Everyone calm down - Murray not too special

BigForehand

Semi-Pro
He beat a bunch of nobodies through the final, almost lost to verdasco, and then out-pushed a tired nole in the final with the crowd behind him.

He won 2 slams because Fedal are on break, no other reason. He's not Djokovic2011
 

Colin

Professional
The only bright spot I can envisage here is maybe the Brits and the throng of annoying TV announcers will stop yammering on (and offering broadcast graphics) on the previous British men to win Wimbledon. (If I never hear the name Fred Perry again ...)

It's sort of sickening the sense of entitlement they had (especially Murray himself) that he should win that trophy simply because he was born in the same nation in which it's held — as if some form of tennis manifest destiny, punctuated by the Scot's howling visage at each error he made and the gluttinous cheers from the crowd for those he didn't.

This is something Fed, Rafa, Nole and the vast majority of the tour don't get the chance to enjoy/suffer. So, Wimbledon crowds, please refrain from erupting in erogenous rapture to each opponent double fault like a Rafa fan-girl when he takes his shirt off. It's classless and unbefitting a tournament of this stature. Even embracing someone so unremittingly uncouth — just watch an hour of his on-court demeanor — because of a common lineage shows the inherent malady of patriotism.

It's not that Murray didn't deserve to win here — he did though the Fed of last year would have beaten him still this year. But this tournament, Rafa was surprisingly bad after a recent stretch of good play (albeit on clay); Fed was unsurprisingly bad after a stretch of erratic play; and Nole, who was playing fine, had a bad day after a draining semifinal. He must send a bottle of Pimms to Del Potro for tiring Novak out the same epic way he did with Roger in the Olympic semis.

Of course, I'm under no delusion that this victory will sate the crazed frenzy of Britain and Murray's fans in whatever holes they may lurk. After tasting the win this year, no doubt they will hunger for more. And we'll be forced to suffer once more the incessant tabloid heads, the obnoxious crowds, the diseased-marsupial face contortions of a jubilant Judy Murray and worse from her son.
 

syc23

Professional
The only bright spot I can envisage here is maybe the Brits and the throng of annoying TV announcers will stop yammering on (and offering broadcast graphics) on the previous British men to win Wimbledon. (If I never hear the name Fred Perry again ...)

It's sort of sickening the sense of entitlement they had (especially Murray himself) that he should win that trophy simply because he was born in the same nation in which it's held — as if some form of tennis manifest destiny, punctuated by the Scot's howling visage at each error he made and the gluttinous cheers from the crowd for those he didn't.

This is something Fed, Rafa, Nole and the vast majority of the tour don't get the chance to enjoy/suffer. So, Wimbledon crowds, please refrain from erupting in erogenous rapture to each opponent double fault like a Rafa fan-girl when he takes his shirt off. It's classless and unbefitting a tournament of this stature. Even embracing someone so unremittingly uncouth — just watch an hour of his on-court demeanor — because of a common lineage shows the inherent malady of patriotism.

It's not that Murray didn't deserve to win here — he did though the Fed of last year would have beaten him still this year. But this tournament, Rafa was surprisingly bad after a recent stretch of good play (albeit on clay); Fed was unsurprisingly bad after a stretch of erratic play; and Nole, who was playing fine, had a bad day after a draining semifinal. He must send a bottle of Pimms to Del Potro for tiring Novak out the same epic way he did with Roger in the Olympic semis.

Of course, I'm under no delusion that this victory will sate the crazed frenzy of Britain and Murray's fans in whatever holes they may lurk. After tasting the win this year, no doubt they will hunger for more. And we'll be forced to suffer once more the incessant tabloid heads, the obnoxious crowds, the diseased-marsupial face contortions of a jubilant Judy Murray and worse from her son.
We get it, you don't like Murray but the bottom line is that Murray has now won the title he has targetting since day 1 (regardless that USO is his favourite slam). It doesn't matter what excuses people come up with, Murray is undoubtably been the best player in the big tournaments in the last 10 months with an Olympic Gold, USO, Wimbledon and RUP at AO.

Let me ask you this, I'm sure your mum would be cheering just as loudly and passionately if it was you who was contesting in Sunday's Wimbledon final. Unless your mum is the female version of Lendl.
 

m2nk2

Hall of Fame
He also skipped French Open and most of the clay season to focus on Wimby. Djoko played all of clay season and came to SF at the French...

Murray also had the easiest Wimby draw ever..
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Murray also had the easiest Wimby draw ever..
Untrue.

Pete Sampras, 2000:

Vanek, Kucera, Gimelstob, Bjorkman, Gambill, Voltchkov, Rafter.

Lleyton Hewitt, 2002:

Bjorkman, Carraz, Knowle, Youzhny, Schalken, Henman, Nalbandian.

And there are probably a few more.
 

swedenparty

Rookie
Untrue.

Pete Sampras, 2000:

Vanek, Kucera, Gimelstob, Bjorkman, Gambill, Voltchkov, Rafter.

Lleyton Hewitt, 2002:

Bjorkman, Carraz, Knowle, Youzhny, Schalken, Henman, Nalbandian.

And there are probably a few more.

Schalken,Kucera,Nalbandian - all better players than Murray at their prime. And don't give me the results bs. Yes, they weren't consistent, and when they were on the top of their game they would've have beaten Murray the way he played at W 13.
 

Praetorian

Professional
He beat a bunch of nobodies through the final, almost lost to verdasco, and then out-pushed a tired nole in the final with the crowd behind him.

He won 2 slams because Fedal are on break, no other reason. He's not Djokovic2011
and?? how does this diminish the fact that he IS the Wimbledon 2013? What do you want him to do, replay Wimbledon, and make sure he faces the top 7 players all the way to the final.

I'm not a Murray fan, but I'm glad that he won (and not because he's british, blah, blah, blah). He worked hard, and things fell in place for him to win, like EVERY slam winner out there.
 
Murray really did dodge a bullet not having to face Nadal or Federer at Wimbledon. I still believe Nadal if he was 100% fit and ready to go he would of knocked Murray out.

But the British got what they wanted a male Wimbledon champion at least Andy Murray came through when Tim Henman didn't have the mental toughness to come through.

I am no fan of Murray but one has to admire the mental toughness of this young man and the enormous pressure the BBC, British media, and especially the British public put on ONE PERSON.

If Andy Murray had lost to Djokovic I don't think the BBC, British media would be so kind, the first time they were supportive when he reached and lost to Federer last year in the final. However, if Andy lost to Novak on Sunday I think the British media would have destroyed him and really hurt his self confidence and esteem.



And Andy Murray takes it in stride, he doesn't complain about it the constant media attention. At least during Henman's time he had a number two guy to be his backup and not have all the pressure on him. Andy Murray doesn't have a number two guy and that's the real problem with British tennis they need to find him. The British need to find some young guy and groom him after Murray retires.
 

HRB

Hall of Fame
He beat a bunch of nobodies through the final, almost lost to verdasco, and then out-pushed a tired nole in the final with the crowd behind him.

He won 2 slams because Fedal are on break, no other reason. He's not Djokovic2011
I like Andy...not a "fanboy" but then again I don't "swoon" over any male players. That being said I'm truly intrigued by what makes someone post a thread like this?

What if he did turn out to be great? Would you feel threatened, let down, heart broken? Would you fess up that you were wrong, and eat your words, or just make up and excuse?

I root for breakthroughs, fresh faces, and intrigue...I have had my favorites, but never did I feel compelled to diss' a fresh face out of some bizarre loyalty or perceived threat to the image of a player I like?

No one is taking away Jokers 2011...it happened, and it was awesome, but why the haters?

I attribute it to hopefully these type of posters being under 18..ignorance of youth, but I fear I'm wrong.
 

MarcusInKensington

Hall of Fame
Usually trolls annoy people, but on this site you really can't help but feel sorry for them.

"almost lost to Verdasco"... but he didn't, and that is the mark of a champion.

The new era has arrived. Suck it up or call the Samaritans.
 

Chace

Hall of Fame
He beat a bunch of nobodies through the final, almost lost to verdasco, and then out-pushed a tired nole in the final with the crowd behind him.

He won 2 slams because Fedal are on break, no other reason. He's not Djokovic2011
He played the draw that was dealt to him. It's not his problem that Fed and Nadal lost early. I seriously doubt Djokovic was tired. That guy can run all day.
But just to make you happy next year Murray's draw will be much more difficult.
He will have to face prime Borg, McEnroe, Laver, Sampras, Fed, Nadal and then Djokovic in the final. Djokovic will get a bye all the way to the finals to ensure he will be well rested.
 

Incognito

Legend
He beat a bunch of nobodies through the final, almost lost to verdasco, and then out-pushed a tired nole in the final with the crowd behind him.

He won 2 slams because Fedal are on break, no other reason. He's not Djokovic2011
and what great competition did 2011 Djokovic had? a very old federer, a mentally unstable Nadal and scared of finals Murray?

A lendlized Murray is better than Novak 2.0.
 
Schalken,Kucera,Nalbandian - all better players than Murray at their prime. And don't give me the results bs. Yes, they weren't consistent, and when they were on the top of their game they would've have beaten Murray the way he played at W 13.
Schalken and Kucera better than Murray in their primes? I'm not a Murray fanatic but give me a break!
 
I'm not a Murray fan and I was cheering for Djokovic but all this whining and bi****** about Murray is starting to make me GLAD he won.

Tennis fanboys in general, regardless of their favourite player, are such whiny, childish human beings. So Bartoli and Murray won Wimbledon. Let's make a bunch of whiny threads about how ugly they are and how they didn't deserve to win because my favourite player didn't win!!

Enough is enough people.
 

tistrapukcipeht

Professional
I'm not big about Murray either, but He won, that's it, if others didn't make it, it's not his problem, if Djokovic played badly, not his problem, Murray is a tough match up for Novak anyway.
 

HRB

Hall of Fame
I'm not a Murray fan and I was cheering for Djokovic but all this whining and bi****** about Murray is starting to make me GLAD he won.

Tennis fanboys in general, regardless of their favourite player, are such whiny, childish human beings. So Bartoli and Murray won Wimbledon. Let's make a bunch of whiny threads about how ugly they are and how they didn't deserve to win because my favourite player didn't win!!

Enough is enough people.
THIS!!!!! AWESOME!
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
The only bright spot I can envisage here is maybe the Brits and the throng of annoying TV announcers will stop yammering on (and offering broadcast graphics) on the previous British men to win Wimbledon. (If I never hear the name Fred Perry again ...)

It's sort of sickening the sense of entitlement they had (especially Murray himself) that he should win that trophy simply because he was born in the same nation in which it's held — as if some form of tennis manifest destiny, punctuated by the Scot's howling visage at each error he made and the gluttinous cheers from the crowd for those he didn't.

This is something Fed, Rafa, Nole and the vast majority of the tour don't get the chance to enjoy/suffer. So, Wimbledon crowds, please refrain from erupting in erogenous rapture to each opponent double fault like a Rafa fan-girl when he takes his shirt off. It's classless and unbefitting a tournament of this stature. Even embracing someone so unremittingly uncouth — just watch an hour of his on-court demeanor — because of a common lineage shows the inherent malady of patriotism.

It's not that Murray didn't deserve to win here — he did though the Fed of last year would have beaten him still this year. But this tournament, Rafa was surprisingly bad after a recent stretch of good play (albeit on clay); Fed was unsurprisingly bad after a stretch of erratic play; and Nole, who was playing fine, had a bad day after a draining semifinal. He must send a bottle of Pimms to Del Potro for tiring Novak out the same epic way he did with Roger in the Olympic semis.

Of course, I'm under no delusion that this victory will sate the crazed frenzy of Britain and Murray's fans in whatever holes they may lurk. After tasting the win this year, no doubt they will hunger for more. And we'll be forced to suffer once more the incessant tabloid heads, the obnoxious crowds, the diseased-marsupial face contortions of a jubilant Judy Murray and worse from her son.
Post of the month, Sir.
 

SQA333

Hall of Fame
Murray is this era's Hewitt. 1 US, 1 Wimbledon won through an easy draw. That's it.

Except he won't rank #1 because the other top 4 guys aren't mugs, like they were in Hewitt's era. :lol:
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
Murray is this era's Hewitt. 1 US, 1 Wimbledon won through an easy draw. That's it.

Except he won't rank #1 because the other top 4 guys aren't mugs, like they were in Hewitt's era. :lol:
Pardon me, didn't those mugs (Marat & A-rod) score wins over the new gen in the slams from 2008-2009. Even Hewitt beat Monfils.
 

gregor.b

Professional
I like Andy...not a "fanboy" but then again I don't "swoon" over any male players. That being said I'm truly intrigued by what makes someone post a thread like this?

What if he did turn out to be great? Would you feel threatened, let down, heart broken? Would you fess up that you were wrong, and eat your words, or just make up and excuse?

I root for breakthroughs, fresh faces, and intrigue...I have had my favorites, but never did I feel compelled to diss' a fresh face out of some bizarre loyalty or perceived threat to the image of a player I like?

No one is taking away Jokers 2011...it happened, and it was awesome, but why the haters?

I attribute it to hopefully these type of posters being under 18..ignorance of youth, but I fear I'm wrong.
Probably under 18. In IQ at least.
 
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monfed

Guest
He beat a bunch of nobodies through the final, almost lost to verdasco, and then out-pushed a tired nole in the final with the crowd behind him.

He won 2 slams because Fedal are on break, no other reason. He's not Djokovic2011
I doubt Fed would've beaten Murray had he made it past Ralph, though I think Ralph on green clay could've taken out Murray in 4 maybe 5.

While I don't think Murray deserved to win Wimby 2013 after playing a jaded Novak who lets not forget went to 9-7 in the fifth in the RG which probably took a lot out of him ,not just the DelPo match.

I don't know if you guys noticed but almost every Murray's mishit was landing on the baseline in the final, I lost count how many times that happened. I quite like when Murray plays aggressive tennis(which is a rarity) but pushers should never win Wimby(take that garbage to RG/AO), I mean seriously tennis is in the dumps right now.

WAKE UP ATP! SPEED UP THE COURTS!!
 
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cork_screw

Hall of Fame
I think the biggest thing people need to understand is that during any of Murray's runs he has never encountered Nadal. Nadal is Murray's achilies heel. Murray cannot and will not get passed him if he encounters him in the draw. Never say never, but I feel strongly that Murray does not match up well with Nadal's style. Murray seems to play fine against Nole and Roger, but Nadal is the log in the road that Murray cannot pass. Until he does, I don't feel any right giving him any accolades just yet.
 
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monfed

Guest
I think the biggest thing people need to understand is that during any of Murray's runs he has never encountered Nadal. Nadal is Murray's achilies heel. Murray cannot and will not get passed him if he encounters him in the draw. Never say never, but I feel strongly that Murray does not match up well with Nadal's style. Murray seems to play fine against Nole and Roger, but Nadal is the log in the road that Murray cannot pass. Until he does, I don't feel any right giving him any accolades just yet.
Baby Murray handing Peak Ralph a beatdown at the USO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INUnajp6e8c



Though I get what you're saying at Wimby, but its important to note that Ralph hasn't played Murray 2.0 yet. Remember Murray doesn't fold anymore and if he gets in the lead against Ralph at Wimby/AO/USO , I think he'll cross the finish line.
 

Terry Tibbs

Professional
Schalken,Kucera,Nalbandian - all better players than Murray at their prime. And don't give me the results bs. Yes, they weren't consistent, and when they were on the top of their game they would've have beaten Murray the way he played at W 13.
Schalken, Kucera and nalbandian all better than Murray in their prime? Quite simply the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
I think the biggest thing people need to understand is that during any of Murray's runs he has never encountered Nadal. Nadal is Murray's achilies heel. Murray cannot and will not get passed him if he encounters him in the draw. Never say never, but I feel strongly that Murray does not match up well with Nadal's style. Murray seems to play fine against Nole and Roger, but Nadal is the log in the road that Murray cannot pass. Until he does, I don't feel any right giving him any accolades just yet.
Murray has beaten Rafa in slams the same number of times as Roger. Since entering the top 5 by winning his first masters series in summer 2008, Murray is 5-3 on hardcourts versus Rafa, 2-1 in hardcourt slams. The last set they played, Murray won for the loss of just four points.

I agree that beating Rafa is the final test of Lendlised Murray, but please spare us the hyperbole about how Rafa cannot lose to him.
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Schalken,Kucera,Nalbandian - all better players than Murray at their prime. And don't give me the results bs. Yes, they weren't consistent, and when they were on the top of their game they would've have beaten Murray the way he played at W 13.
Oh lordy! Yet another Murray-hater who thinks he must be a bad player just because he dislikes him! :rolleyes:

When those aforemantioned players were in their prime, Murray was just a baby, so they probably would have beaten him a few times. But there's no way they would beat Murray in HIS prime. Dream on!

Of those 3, Murray only ever played Nalbandian. He is 5-2 against him. He lost to him the first 2 times when he was still young, 2007-8, but never lost to him again after 2008!
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
While I don't think Murray deserved to win Wimby 2013 after playing a jaded Novak who lets not forget went to 9-7 in the fifth in the RG which probably took a lot out of him ,not just the DelPo match.
Are you serious? This is Djokovic 2.0, super-Djokovic no less, who is the most resilient and energetic player on tour! Have you forgotten already how he played a 5 hour semi-final against Murray at 2012 AO and then came back and won a 6 hour final against Nadal, 2 days later? So what could possibly be the problem with a mere 4 hour semi against Del Potro? And how jaded was Murray allowed to be when he played a 4 hour semi against Federer at this year's AO and still almost took 2 sets off Djokovic in the final? Funny how nobody thought Djokovic's win was in any way tainted by having to play a jaded Murray! The double standards that are applied to Murray on here are absolutely breathtaking in their brazen effrontery!

I don't know if you guys noticed but almost every Murray's mishit was landing on the baseline in the final, I lost count how many times that happened. I quite like when Murray plays aggressive tennis(which is a rarity) but pushers should never win Wimby(take that garbage to RG/AO), I mean seriously tennis is in the dumps right now.
Oh lol... spare me. I have never heard such rubbish. If I had a penny for every time I've seen Djokovic just manage to hit the lines, I'd probably be richer than he is by now (remember those match points he faced against Federer at 2011 USO)? Yet another example of double-standards being applied. It's OK when Djokovic does it, an example of his miraculous shot-making blah blah but when It comes to Murray, it shows that he is just a lucky so-and-so and, that perennially favourite old chestnut, a 'pusher'!

Get real and try and be objective and stop trying to apply double-standards. Murray is as worthy a winner of Wimbledon as any previous winner. He beat the world #1 in the final in order to do it which is more than can be said for many previous winners! Live with it!
 
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Scorch

Rookie
The only bright spot I can envisage here is maybe the Brits and the throng of annoying TV announcers will stop yammering on (and offering broadcast graphics) on the previous British men to win Wimbledon. (If I never hear the name Fred Perry again ...)

It's sort of sickening the sense of entitlement they had (especially Murray himself) that he should win that trophy simply because he was born in the same nation in which it's held — as if some form of tennis manifest destiny, punctuated by the Scot's howling visage at each error he made and the gluttinous cheers from the crowd for those he didn't.

This is something Fed, Rafa, Nole and the vast majority of the tour don't get the chance to enjoy/suffer. So, Wimbledon crowds, please refrain from erupting in erogenous rapture to each opponent double fault like a Rafa fan-girl when he takes his shirt off. It's classless and unbefitting a tournament of this stature. Even embracing someone so unremittingly uncouth — just watch an hour of his on-court demeanor — because of a common lineage shows the inherent malady of patriotism.

It's not that Murray didn't deserve to win here — he did though the Fed of last year would have beaten him still this year. But this tournament, Rafa was surprisingly bad after a recent stretch of good play (albeit on clay); Fed was unsurprisingly bad after a stretch of erratic play; and Nole, who was playing fine, had a bad day after a draining semifinal. He must send a bottle of Pimms to Del Potro for tiring Novak out the same epic way he did with Roger in the Olympic semis.

Of course, I'm under no delusion that this victory will sate the crazed frenzy of Britain and Murray's fans in whatever holes they may lurk. After tasting the win this year, no doubt they will hunger for more. And we'll be forced to suffer once more the incessant tabloid heads, the obnoxious crowds, the diseased-marsupial face contortions of a jubilant Judy Murray and worse from her son.
What a nasty piece of work.
 

Morj

Semi-Pro
and what great competition did 2011 Djokovic had? a very old federer, a mentally unstable Nadal and scared of finals Murray?

A lendlized Murray is better than Novak 2.0.
Is this a joke?!? First off, Djokovic is no longer at his 2011 level so dont compare current Murray to '11 Djoko. Murray's won 2 slams in separate years, so dont even begin to compare his level to Djoko's insane 2011.

2nd, Djokovic's 2011 is considered to be such an incredible year primarily because of who he had to beat throughout the year. You can call Federer "old" but he was only 29... sure he was no longer at his very peak but still ranked in the top 3; he had just won a slam in 2010, and won another in 2012 so clearly he wasn't some washed-up loser in 2011. He was the GOAT playing a few years past his prime, but still clearly at a very high level.

3rd, mentally unstable Nadal?? Nadal just came off the best season of his career in 2010, and he got to more finals in 2011 than in 2010! Statistics don't lie, if not for Novak, then 2011 would have been the best year of Nadal's career, its just that he ran into Djoko in every final. If Nadal seemed mentally unstable, maybe its because Novak beat him 6 times in a row in a single year?

4th, so its Djoko's fault Murray's scared of finals? How does this prove that Murray's better than djokovic...
 

Bryan Swartz

Hall of Fame
People -- none of you has a time machine.

None of us knows how 2013 Murray would fare against 2011 Djokovic or Agassi or prime Hewitt or subprime Chang or any other such construction.

As you say but ...

NO. YOU DON'T KNOW.

Neither do I. Appreciate the players for what they do when they do it. The era comparisons are useless. Quit trying to screw in the unscrutable, for the love of it.
 

MCallanan

Semi-Pro
I am not going to take too much time debating how good Andy Murray is. In the last year the man has made the finals of the last four grand slams he has participated in winning two of them. He has also won two important 250 tournaments and the Miami Masters. The cherry on the top of it all was winning gold at the Olympics. During that run he has beaten everyone in the top ten with exception to Del Potro and Nadal; including two victories over Federer and three victories over Djokovic (three of those five victories were in straight sets).

It is your right to question Andy Murray and his abilities. Just realize that the facts above demonstrate that you're grasping at straws by doing so.

Now lets get down to Novak Djokovic being tired as the reason Murray won Wimbledon. Going into the final Murray had played for a longer period of time than Djokovic had. Furthermore, Murray had played more combined sets in the quarterfinals and semifinals than Djokovic. There's no doubting that Djokovic was in a four hour battle with Del Potro in the semifinals. Having said that, Novak Djokovic has made a career off of being able to rebound from matches like that and showing super human endurance to do so; people have pointed to the 2012 ASO but don't forget about the Wawrinka marathon from this years ASO.

The main reason he lost to Murray in the Wimbledon final was because his serve was ineffective from the first game of the first set until his last service game of the final set. So this man who has outlasted everyone on tour with unreal super human endurance (God mode as some have labeled it) is suddenly so tired after a four hour match; close to 48 hours prior to the final - that he can't even effectively serve in the first game of the match?

I'm not buying it. And if you are buying that then one would have say that in a day in age where everyone is talking about tennis having a performance enhancing drug problem that this abrupt change in Novak Djokovic's endurance is if nothing else suspicious. Further illustrated by the fact that he came into Wimbledon noticeably slimmer and almost gaunt by Djokovic standards.

And don't give me the crap about him being tired from the clay court season. The man vacationed on the beaches for a week following Roland Garros which to the average man might not seem like a lot but given the grind of a tennis season is certainly plenty enough time for a man of super human endurance to regain his footing.

At the end of the day Djokovic is 0-2 on grass against Andy Murray. He's yet to win a set and hasn't even pushed a set to a tie break. In my opinion, Andy Murray is the better grass court player and at the end of the day this is why he beat Djokovic in the Wimbledon final.
 

Anti-Fedal

Professional
Of course Murray is nothing special. He only won his slams through assistance from a hurricane, Novak being fatigued and not having to play Fedal.
 
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