Everybody Hyeon Chung Tonight!

ojo rojo said:
My features are more feline really
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What about your reflex and movement?
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Nostradamus said:
Chung is the BEST player in history of tennis in Korea. and he will win 5-6 majors before his career is done. Which one will be his 1st ? I think Australian open 2019
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Yes he is. But it is very short "history". Most of Asian countries including south korea have pretty short history of tennis at international competition level. may a few decades at maximim? except Japan who has been competing in pro level at least 120+ years AFAIK( there's a japanese player at Wimbledon semi final like ~100 years ago)
 
Disappointed by tonight’s match. Groundies were not bad but horrible serves.
Lucky to win the match. Hope he can improve serves or hire some serve specialist to relearn his serving motion.
If he continues to play like this style, I don’t see him that he can stay inside top 30.
Looks like 50-80 ranked player now. He should have long term goal especially Improving his serves.
He might have bad matches during new serving motion for a while but it will reward him later.
 
Man these are some rec level serves. Needs to improve fast. When looking at his body and his service motion I don't see anything horribly wrong with it. No reason why he can't improve, he just needs to do it fast because it's a huge weakness.

Solid groundstrokes though
 
He still has plenty of time and has the height on his side, but there is an off chance his serve won't ever improve.
Nishikori's serve never did, it might even have gotten worse over time.

If Chung's service doesn't improve he won't be anything more than the next Nishi, just more defensive inclined.
 
Forehand_Slice said:
He still has plenty of time and has the height on his side, but there is an off chance his serve won't ever improve.
Nishikori's serve never did, it might even have gotten worse over time.

If Chung's service doesn't improve he won't be anything more than the next Nishi, just more defensive inclined.
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The difference between them is that Nishikori is short and Chung isn’t. Chung has short legs but the overall striking height is at the same level as for example Federer or any other 1.83 guy.
Edit: Okay fed is 2cm taller but you get the gist
 
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slice bh compliment said:
I liked your post. I do not necessarily "agree" or see it happening, but...it would be pretty cool! Not for ratings, but it would be a bit of a throwback to the days of a sudden, young slam champ ('79 Mac, 89 chAng, 85 Becker, 82 wilander, 83 Noah, 87 cash, 90 sampras, 01 or was it 02 Thomas Johansson).

What i do see is Federer over Cilic in five varied sets.
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Nice prediction ;)
 
slice bh compliment said:
I liked your post. I do not necessarily "agree" or see it happening, but...it would be pretty cool! Not for ratings, but it would be a bit of a throwback to the days of a sudden, young slam champ ('79 Mac, 89 chAng, 85 Becker, 82 wilander, 83 Noah, 87 cash, 90 sampras, 01 or was it 02 Thomas Johansson).

What i do see is Federer over Cilic in five varied sets.
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Underrated
 
Forehand_Slice said:
He still has plenty of time and has the height on his side, but there is an off chance his serve won't ever improve.
Nishikori's serve never did, it might even have gotten worse over time.

If Chung's service doesn't improve he won't be anything more than the next Nishi, just more defensive inclined.
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He's young but if his service game doesn't get any better I could see durability being an issue. How much longer can he slide around and defend? How many more 3 setters can he play against guys he should be rolling over? But... again, he's young so he's got time.
 
merwy said:
Man these are some rec level serves. Needs to improve fast. When looking at his body and his service motion I don't see anything horribly wrong with it. No reason why he can't improve, he just needs to do it fast because it's a huge weakness.

Solid groundstrokes though
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I am always hash criticizing person against Chung hahaha.
He is almost 6’ 3” but those serves are like usual 5’ 10” players.
If he can’t do anything from his current serve motion, he might need to try completely changing serve motion.
I am not really saything that his serving motion is horrible.
During AO, I noticed that he might need to toss ball slightly more inside of court might help more speed But not sure it will help consistency too. He showed that how quick he can improve skills so I thought new coach might address his serve issues but honestly it’s getting worse and worse in my opinion.

Good thing is now he has game plan and no longer overpower his opponents by hitting directly to them.
Looks like he is adjusted ATP level of playing using directional balls but serves are too weak to stay inside top 30.
With Weak second serves and 8 double faults, winning match is extremely tough with good groundies.
Probably berdy will punish those weak serves for next round. Hope he will have decent serves for next match but serves can’t be improved overnight......
 
merwy said:
The difference between them is that Nishikori is short and Chung isn’t. Chung has short legs but the overall striking height is at the same level as for example Federer or any other 1.83 guy.
Edit: Okay fed is 2cm taller but you get the gist
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Main point is that they are each poor servers for their respective height.
6'3 Taro Daniel is another bad server.
It certainly is possible for Chung to improve. He'll be 22 soon as someone mentioned, developing a good serve will take time.
With his baseline game he can always squeeze out 3 setters, but in the long run that won't be sustainable.
 
merwy said:
Man these are some rec level serves. Needs to improve fast. When looking at his body and his service motion I don't see anything horribly wrong with it. No reason why he can't improve, he just needs to do it fast because it's a huge weakness.

Solid groundstrokes though
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Chung's serves are underrated. Among his strokes, serves are on the stronger side in my opinion.
His average speeds are in 110s. same ballpark as Federer,Djokovic and Nadal in speeds.
And he is winning solid % of 2nd serves.
Unusual motion doesn't necessarily mean they are poor.
Booming 1st serves do not mean great serve.
For example, Zverev has booming 1st serve but I can't regard his serves as weapon until he stabilizes his 2nd serves (particularly in long matches)

What Hyeon is still sub-par to be top 20 level is his return game.
He is still not used to top 20's serving games.
 
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I watched his serves today. Seems like his serving motion is okay. His serves were not bad today but still he should improve his serves especially cutting double faults.
I am not expert for Tennis techniques but it seems like he tosses balls too high then waiting for ball drop.
since he is a tall guy, tossing balls too high might not benefit him. Looks like he is waiting the ball drop and during that time, he lose his smooth motion or hitting point might be less consistent. Have not seen his toss from side view so I can’t comment on that but when he was playing AO, he might need to toss balls slightly inside court to boost more speed and slightly lower toss might help him more consistent serves in my opinion but I am not Tennis guru hahahaha.
Anyway great win tonight against Berdych. Thiem is out so hopefully we will see Federer vs Chung 2.
 
merwy said:
Man these are some rec level serves. Needs to improve fast. When looking at his body and his service motion I don't see anything horribly wrong with it. No reason why he can't improve, he just needs to do it fast because it's a huge weakness.

Solid groundstrokes though
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kimguroo said:
I watched his serves today. Seems like his serving motion is okay. His serves were not bad today but still he should improve his serves especially cutting double faults.
I am not expert for Tennis techniques but it seems like he tosses balls too high then waiting for ball drop.
since he is a tall guy, tossing balls too high might not benefit him. Looks like he is waiting the ball drop and during that time, he lose his smooth motion or hitting point might be less consistent. Have not seen his toss from side view so I can’t comment on that but when he was playing AO, he might need to toss balls slightly inside court to boost more speed and slightly lower toss might help him more consistent serves in my opinion but I am not Tennis guru hahahaha.
Anyway great win tonight against Berdych. Thiem is out so hopefully we will see Federer vs Chung 2.
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I've been telling you guys for last a few years and I still insist:

Chung's serve is not his weakness, it's more like one of his weapons.
 
ultradr said:
I've been telling you guys for last a few years and I still insist:

Chung's serve is not his weakness, it's more like one of his weapons.
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Comparing his ground strokes, his weakness is serve. Too many double faults and weak second serves.
Where he can improve his game now?
His groundies are okay and no need to talk about his movements. Neville changed his game plan and strategy.
I only see “serve” which can put him to inside top 20 or even top 10.
He was lucky to win first match. Hard to win matches with 8 double faults.
He had decent serves but those double faults put him to tough position. Glad he got through those tough moments.
 
ultradr said:
I've been telling you guys for last a few years and I still insist:

Chung's serve is not his weakness, it's more like one of his weapons.
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ultradr said:
Chung's serves are underrated. Among his strokes, serves are on the stronger side in my opinion.
His average speeds are in 110s. same ballpark as Federer,Djokovic and Nadal in speeds.
And he is winning solid % of 2nd serves.
Unusual motion doesn't necessarily mean they are poor.
Booming 1st serves do not mean great serve.
For example, Zverev has booming 1st serve but I can't regard his serves as weapon until he stabilizes his 2nd serves (particularly in long matches)

What Hyeon is still sub-par to be top 20 level is his return game.
He is still not used to top 20's serving games.
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You're wrong though. And we don't even have to go into details about his serve and return, a mere look at the stats is enough in this specific case.
2017 stats:
Hold game: 77,6 %, no. 33 on the ATP-tour. It drops to 74,9 % on HC* and places him at 49th there.
Return game: 28,0 % won. 5th on the ATP-tour (4th on HC only): http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/return-games-won/2017/all/all/
The latter is elite, the former is far from it.

p.s. As for winning a solid % behind his 2nd serve, he's second to last on HC last year on the people they've included: http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/2nd-serve-points-won/2017/hard/all/ - not that the 2nd serve stats is the best indicator of how good your service game is, but he sure as hell doesn't have a strong 2nd serve.

*And HC is his best surface
 
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kimguroo said:
Comparing his ground strokes, his weakness is serve. Too many double faults and weak second serves.
Where he can improve his game now?
His groundies are okay and no need to talk about his movements. Neville changed his game plan and strategy.
I only see “serve” which can put him to inside top 20 or even top 10.
He was lucky to win first match. Hard to win matches with 8 double faults.
He had decent serves but those double faults put him to tough position. Glad he got through those tough moments.
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It's his return game that has been embarrassingly sub-par. Serve return and passing shots.
He is currently working his return game.
 
Chanwan said:
You're wrong though. And we don't even have to go into details about his serve and return, a mere look at the stats is enough in this specific case.
2017 stats:
Hold game: 77,6 %, no. 33 on the ATP-tour. It drops to 74,9 % on HC* and places him at 49th there.
Return game: 28,0 % won. 5th on the ATP-tour (4th on HC only): http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/return-games-won/2017/all/all/
The latter is elite, the former is far from it.

*And HC is his best surface
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these stats doesn't tell much.
his return game against top 20 players is the one needs to be improved.
 
ultradr said:
these stats doesn't tell much.
his return game against top 20 players is the one needs to be improved.
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these stats tell plenty. I suppose you didn't see my added p.s.? Here it is:
p.s. As for winning a solid % behind his 2nd serve, he's second to last on HC last year among the people they've included with an awesome 46,7 % won on HC: http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/2nd-serve-points-won/2017/hard/all/ - not that the 2nd serve stats is the best indicator of how good your service game is, but he sure as hell doesn't have a strong nor solid 2nd serve.

Your turn: Show me some return (and serve) stats against top-20.
 
Chanwan said:
these stats tell plenty. I suppose you didn't see my added p.s.? Here it is:
p.s. As for winning a solid % behind his 2nd serve, he's second to last on HC last year among the people they've included with an awesome 46,7 % won on HC: http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/2nd-serve-points-won/2017/hard/all/ - not that the 2nd serve stats is the best indicator of how good your service game is, but he sure as hell doesn't have a strong nor solid 2nd serve.

Your turn: Show me some return (and serve) stats against top-20.
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serve stats vs top 20 :44.7% 2nd serve points won in 2017
(total = 47.9% in 2017)

vs top 20 : 2nd serve return points won in 17 : 48.7%

overall 2nd serve return points won in 17 : 52.8%

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=11176

About 4% drop

Nishikori in 2014 :

vs top 20 : 2nd serve return points won in 17 : 49.6%

overall 2nd serve return points won in 17 : 53.4%

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=5442

similar drop.
only nishi is 1% higher in both compared to Chung.


Chung's 2nd serve return points vs top 20 is fine, not a problem.
its his 2nd serve points that are a problem and even more so vs top 20.


@ultradr has no idea what he's talking about.
 
abmk said:
serve stats vs top 20 :44.7% 2nd serve points won in 2017
(total = 47.9% in 2017)

vs top 20 : 2nd serve return points won in 17 : 48.7%

overall 2nd serve return points won in 17 : 52.8%

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=11176

About 4% drop

Nishikori in 2014 :

vs top 20 : 2nd serve return points won in 17 : 49.6%

overall 2nd serve return points won in 17 : 53.4%

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=5442

similar drop.
only nishi is 1% higher in both compared to Chung.


Chung's 2nd serve return points vs top 20 is fine, not a problem.
its his 2nd serve points that are a problem and even more so vs top 20.


@ultradr has no idea what he's talking about.
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thanks, just as I expected ;-)
 
Looking forward to the Federer match. This slow courts favors Chung more than Fed, but it won't be easy at all.

If Chung can keep his serve together and drag Roger into long rallies he could make it a good match.
But if he has a poor serving day... it won't be pretty.
 
Boom-Boom said:
yep but still getting nervous re 1/4 vs Fed

first 4 games of the AO were a battle until blisters kicked in

Chung’s profile à la Djokovic could be taxing for the old man
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I am not nervous. Fed should break close to twice per set and get broken less than that. And least we forget, neither are quite there yet. I am expecting more games for Chardy than for Chung tbh
 
Chung cruising against Cuevas. Fed may not have such an easy time against blisterless Chung.
 
cuevas aint bad. but yea, chung is destroying him.

i was hoping someone would be able to win both singles and dubs here and get that million dollar bonus, but looks like it's not gonna be pablo.
 
Well anyone who thinks he doesn't need to improve his serve should just watch the end of this match.
 
eelhc said:
Well anyone who thinks he doesn't need to improve his serve should just watch the end of this match.
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Chung needs to improve his serve but he served very well against Berdych.
His 1st serves had more velocity and better placement. His 2nd serves were kicking high and to the side.
 
TenFanLA said:
Chung needs to improve his serve but he served very well against Berdych.
His 1st serves had more velocity and better placement. His 2nd serves were kicking high and to the side.
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Love everything about his game except for that awkward pinpoint stance on the serve.

With those legs of his, he should be able to add at least 73mph to his serves once he learns the platform stance.
 
Say Chi Sin Lo said:
Love everything about his game except for that awkward pinpoint stance on the serve.

With those legs of his, he should be able to add at least 73mph to his serves once he learns the platform stance.
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I wish he would go either platform or drag toe into pinpoint.
His semi-platform/semi-pinpoint looks very awkward and difficult to time.
He needs to see a serve specialist like Goran, Pat Dougherty or TenFanLA.
 
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