between sets and is telling me the guy he is playing was being an a-hat as well. The 1S guy from the other team was hitting balls to corners so our guy had to walk to pick them up, and also would hold a ball and NOT send it back even when asked. Finally our normally mild manner teammate went off and literally says, "You are being a complete D and sucking the fun out of this match." Of course, the other guy starts pleading the 5th, like he isn't doing anything...but continues to be the exact same jerk right after and now smiling about it.

Anyway, like I mentioned, they are well-known to be like that anyway, but last night's drama was the most I had seen in our league matches. Of course, no fist fights or anything more than talk as mentioned. But it was testy...and silly.
 

Nacho

Professional
#9
What was the fight about? Was one guy poaching on the other guy's mixed doubles partner?

Or were one of those sons-a-beaches touching the center line while serving?
Basically, it was a few smashed overheads at players with no hand up "sorry", a few "come on's" and then the event capitulated by a questionable line call. Start as some back and forth "chatter" and turned into face to face confrontation...

Once in a college tennis match I had something similar happen, but thats as close to "blows" as I have ever come...This certainly seemed out of place for a League match
 

Nacho

Professional
#12
Funny. After I played a bit last night I swung by a country club that my old team was playing at. The CC guys are well known a-hats, and they didn't disappoint last night. The 1D court guys thought everything they did was gold and good, so every out call (seriously, almost everyone) was met with mumbles of being blind and cheating to win, and then calling balls a foot in out. Right next to that, the 1S guy, who wouldn't say *shizz* if he had a mouthful, walks over to me between sets and is telling me the guy he is playing was being an a-hat as well. The 1S guy from the other team was hitting balls to corners so our guy had to walk to pick them up, and also would hold a ball and NOT send it back even when asked. Finally our normally mild manner teammate went off and literally says, "You are being a complete D and sucking the fun out of this match." Of course, the other guy starts pleading the 5th, like he isn't doing anything...but continues to be the exact same jerk right after and now smiling about it.

Anyway, like I mentioned, they are well-known to be like that anyway, but last night's drama was the most I had seen in our league matches. Of course, no fist fights or anything more than talk as mentioned. But it was testy...and silly.
I think your right....My point in all this is that being an individual sport, the a-hole's have no problem acting like that because they don't think anything will happen. And I have never seen it happen, but was hoping there might be some karma moments....
 
#14
Back in high school my doubles partner had to hold me back one time because the other team had called balls that were clearly in as out multiple times, and even after I got on their case a few times they kept doing it, so I was ready to come over the net after about the 6th time it happened. Cooler heads prevailed and they did finally start calling the lines fairly.
 
#15
So, I witnessed a near Brawl in a league match, bout as close to coming to punches as I have ever seen. I got to thinking though: in 35 years of playing tennis tournaments, leagues, Jr's, high school and college, I have never actually seen a full on fight break out. Lots of yelling, maybe a push, but not a fist fight...Tennis players seem to work it out....Or am I wrong? Wondering if any of you have seen a full on fight? Please do tell
I remember a story some years ago told on the forum by a user who said he either witness or was involved in a physical altercation on the tennis courts. All I remember was laughing about how he said one guy bled all over his Federer Miami 2010 Henley or something like that.
 
#16
Most of the time it is just people posturing with no real intent to fight. That would be even more comical to see than the fact that they are arguing over REC tennis. The only way I am fighting is if someone sets their tennis bag on my bench. It's on like Donkey Kong then.
What if the coach takes your balls?
 

Rattler

Professional
#18
I’ve seen some one get cold-cocked and knocked out on a changeover. It was shocking not only because it was violent...but it came out of nowhere...the puncher asked “are you sure?” and that was about it...on the changeover after the first game of the second set...Bam! Police where called...puncher was banned from the USTA...have no idea about the legal trouble afterwards.


BTW it was a men’s 3.5 match
 
#19
I’ve seen some one get cold-cocked and knocked out on a changeover. It was shocking not only because it was violent...but it came out of nowhere...the puncher asked “are you sure?” and that was about it...on the changeover after the first game of the second set...Bam! Police where called...puncher was banned from the USTA...have no idea about the legal trouble afterwards.


BTW it was a men’s 3.5 match
Luckily Utah is an open carry state.

Here's my mixed doubles partner making her way to the court for our match last week.

You should see the reaction when she asks "are you sure?"

 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
#21
The closest I came was during a match when I first started playing USTA in NJ about 15 years ago. I was playing for a captain who was about 60 with bad knees, but a great guy, kind of grandfatherly. There was a court playing nearby that wasn't part of the USTA match, and they were middle aged guys who had a kid about 3 or 4 there. Of course, they weren't watching very closely and the kid wandered off and ran onto the court where my captain was playing. He stopped playing and tried to get the kid to go back to the court where his dad was playing, with little success. Suddenly, the dad, a grade A *********, comes running over and starts yelling at and threatening my captain like "don't you ever talk to my kid again or I'll F you up" & whatnot, again to a 60 year old guy who was just trying to help the kid. I was still in the beginning phase of my weight loss diet, so I was still maybe 235 or 240, and I stopped my match for a second and went over to that court and stepped into his face and said I'm security on this team and if you touch him, I'll kill you. Now take your kid and don't bother us. He backed down and took the kid and left at that point, but I was prepared for physical conflict if necessary if he escalated it further.
 

Rattler

Professional
#22
Luckily Utah is an open carry state.

Here's my mixed doubles partner making her way to the court for our match last week.

You should see the reaction when she asks "are you sure?"


Lol...awesome

Texas isn’t exactly ‘gun-shy?’

Incidentally the puncher was a former NFL kicker.
 

MisterP

Hall of Fame
#24
I have not seen it come to blows, but there is enough alcohol flowing in some of these league matches that I’m kind of surprised. I did step between two guys once that I’m almost sure would have gotten into it. They started yelling at each other from across the court. One guy smashed a ball toward the other guy out of anger. It missed him and sailed about a foot from his 9 month pregnant wife. Dude jumps up and charges the guy like a black rhino. At the time I was thinking “Ya, this a-shole deserves a slap, but I also don’t feel like having our match ruined and then standing around waiting for the cops to get there.”
 

Rui

Semi-Pro
#27
I saw two tennis players throwing punches behind the courts. Don’t know why. They both came back toward the pro shop arguing and threatening to fight again while a third party tried to defuse them. I guess it worked. They didn’t fight again.
 
#28
The closest I came was during a match when I first started playing USTA in NJ about 15 years ago. I was playing for a captain who was about 60 with bad knees, but a great guy, kind of grandfatherly. There was a court playing nearby that wasn't part of the USTA match, and they were middle aged guys who had a kid about 3 or 4 there. Of course, they weren't watching very closely and the kid wandered off and ran onto the court where my captain was playing. He stopped playing and tried to get the kid to go back to the court where his dad was playing, with little success. Suddenly, the dad, a grade A *********, comes running over and starts yelling at and threatening my captain like "don't you ever talk to my kid again or I'll F you up" & whatnot, again to a 60 year old guy who was just trying to help the kid. I was still in the beginning phase of my weight loss diet, so I was still maybe 235 or 240, and I stopped my match for a second and went over to that court and stepped into his face and said I'm security on this team and if you touch him, I'll kill you. Now take your kid and don't bother us. He backed down and took the kid and left at that point, but I was prepared for physical conflict if necessary if he escalated it further.
That’s a funny story.

I often play on a court that has a park nearby. Once in a while somebody’s small child will run on to the court while we are playing. Your natural reaction would be to tell the child as nice and as calm as you can that you are using the court now and they can use it later, when you are finished. Or to maybe alert the parent as nicely as you can that their child could get hurt, etc

This works with say 95% of “sensible” people. But you are bound to run into a few cases just like you describe. I certainly have. Not with guys wanting to beat me up. But with mothers screaming don’t tell me how to raise my child, etc. Their reaction tells you that they find themselves in this situation often. Not much you can do but apologize and hope the kid doesn’t come back on court. If he does, it’s probably best to just leave and find a different court
 
#29
I posted about it years ago but I once intervened during a doubles match I was in. My opponents started arguing with each other and at one point got into each other's face and neither side would back down.

I ran across to their side of the court and physically got between them and talked down the big, angry guy who would have absolutely destroyed the other guy. I figured the worst that could happen is the bigger guy would shove me or deck me, but I would try to block his punch or duck if he did throw down at me.

It had gotten to the point of racial name-calling, etc., and --- well, just plain stupid.
 
#30
Their reaction tells you that they find themselves in this situation often. Not much you can do but apologize and hope the kid doesn’t come back on court. If he does, it’s probably best to just leave and find a different court
Or, call child protective services and turn her in for endangering her kid--she probably lets him run around in the street too, and then wonders why he got flattened.:eek:
 
#33
I think @dgold44 posted a little while back that he got in a fight at a Portland tennis club and got kicked out.
Maybe he can give more details about his "brawl."

He's been training in grappling in Vegas, so he may try to take his next fight on the court to the ground.
 

atatu

Hall of Fame
#34
Ok, I have to tell this story. This is back in the 80's, two buddies of mine are playing for a D3 Texas school against a D3 Oklahoma school. They are in a tough match against two Asian guys (please don't accuse me of being politically incorrect, I'm just telling the story) and one of the guys is moving around a lot while my friend is serving. So eventually my friend says "stop hopping around mother_ _ _ _ er." The guy drops to his knees and lets out a guttural scream, his partner says "You take that back !" My friend is confused and says "um, it's just a figure of speech ?" but by then the offended guy has crossed the net and is swinging his racket at my friend who is fending him off like a fencer. All hell breaks loose and the coach orders everyone off the courts and onto the bus, by the time they all get on the bus, there are like 100 of the guys friends gathered around the bus. So yeah, watch what you say to people, you never know how seriously people take things.
 
#35
I was playing in an Senior Age Group Tournament and between matches heard a commotion, looked over and one player was swinging his racket at the other and saying "You think you're the great....", and there was blood splattering on their shirts. The poor lady tournament referee tried to get in-between them but she had no chance of separating them. The club's big young Tennis Director ran over and was able to get in between them. These were guys maybe in their 60's back then, and it sounded like there may have been bad blood between them prior--at least on the side of the "mouth" who was the instigator of the mano a mano, swinging his racket and drawing first blood. The other guy, who from the few times I'd observed his matches, was always a gentleman--but, he was a number 1 player nationally therefore a target for jealousy. Result : 2 blood spattered shirts, and a broken hand by the guy trying to defend himself, saw him with a cast on a few days afterwards. The initial "cause" for the fight : Player A requested to be given the third ball--which is his right--and, player B refused. So, player A walked over to the other side of the net and got it himself--then, "the mouth" went nutzo and went after the "trespasser" retrieving the 3rd ball, screaming and swinging at him with his racket. Moral of the story : it's probably not a good idea to go over to your opponent's side of the court--even if it's your right to have all three balls--some guys are touchy about their side of the court being invaded. Hingis and Jimbo took a heat for such transgressions.
 
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#36
So, I witnessed a near Brawl in a league match, bout as close to coming to punches as I have ever seen. I got to thinking though: in 35 years of playing tennis tournaments, leagues, Jr's, high school and college, I have never actually seen a full on fight break out. Lots of yelling, maybe a push, but not a fist fight...Tennis players seem to work it out....Or am I wrong? Wondering if any of you have seen a full on fight? Please do tell
never saw an actual fight, but in a league match around 20 years ago, i witnessed a near confrontation between two guys,

during our #1 singles match, they were playing a long match, i played doubles and beat the friendly opponents, and they wanted to play another set for fun. so we said sure.
suddenly i heard a " loud "argument on the singles court, our guy and some spectator were having words, so being the acting captain, i ran over to see what's up?
apparently the "drunk" spectator was yelling at our singles player's 9 year old daughter who had walked over to the player's tennis bag to get the keys to the car.
i asked our player's opponent if the kid walking to the side of the court bothered him, he said absolutely "no", as he has 3 kids of his own.
the match was stopped, as apparently this confrontation had upset both players to the point that they could not continue.
apparently having a free case of beer at the match wasnt a good idea, as some alledged adults cant behave appropriately.
i should have filed a grievance against this spectator, as being drunk is no excuse.

tennis is suppose to be a gentlemen's game, not something that "hooligans" participate in.

z
 

norcal

Hall of Fame
#37
Ok, I have to tell this story. This is back in the 80's, two buddies of mine are playing for a D3 Texas school against a D3 Oklahoma school. They are in a tough match against two Asian guys (please don't accuse me of being politically incorrect, I'm just telling the story) and one of the guys is moving around a lot while my friend is serving. So eventually my friend says "stop hopping around mother_ _ _ _ er." The guy drops to his knees and lets out a guttural scream, his partner says "You take that back !" My friend is confused and says "um, it's just a figure of speech ?" but by then the offended guy has crossed the net and is swinging his racket at my friend who is fending him off like a fencer. All hell breaks loose and the coach orders everyone off the courts and onto the bus, by the time they all get on the bus, there are like 100 of the guys friends gathered around the bus. So yeah, watch what you say to people, you never know how seriously people take things.
I don't understand your politically incorrect reference. 'Mother****er' is a race neutral insult enjoyed by millions over the years!

And why would he drop to his knees? And why would 100 of his friends show up and surround the bus? And since when are there 100's of Asians in Oklahoma in the 80's? (sorry that last one was kind of politically incorrect)
 
#38
apparently the "drunk" spectator was yelling at our singles player's 9 year old daughter
apparently having a free case of beer at the match wasnt a good idea
Yup. Next time, a minimum of 2 cases. Then this guy will be passed out and won't bother anyone.
 
#39
I don't understand your politically incorrect reference. 'Mother****er' is a race neutral insult enjoyed by millions over the years!

And why would he drop to his knees? And why would 100 of his friends show up and surround the bus? And since when are there 100's of Asians in Oklahoma in the 80's? (sorry that last one was kind of politically incorrect)
I understood the Atatu's post but don't understand yours, or your objections? What was pc incorrect? Why WOULD he drop to his knees?--maybe he was nutz?!?--he was jumping around attempting to distract the server, which is illegal under the code--maybe the guy was on magic mushrooms? There were only two Asians mentioned--maybe the others ran out of classes or frat houses--and were a diverse group--Asians don't necessarily only associate with other Asians. Or--there is a large population of Native Americans, or First Nations, or Indigenous People, who felt a kinship with the two "Asians" ROS, since originally they came from Asia when the oceans had reseeded during the last ice age, and folks were able to walk from Mongolia, over the Bearing Land Bridge to Alaska, and then southward to Copacabana Beach.
 

atatu

Hall of Fame
#43
Well, I think the fact that the guys were Asian might explain why the guy got so upset when my friend called him an MF, possibly he didn't get the fact that it was just a figure of speech and was not meant literally...I don't really know if 100 guys actually showed up to surround the bus, that's the way these guys tell the story. Apparently back in the 80's Oklahoma Baptist had a lot of Vietnamese guys going to school there and a lot of them were on the tennis team.
 
#46
I agree with most in here that physical fights are exceedingly rare in rec tennis. Most the time, the confrontations are passive aggressive, with people saying snarky things to each other, acting rude, or just hooking on line calls where they can. However, I have seen a couple incidents that got physical.

I won't name any names to protect the innocent, but we had two teammates get into it after a practice last year. Both guys super nice, so it was really weird to witness, and it turned out the whole thing was started over a misunderstanding. Player A was having a bad day, and muttering under his breath about how badly he sucked. Player B thought that Player A's comments were actually directed towards him, and was secretly steaming inside. Player B wins a close practice set, and in frustration, Player A hits a ball hard over the fence and out of the court, but it hits a suspended walkway behind the courts and bounces back. Player B had his back turned and didn't see what happened, but the rocketed ball bounced near him, and he believes Player A intentionally hit a ball at him after the set was over. Player B, who is a former Mr Olympia level body builder and in incredible shape, loses his mind, charges Player A, and starts screaming obscenities while pushing Player A's face and chest. Player A, who is about 6'3 and 230 lbs, is shocked and wisely refuses to engage physically. Player B then storms over to the bench, throws his racquet bag, and proceeds to punch the 10 gallon Gatorade jug between the benches so hard, it flies about 15 feet and splashes down in the doubles alley of the adjacent court. He then huffed off... screaming... with a broken hand. This was just a few days before Nationals, and his tirade cost us his services as one of our better players at the event... but it also meant I got to play one more Nationals match than I expected... so... :cool:?

Another time, over 10 years ago, my doubles partner got into a shoving match in a USTA league match with one of our opponents. Opponent thought we made a bad line call on a serve. His partner disagreed as we all saw the ball land about a foot out. It really wasn't a close call, very routine, and three of us all saw it that way, and there hadn't been any disagreements before this. However, opponent won't let it go and keeps cussing at us and calling us cheaters. I'm getting pissed, and I'm returning the next serve, so I decide that if I get a forehand, I'm going to hit my shot up the line as hard as I can right at him... which happens, and it nails him in the chest. Opponent throws down his racquet and charges over the net at me. I stand my ground and opponent is screaming and pointing his finger in my face. My doubles partner (who is about 6 inches taller than both of us, former military, and a former hockey player) jumps in and starts pushing the opponent back. Opponent starts pushing my partner, saying he's going to kill us both. Players from opponent's team come running off of other courts and pull him away, taking him out to his car. Match is over at that point. Opponent's doubles partner and their team captain are flabbergasted and apologizing profusely. Opponent's captain encourages us to file a grievance against his own player, which we do, and he gets banned for the rest of the season. Fast forward a decade, I'm now (cautious) friends with that opponent, who is always exceedingly nice whenever we play, and I am a member of that captain's team frequently... so I guess it had a happy resolution? :unsure:
 
#47
Well, I think the fact that the guys were Asian might explain why the guy got so upset when my friend called him an MF, possibly he didn't get the fact that it was just a figure of speech and was not meant literally...I don't really know if 100 guys actually showed up to surround the bus, that's the way these guys tell the story. Apparently back in the 80's Oklahoma Baptist had a lot of Vietnamese guys going to school there and a lot of them were on the tennis team.
If the roles were reversed, the Asian guys would have gotten the number of people that surrounded the bus correct. It's not a stereotype, it's just that white people are really bad at over exaggerating stories.
 
#48
I witnessed one really ugly situation where Player A spent the entire match muttering these really cutting, cruel obscenities at Player B, such that Player B could hear every single one. You could see Player B getting more and more frustrated, but I guess he didn't want to escalate the situation, because he cooled down to play the actual points. But the chirping kept up all match, and finally, with Player A losing, he sailed a ball long and just lost it—started hitting Player B in the shin with his racket over and over, and it was weird, but he kept saying "this is what you deserve, you piece of ****." And Player B just let it happen, just grimaced once in a while but otherwise didn't react.

Strangest thing I've seen on a tennis court. Also, I should note that both Player A and Player B were me.
 
#50
I witnessed one really ugly situation where Player A spent the entire match muttering these really cutting, cruel obscenities at Player B, such that Player B could hear every single one. You could see Player B getting more and more frustrated, but I guess he didn't want to escalate the situation, because he cooled down to play the actual points. But the chirping kept up all match, and finally, with Player A losing, he sailed a ball long and just lost it—started hitting Player B in the shin with his racket over and over, and it was weird, but he kept saying "this is what you deserve, you piece of ****." And Player B just let it happen, just grimaced once in a while but otherwise didn't react.

Strangest thing I've seen on a tennis court. Also, I should note that both Player A and Player B were me.
Best post in the thread! (y)

Kinda' reminds me of "Good Goran/Bad Goran/Emergency Goran" from 2001 Wimbledon:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1333452/Goran-the-Split-personality.html

 
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