Everybody seems to forget another 40-15 Fedovic from past.

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
If fed retired after 2012 he retires having owned djokovic and only being 17-9 behind against nadal

but he loses a bunch of titles, including3 slams and is well out of the slam race by now, due to the inflation vacuum era of 2016- present so..
 

Hitman

Hall of Fame
If fed retired after 2012 he retires having owned djokovic and only being 17-9 behind against nadal

but he loses a bunch of titles, including3 slams and is well out of the slam race by now, due to the inflation vacuum era of 2016- present so..
The Fedal H2H was 18-10 in Nadal's favor at the end of 2012.

The difference of 8 has stayed with them since then. They split the next 12 meetings 6-6.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
The Fedal H2H was 18-10 in Nadal's favor at the end of 2012.

The difference of 8 has stayed with them since then. They split the next 12 meetings 6-6.
The big win I suppose was ao17 proving he could win at a slam vs him and regaining some pride after the beatings ( those terrible 2013-2014 losses)

the hard work undone at Wimbledon 2019... could’ve finished 1-2 slams behind both and have a claim to GOAT if he won that age 38. FFS.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
I'm still dreaming about how he had him leaning the wrong way on 40-15 but clipped the tape.
Reminds me of when England hit the bar against Germany at the World Cup which mirrored something very similar many years earlier. Some kind of a weird curse. The 40-15 curse is real. I think there might even be a 40-15 at the AO2011 SF meeting between Federer and Djokovic. I can't be bothered to check though.
 

Hitman

Hall of Fame
The big win I suppose was ao17 proving he could win at a slam vs him and regaining some pride after the beatings ( those terrible 2013-2014 losses)

the hard work undone at Wimbledon 2019... could’ve finished 1-2 slams behind both and have a claim to GOAT if he won that age 38. FFS.
Well, it is what it is, but Federer did make up for those losses around 2013 to Nadal.
 

daggerman

Rookie
If fed retired after 2012 he retires having owned djokovic and only being 17-9 behind against nadal

but he loses a bunch of titles, including3 slams and is well out of the slam race by now, due to the inflation vacuum era of 2016- present so..
"having owned" is an interesting way to characterize a 16-13 h2h where the first 4 were Federer beating a teenage Djokovic.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
As much as I love the 40-15 at Wimbledon, the 2011 USO 40-15 is the greatest moment in tennis history. Novak permanently broke Federer's confidence with one swing, and he's never recovered. I'm not sure there's been a more badass moment in sports history tbh.
both moments are some of the worst in tennis history. Made things more boring and the more attacking flair player lost.

the equivalent of chelsea beating barca and Bayern to win the 2012 champions league, bad for the sport.

Good for his 100 Serbian fanboys I guess, bad for tennis overall as a competition with interesting rivalries.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
If fed retired after 2012 he retires having owned djokovic and only being 17-9 behind against nadal

but he loses a bunch of titles, including3 slams and is well out of the slam race by now, due to the inflation vacuum era of 2016- present so..
He was ahead 16-13 at the end of 2012 and that was "owning Djokovic". Yet 9-17 against Nadal is being "only" eight wins behind.

Wat
 

NiCo515

New User
both moments are some of the worst in tennis history. Made things more boring and the more attacking flair player lost.

the equivalent of chelsea beating barca and Bayern to win the 2012 champions league, bad for the sport.

Good for his 100 Serbian fanboys I guess, bad for tennis overall as a competition with interesting rivalries.
Lol yes, blasting a cross-court winner off a 120mph serve out wide is exactly what comes to mind when I think of boring defense. Novak is always pretty aggressive when he plays Roger. That beautiful backhand down the line in the fifth set tiebreaker at Wimbledon was more ballsy than any shot Federer hit.
 

sportsfan1

Hall of Fame
As much as I love the 40-15 at Wimbledon, the 2011 USO 40-15 is the greatest moment in tennis history. Novak permanently broke Federer's confidence with one swing, and he's never recovered. I'm not sure there's been a more badass moment in sports history tbh.
I don't think it was one particular moment. Djokovic was always competing well against Federer with his stable and low ufes game, but around 2011 he had a new found mix of physical improvement, belief and calm in his game, and even more so when he was down match points. Tsonga too lost from mps against Djokovic at rg later.
Djokovics stability and court coverage is difficult to deal with for many players. I think his win over thiem at the Australian open this year was also due to this, he prolonged the match enough for thiem to start getting nervous and tired.

Now Wawrinka is a completely different beast to deal with for Djokovic at slams. He just overwhelms him with power, doesn't back down and the match is completely on Wawrinka's racquet once he hits his stride. It's too bad that we didn't get to see more of this rivalry due to Wawrinkas injuries and age at which he peaked as a top player.
 
Mental block. Just in general throughout his career on points where he just needs to go for it. This became very evident after his rant when he lost to Djokovic at USO11 saying how some guys just start going for it and it all goes in. He needs that mentality on BPs and closing points, but instead he plays safe and stubbornly. Could cost him the GOAT mantle.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
As much as I love the 40-15 at Wimbledon, the 2011 USO 40-15 is the greatest moment in tennis history. Novak permanently broke Federer's confidence with one swing, and he's never recovered. I'm not sure there's been a more badass moment in sports history tbh.
It’s always easier to remember the clean FH ROS winner at 40-15 but the next point featured a mishit ROS on a very strong jammer serve by fedr that had Joe Kovic handcuffed. Should have been GSM because fedr had a totally open court shot to drill a winner but the junk on the mishit made fedr clip the net tape and his netcord shot went wide. That was when fedr crumbled.

 

NiCo515

New User
It’s always easier to remember the clean FH ROS winner at 40-15 but the next point featured a mishit ROS on a very strong jammer serve by fedr that had Joe Kovic handcuffed. Should have been GSM because fedr had a totally open court shot to drill a winner but the junk on the mishit made fedr clip the net tape and his netcord shot went wide. That was when fedr crumbled.

I think what really makes it special is the expression on Novak's face when he goes down 40-15. There he is, down match point at 5-3, 40-15 in the 5th set, and he's essentially saying "You think you have me beat? Think again. Watch this." His odds of winning the match at this point had to have been much less than 1%, and the fact that he pulled it off—saving the first match point with one of the best return winners in recent history—is simply astonishing. I've never seen anything remotely like it.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I think what really makes it special is the expression on Novak's face when he goes down 40-15. There he is, down match point at 5-3, 40-15 in the 5th set, and he's essentially saying "You think you have me beat? Think again. Watch this." His odds of winning the match at this point had to have been much less than 1%, and the fact that he pulled it off—saving the first match point with one of the best return winners in recent history—is simply astonishing. I've never seen anything remotely like it.
NID that one shot was majestic but fedr’s response was strong on the next point with the wicked jammer serve that Joe Kovic somehow managed to get back in play with some junk that threw off the easy I/O response into the net. The two points combined changed their match dynamic for a long while. It took stubborn fedr more than a year after that to finally tweak the equipment to make him relevant on non-grass surfaces (rebounded in 2012 at Wimby with a solid 4-set win with the old stick).
 

Enceladus

Hall of Fame
both moments are some of the worst in tennis history. Made things more boring and the more attacking flair player lost.

the equivalent of chelsea beating barca and Bayern to win the 2012 champions league, bad for the sport.

Good for his 100 Serbian fanboys I guess, bad for tennis overall as a competition with interesting rivalries.
 

Tshooter

Legend
I think what really makes it special is the expression on Novak's face when he goes down 40-15. There he is, down match point at 5-3, 40-15 in the 5th set, and he's essentially saying "You think you have me beat? Think again. Watch this." His odds of winning the match at this point had to have been much less than 1%, and the fact that he pulled it off—saving the first match point with one of the best return winners in recent history—is simply astonishing. I've never seen anything remotely like it.
I was at this match but you make it sound even more exciting than it was. :giggle: Seriously, it was pretty exciting and that match point down forehand was epic.

... Joe Kovic somehow managed to get back in play with some junk that threw off the easy I/O response into the net...
He managed to get it back in play because he may be the GOAT return of serverer.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I think what really makes it special is the expression on Novak's face when he goes down 40-15. There he is, down match point at 5-3, 40-15 in the 5th set, and he's essentially saying "You think you have me beat? Think again. Watch this." His odds of winning the match at this point had to have been much less than 1%, and the fact that he pulled it off—saving the first match point with one of the best return winners in recent history—is simply astonishing. I've never seen anything remotely like it.
Lol no he isn't. He KNEW he was beat and he was pissed the crowd wanted him to be defeated so bad. He feeds off that though, credit to him.
 

NiCo515

New User
Lol no he isn't. He KNEW he was beat and he was pissed the crowd wanted him to be defeated so bad. He feeds off that though, credit to him.
Watch the faces he makes in that video. Those facial expressions aren't defeatist; they're saying "I'll show you".
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Watch the faces he makes in that video. Those facial expressions aren't defeatist; they're saying "I'll show you".
Nah they're saying "oh yall don't like me huh? **** off" stop trying to make the man cool lol, if it was 2015 u may have a point.
 
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