Everybody Hyeon Chung Tonight!

kimguroo said:
He has to earn it. It’s not “JUST”. Since he is a young player, no one can predict he will continue to play well or not. I trust him more than any other next gen players because of his hard working and calm personality.
Also it will be a clay season which he usually play better.
Honestly I am no longer interested in his ranking. I am more interested in how he can improve his serves in order to be potential GS winner.
I’ve watched him since his Wimbledon junior and many challenger matches. I always harshly criticized his game plan/strategy which just hit to opponents and try to overpowering opponents. Worked well in challenger level but never worked in ATP. I felt those can be easy fix with ATP experienced coach/team. It took two-three years but finally he got new coach and only took about two months to become real ATP player. I thought it will take one full season to be successful with new coach but it’s so quick to adjust almost everything for ATP level playing.
Nadal, Djokovic, Federer will retire within 5 years and Dimitrov does not show too much potential as GS winner now.
I don’t see other dominant consistenct players around age group of 25. Zverev, Coric, Shapo and Chung might be the one who have more potential to win GS but Zverev and Coric can be questionable.
Zverev might have similar career like Berdych and I am not sure how long Coric can keep his hot temper and playing well.
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I agree with the analysis but he is just literally three match wins from cracking top 10. That's the math and it's the result of a weak era that it is reality that a player without appearing in any sanctioned ATP final to date can be that close to cracking top 10 and he is a player whose last title was the Maui'17 Challenger.

How long he stays up there will depend on how he adapts to the red clay season from April into June. This will be his first go at it under Godwin's tutelage and there are decent points to defend (2R Houston before Europe, QFs Barca 500, SFs Munich, QFs Lyon and 3R RG). The big advantage will be avoiding qualies at a couple of those that sapped his strength by the time he met top players. And, of course, the kinder draws a seeded player will receive.

It will be an interesting next five days and then those two months.
 
stringertom said:
These next two rounds have been his undoing...just 1-5 in QFs. He is 1-2 h2h vs Isner but the win was this year on HCs at Auckland.
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I looked at the stats of those 3 Isner matches.
It looks like Chung won higher % on 2nd and 1st serve than Isner in totals of 3 matches (and something like 30% more break chances).
It just Chung took very few of those break chances vs Isner's serve.
Oh well, pretty much everybody has similar issue vs Isner, I guess.
 
kimguroo said:
No-no. Both of them are just tall. Those serves derive from their height. Chung can’t serve like them.
Both of them have slowest movement on tour because of their height so if chung can drink and eat samething like them, it might have higher percentage that Chung will move lower instead of better serves hahahahaha.

Seems like Chung plays better for early matches (probably he is morning person).
Good match today against Sousa except usual his serves. His serves were not bad but that’s only his weakness so he deserves to criticize now.

Honestly, He improved much quicker than I thought. If he can continue to play like this, he might be able to reach inside top 10 in this year and if he improve his serves, I can see multiple GS.

Next match will be tough for Chung. Chung always struggled with Isner because of “SERVE”.
There will be no problem with Chung’s groundstrokes against Isner but Isner hit huge serves and he barely returned his serves so Isner mostly hold his service game easily but Chung’s service game often went shaky because Sometimes Isner goes for aggressive return or double faults from Chung.

If Isner does not have good serving day, Chung might win 6-4 or 7-5 but Isner has decent serving day, there will be good chance that Isner might win 6-3.
Chung should win the match but it won’t be easy since Isner might hit a lot of junk balls since Chung will hit powerful strokes and decent return against Isner’s big serves will be the key.
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Bro he's joking
 
stringertom said:
Chung is now just three victories away from top 10. NCH #19 in live rankings.
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I think Chung can potentially break into top 10 as early as within 4-5 weeks.
(If not, pretty sure in about 2 - 3 months).

His lower bound goal should be top 8 by year end.
But I personally think his goal in 2018 should be to reach top 5.
 
I hope my prediction was wrong but Chung played exactly what I expected.
When players play against Isner, they hold their serves and continue to hang around then looking for mistake from Isner but Chung could not hold his serve games since his serves were not there. How many times we’ve seen 40-15 goes to deuce from his matches....

I am questioning that Neville will be enough for improving his serve......
there is no question that Neville did great jobs on Chung’s game plan and strategy but I don’t see any positive thing for Chung’s serves now. He needs serve specialists but Neville is the coach so hopefully ego will not play here and his manager plays a good role to find and have a few serve sessions with specialists.

His goal should not be inside top 10 or even top 5. He should aim for GS title.
 
A good serve is necessary to beat Isner. Isner returns horribly but if you give him slow serves then he’ll just swing at it freely and break you sooner or later. A good serve would also put more pressure on his service games.

So too bad.. better luck next time.

I’m not too worried about the clay season. It’s not like he won a slam there last year, just a couple of match wins in small tournaments to defend and a third round at RG. He’s won so many points already this season, if he does half as well in the rest of the season he will already have exceeded his own expectations by miles.
 
Oh! But talk tennis said Chung Hyeon is the next Novak Djokovic!

Hopefully the other next Novak Djokovic, Borna Coric will do better!
 
merwy said:
A good serve is necessary to beat Isner. Isner returns horribly but if you give him slow serves then he’ll just swing at it freely and break you sooner or later. A good serve would also put more pressure on his service games.

So too bad.. better luck next time.

I’m not too worried about the clay season. It’s not like he won a slam there last year, just a couple of match wins in small tournaments to defend and a third round at RG. He’s won so many points already this season, if he does half as well in the rest of the season he will already have exceeded his own expectations by miles.
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He was 14-5 on clay including 4 qualies match wins so he has over 300 points to defend through RG. That includes QFs at Barca ATP500, SFs at Munich ATP250 and 2R at Houston and Lyon ATP250.
 
NuBas said:
Chung's current coach is not the answer, I hope he dumps him soon.
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It’s extremely tough decision to make since It’s part of business too and not sure Chung can stand up then saying I need new coach. Neville is doing excellent job to transform Chung as a true ATP player.
He was a top challenger level player until Oct. 2017 and not successful at ATP. Finally He won next gen match without Neville. During winter time, he met Neville in Thailand and they worked together less than 8 weeks since then He played good tennis. Getting Neville might not be hard for chung since Chung is under same manager with Kevin Anderson.

Now more people is watching and criticizing with too much expectations without seeing him long enough. Chung has huge potential better than I expected. I thought he will be top 20 player for his career but Now I can see him as GS winner. Unfortunately if he has current serves, it will be only dream.

I’ve searched for Chung’s serve motion and looks like he changed his serve motion but currently it’s not effective.
Changing coach might be too early but Neville might not help Chung’s serves. Hopefully Chung’s team should address serve issues and getting help from serve specialists.
 
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MrFlip said:
What research!

Most players struggle from time to time with Isner and Karlovic.
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Then why are you suggesting that the comparison to Novak is invalid if as you say everyone has issues with Isner and Karlovic?


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MrFlip said:
What research!

Most players struggle from time to time with Isner and Karlovic.
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Nadal has NEVER lost to Isner or Karlovic. Fed has just the one loss in 14 matches against Karlovic (two losses to Isner though). Murray is 15-0 against Isner+Karlovic. Djokovic is 1-3 against Karlovic (!) and has also lost twice to Isner so by far he has the worst record among the big four against these two. Djokovic is amazing at returning 'normal' serves but not so great against servebots for some reason. Maybe Chung is shaping up in a similar way.
 
Bender said:
Then why are you suggesting that the comparison to Novak is invalid if as you say everyone has issues with Isner and Karlovic?


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Lol and the scoreline from the matches where Fed/Nad/Mur have won usually are in the tiebreaks...by 2 or 3 points.....so what

Too many people on this board saying Chung is like Novak. The guy has peaked at his talent, he will be lucky to win a slam.
 
kimguroo said:
It’s extremely tough decision to make since It’s part of business too and not sure Chung can stand up then saying I need new coach. Neville is doing excellent job to transform Chung as a true ATP player.
He was a top challenger level player until Oct. 2017 and not successful at ATP. Finally He won next gen match without Neville. During winter time, he met Neville in Thailand and they worked together less than 8 weeks since then He played good tennis. Getting Neville might not be hard for chung since Chung is under same manager with Kevin Anderson.

Now more people is watching and criticizing with too much expectations without seeing him long enough. Chung has huge potential better than I expected. I thought he will be top 20 player for his career but Now I can see him as GS winner. Unfortunately if he has current serves, it will be only dream.

I’ve searched for Chung’s serve motion and looks like he changed his serve motion but currently it’s not effective.
Changing coach might be too early but Neville might not help Chung’s serves. Hopefully Chung’s team should address serve issues and getting help from serve specialists.
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Relax. Chung is doing fine. He's lost to eventual champion in most of tournaments in 2018.

Chung has been brought up to hit tennis ball with complete freedom as long as impact zone is sound.
That's chung's swing and that's one of the reasons why Chung is often underrated by many people.
I don't know how many people dismissed chung's prospect picking on his forehand style a few years ago.

His tennis is fine ( haven't I told you guys this for 3-4 years by now?)
The impact zone is sound and he is cleanest ball striker among next gen.
He is on the right road map.
He only needs someone who knows what's going on in top echelon of atp. That's all he needs.

He doesn't need anyone who wants to tinker with his swing.
His father won't let anyone do that.
That's not the way he taught his son.
His team is NOT going to listens to all the hackers picking on his serving motion, ok?

And believe me. He just needs some recovery skipping Monte Carlo.
And he will work on returning ATPs top serves more "proactively".
That's what I told you guys and that's what my sources confirmed me. Got it?
 
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ultradr said:
Relax. Chung is doing fine. He's lost to eventual champion in most of tournaments in 2018.

Chung has been brought up to hit tennis ball with complete freedom as long as impact zone is sound.
That's chung's swing and that's one of the reasons why Chung is often underrated by many people.
I don't know how many people dismissed chung's prospect picking on his forehand style a few years ago.

His tennis is fine ( haven't I told you guys this for 3-4 years by now?)
The impact zone is sound and he is cleanest ball striker among next gen.
He is on the right road map.
He only needs someone who knows what's going on in top echelon of atp. That's all he needs.

He doesn't need anyone who wants to tinker with his swing.
His father won't let anyone do that.
That's not the way he taught his son.
His team is NOT going to listens to all the hackers picking on his serving motion, ok?

And believe me. He just needs some recovery skipping Monte Carlo.
And he will work on returning ATPs top serves more "proactively".
That's what I told you guys and that's what my sources confirmed me. Got it?
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To get ahead he still needs to change his serve and maybe alter his impact zone, grip, mindset and maybe stance. Consider going lefty for just the serve...
 
ultradr said:
Chung is doing fine
His tennis is fine
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Yes chung is doing fine and his Tennis is fine but everyone who harshly criticizes him, they want to see
Chung is doing great and his Tennis is great. We don’t want to see just “fine” player. We want to see “great” player from Chung.

A little surprised that he skipped the Houston...
take time off is not bad thing but he is still young and learning so obviously any championship brings more confidences especially 250 level tournaments with less competitive tournaments which might give him more chances.
Probably go back to Korea and a week off from US tournaments then heading to Europe for clay season. Hope he won’t waist time. One or two weeks of intensive serve practice might benefit him but will see how he will play at the Barcelona tournament.
 
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kimguroo said:
Yes chung is doing fine and his Tennis is fine but everyone who harshly criticizes him, they want to see
Chung is doing great and his Tennis is great. We don’t want to see just “fine” player. We want to see “great” player from Chung.

A little surprised that he skipped the Houston...
take time off is not bad thing but he is still young and learning so obviously any championship brings more confidences especially 250 level tournaments with less competitive tournaments which might give him more chances.
Probably go back to Korea and a week off from US tournaments then heading to Europe for clay season. Hope he won’t waist time. One or two weeks of intensive serve practice might benefit him but will see how he will play at the Barcelona tournament.
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Dammit, he pulled out of Houston? I wanted to see him play.
 
Pulled out of Barcelona due to right ankle injury. Made him lose 3 spots in the rankings. Will he play Munich or pull out there too? He's seeded 4th and has a decent draw, with a possible Zverev-Chung rematch in the SF. To be honest, I'm just hoping he'll play this. Don't want him to miss a lot of tournaments again due to injury. Would love to seem play one of the clay m1000s and RG on full strength.
 
merwy said:
Pulled out of Barcelona due to right ankle injury. Made him lose 3 spots in the rankings. Will he play Munich or pull out there too? He's seeded 4th and has a decent draw, with a possible Zverev-Chung rematch in the SF. To be honest, I'm just hoping he'll play this. Don't want him to miss a lot of tournaments again due to injury. Would love to seem play one of the clay m1000s and RG on full strength.
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He has SF points to defend in Munich (80) but only Edmund can pass him this week with SFs or better result in Estoril. Wheels issues on clay are better left to heal so he is ready for Madrid/Rome, which he did not play last year. He could get past the MunichSF/LyonQF point haul with a good run at either or both.
 
Impressive win today and this tournament might be the first title for Chung???
Looks like injury was mild and he is ready for clay. Seems like he wore Asics and dump Nike shoes which was nothing but trouble for him hahaha
 
kimguroo said:
Impressive win today and this tournament might be the first title for Chung???
Looks like injury was mild and he is ready for clay. Seems like he wore Asics and dump Nike shoes which was nothing but trouble for him hahaha
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Ah don’t jinx it man.. he just won his first match. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Good match. Very clutch at times, for example in the last game.
 
No party except to munch on a bagel in Madrid. Hyeon is in a purple Haase.

In hindsight, going to Munich was a disaster, although he probably would have had a tough time with Goffin in 2R.
 
Hyeon Chung is playing the Aspall Tennis Classic next week. I have no idea what that tournament is but glad he's playing (is it Boodles?). Good sign for Wimbledon.
 
ghostofMecir said:
He’s not good enough on grass.

Also, he could get injured between today and tomorrow or on a moment’s notice so expect that.
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How do you know he’s not good on grass? You’ve never seen him play there:confused:

It used to be his best surface in the juniors. For some messed up reason he’s always been injured during the grass season so never was able to play an ATP tournament there
 
merwy said:
How do you know he’s not good on grass? You’ve never seen him play there:confused:

It used to be his best surface in the juniors. For some messed up reason he’s always been injured during the grass season so never was able to play an ATP tournament there
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1 reason.

OMG lol 2nd serve

He's about as pure as a HC player can get, and with his game it's likely he's better on clay than on grass.
 
The problem with these next gen/young gen is that they beat a top established player when he is injured or not in the best of form(eg. Dimitriov beating Murray in wo14, Chung beating Djokovic in Ao 17) and they stop!!! Or they dissapear . Where is the consistency???? Beating the top players once or twice is not gonna take them anywhere. Just look at Djoker , inspire of beating Nadal 26 times he lags him in slams and same case with Nadal who lags Fed despite having a positive h2h . If and only if the youngsters had atleast half of the hunger that Nadal and Djoker possessed tennis would have been much better and interesting today.
 
If Chung thinks that by beating Djokovic once , he has moved to his topmost level then he is completely wrong, That is just a starting point and there is a long long way to go. I am dam sure that he will not win a slam but will be happy if this guy proves me wrong.
 
aditya123 said:
The problem with these next gen/young gen is that they beat a top established player when he is injured or not in the best of form(eg. Dimitriov beating Murray in wo14, Chung beating Djokovic in Ao 17) and they stop!!! Or they dissapear . Where is the consistency???? Beating the top players once or twice is not gonna take them anywhere. Just look at Djoker , inspire of beating Nadal 26 times he lags him in slams and same case with Nadal who lags Fed despite having a positive h2h . If and only if the youngsters had atleast half of the hunger that Nadal and Djoker possessed tennis would have been much better and interesting today.
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Sorry but what an ignorant comment this is. JFC, it makes my brain hurt. After beating Djokovic he lost to Federer twice and to Isner who went on to win the m1000 tournament. Then he became injured. So where exactly did he show lack of consistency? Even in his injuries he remains consistent as he always misses the grass season. Inform yourself before you start bullying players.
 
merwy said:
Sorry but what an ignorant comment this is. JFC, it makes my brain hurt. After beating Djokovic he lost to Federer twice and to Isner who went on to win the m1000 tournament. Then he became injured. So where exactly did he show lack of consistency? Even in his injuries he remains consistent as he always misses the grass season. Inform yourself before you start bullying players.
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you dint get the message clearly.
 
Congrats to Chung on first match win right after coming back from injury layoff. Didn't get the chance to see the match or highlights yet. Still, a win over Fritz is a good sign bc Fritz has been in decent form lately giving Zverev a tough match at Wimbledon.

Edit: Saw the highlights. Chung played pretty well. Let's see if he can make a run.
 
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It was not bad since he was out for months.
Looks like his serving stand is changed but still not much improvement.
Probably more leg involvement might be needed???
I don’t know radar is working properly or not but serve speeds were less than before.
Look forward to see another match.
 
kimguroo said:
It was not bad since he was out for months.
Looks like his serving stand is changed but still not much improvement.
Probably more leg involvement might be needed???
I don’t know radar is working properly or not but serve speeds were less than before.
Look forward to see another match.
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Radar is garbage in Atlanta. Kept giving Kyrgios 100mph on first serve lol.

Serve looks a bit better. Brings arm to trophy position earlier, although it still seems a bit flaily.
 
Thread bumpity...he’s “back”!

Claiming he is feeling no lumbar pain, Chung returned to play yesterday at the Chengdu Challenger and won his 2R match (1R bye as #2 seed) in straight sets vs Kento Takeuchi 3&2. He broke four times, twice each set and was broken once in the first set due to 4 DFs and just 40% second serve points won.

He will play the veteran Di Wu in 3R on Thursday.
 
It took three sets but everybody Hyeon Chung tonight as he has advanced to the Chengdu Challenger QFs to face countryman Ji Sung Nam.
 
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