Exactly 10 years ago Federer was publicly struggling to accept Djokovic defeat. How do you see it now?

T007

Professional
Federer was so arrogant from 2009-12, lol.

As a kid who was his fan at this point, this turned me off him a fair bit tbh. The return only made it 30-40 5-3 and you still lost.

With hindsight this is now my favorite interview of all time, the pure salt and entitlement radiating through his words was undeniably genuine. Everything the Big 3 now do and say is so hopelessly sanitized that glimpses of their real views on life are few and far between.
Not saltier than all injury excuses from djoker when he lost or quit midway when he was being outplayed by his distant rivals.
 
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Deleted member 771911

Guest
I don't know why we look to the players to praise each other, etc.
They are professional competitors.
It is the job of the media and role of fans and spectators to give the plaudits.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Federer won 3 Wimbledons after 25: 2009, 2012 and 2017.
Yes... Federer actually turned 25 before 06 wimbledon, so thats 5 after 25, 06 07 09 12 17

but what I meant was nadal turned 25 in 2011 and since then nadal 0 while fed 2 and also made 3 more finals, nadal is nowhere in picture on grass
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Maan, i totally forgot about this quote. Lol
The thing about him was that he was so damn shady but he would say it in the most nonchalant way like it was 2nd nature to him. :laughing: This is how you know everybody liked him because they gave him a pass for stuff like this.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes... Federer actually turned 25 before 06 wimbledon, so thats 5 after 25, 06 07 09 12 17

but what I meant was nadal turned 25 in 2011 and since then nadal 0 while fed 2 and also made 3 more finals, nadal is nowhere in picture on grass
He turned 25 after 2006 Wimbledon and was still 25 at 2007 Wimbledon. You said after 25 though.
 

T007

Professional
From the top of my head, Dubai 2008 after loosing to Sir Murray he gave "one of these". I remember him criticizing Andy for being too defensive and even saying he will not get far by playing that way although he lost the match. When they told Andy what was said, he said "well, I've won, haven't I ? So it's enough I guess to beat him ( my game )" which was iconic. Roger teaching lessons when he lost. I do remember that he won the USO final vs Andy and racked up several losses in a row after that ( four or five ) and each time Andy was sort of mentioning THE dubai interview.

I will mention another one, after his win over Delpo in AO 2009, he gave an interview and he was asked about Djokovic retiring due to heatstroke. So first he said "it's a surprise to see a defending champ go out in that fashion" but when asked not to be diplomatic, he said "I mean it's happened before" and I remember thinking at the time - he's going to say other players had issues as well ( and we know that many players have issues ) but he then basically said that Djokovic is a quitter.

Can't find the Dubai one, it's a though ask but here's the other one.


PS - I remember at least 15 or 20 occasions where he did similar things.
He was damn true about Andy...after 10 years in 2017 before that hip injury still murray won only 3 slams.

I have seen even worst from djoker where he always brings an injury excuse when he gets beaten badly.

Most recent example in 2019 USO 4th round
 

T007

Professional
What makes me laugh is that some Federer detractors who never played Pro tennis in their life are lecturing about how one should react in press.

It is his best attitude on and off court has earned him global adulation and the status of crowd favourite whereever he goes against any opponent.

May be the 2 cent trolls must see press conference of their idols after losing a tough 5 set match.

We saw how djoker reacted after this olympics where he was at the same status as Federer was 10 years ago in USO.
 

upchuck

Hall of Fame
Another reason this was so bad is Djokovic didn't win the match when he hit that shot. He still had to break Federer's serve, still had to hold serve and still had to break Federer again to get the victory. This was a key point, but there were many other important points that Djokovic earned to secure this victory and Federer ungraciously ignored this.

A good example of why there has been such tension between supporters of the two, and perhaps the two men themselves, over the years.
 

Thetouch

Professional
"How can you play a shot like that on match point?"

This sentence has always confused me. What are you supposed to do when returning a serve at 120 mp/h anyway? I think Roger was a bit out of it when he did that pc, probably still angry about the loss.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Federer blew atleast 10 matches against Djokovic and Nadal he could have won, crucial matches, most of them.

How many matches did Djokovic and Nadal clearly blew against Federer? I can't remember a single one lol.
 
"How can you play a shot like that on match point?"

This sentence has always confused me. What are you supposed to do when returning a serve at 120 mp/h anyway? I think Roger was a bit out of it when he did that pc, probably still angry about the loss.
It is almost like he was saying "How dare he not lose when I have the match point...". Perhaps he was expecting Novak just to roll over and call it a match. Who knows.
 

The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
"How can you play a shot like that on match point?"

This sentence has always confused me. What are you supposed to do when returning a serve at 120 mp/h anyway? I think Roger was a bit out of it when he did that pc, probably still angry about the loss.
Roger was most definitely angry and bitter in that presser and comments "analysis" reflected that. He lasered in on Djokovic hitting a very risky return because for Federer it was the turning point. Wasn't quite ready to accept that the blame was very much on him for losing the plot just because he didn't expect a winner like that and the crowd's reaction to it, maybe.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
What makes me laugh is that some Federer detractors who never played Pro tennis in their life are lecturing about how one should react in press.

It is his best attitude on and off court has earned him global adulation and the status of crowd favourite whereever he goes against any opponent.

May be the 2 cent trolls must see press conference of their idols after losing a tough 5 set match.

We saw how djoker reacted after this olympics where he was at the same status as Federer was 10 years ago in USO.
What does having played pro tennis got to do with having an opinion on a player's behaviour off the court?

Humility in victory and graciousness in defeat are human values. Everyone has had to face challenges in life. Behaving in a decent manner is unrelated to tennis.
 

threehandedbackhand

Hall of Fame
How many matches did Djokovic and Nadal clearly blew against Federer? I can't remember a single one lol.
Maybe USO 2007 final?

Djokovic vs Federer, 1st set
Djokovic was *6-5 40-0 up
wasted five SPs on his own serve
Federer won it 7-6(4)

from 32:30 in this video:
Federer survived with:
1st SP (at 40-0) - amazing FH into the line from Federer (32:57)
2st SP (at 40-15) - BH UE from Djokovic
3rd SP (at 40-30) - another BH UE from Djokovic
4th SP (at A-40) - FH UE from Djokovic
5th SP (at A-40) - great FH return into the corner from Federer (36:37)
 

Tennisfan339

Professional
Agree or disagree with Federer's analysis, that 40-15 return certainly had a huge percentage of luck. A lot of talent but also a lot of luck. Even Djokovic himself admitted it in his post match interview. He closed his eyes, hit this return as hard as he could and knew it was pretty much 50/50. Either it's out and he loses or it's in and he still has a chance to come back. It was like gambling and he won.

Ok Federer sounds salty in this press conference but everyone would be completely shattered after such a nightmarish ending. I cant judge him for that.

10 years later we can only conclude this match was Another big turning point for the Big3 and their career. If Federer beats Djokovic, Nadal's chances to win USO2011 increases a lot, so do his chances to win AO2012. The slam race may be 23/21/16 instead of 20/20/20.
 
Agree or disagree with Federer's analysis, that 40-15 return certainly had a huge percentage of luck. A lot of talent but also a lot of luck. Even Djokovic himself admitted it in his post match interview. He closed his eyes, hit this return as hard as he could and knew it was pretty much 50/50. Either it's out and he loses or it's in and he still has a chance to come back. It was like gambling and he won.

Ok Federer sounds salty in this press conference but everyone would be completely shattered after such a nightmarish ending. I cant judge him for that.

10 years later we can only conclude this match was Another big turning point for the Big3 and their career. If Federer beats Djokovic, Nadal's chances to win USO2011 increases a lot, so do his chances to win AO2012. The slam race may be 23/21/16 instead of 20/20/20.
I totally agree, we tend to forget sometimes that they are human too. If that were me the first words out of my mouth at that presser would be "what the f*ck just happened"
 

wang07

Semi-Pro
On Federer's terms this interview is a massive outlier, on a broader scale, nothing outrageous. Things way worse have been said before and since, and even most of those cases are passable "in the heat of the moment". Even as a fan of Fed's it was agonizing to see that he had the game to beat Djoker at his ridiculous peak 2 times at a Slam that year, but somehow collapsed mentally and couldn't get past the finish line. Put yourself in his position and you'll realize this interview could have been way uglier than it actually came to be.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
How many matches did Djokovic and Nadal clearly blew against Federer? I can't remember a single one lol.
@FiReFTW

I can:

1. 2005 Miami-- Rafa up two sets to love and a break in the third, ends up getting a breadstick in the fifth set
2. 2017 AO- Rafa up a break in the fifth set and 30-15 on his serve, only to lose the set 3-6 and losing the final 5 games of the match

However, against Djokovic, there are no such matches.
 
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NatF

Bionic Poster
Ya'll need to get over this interview, Fed was salty after a tough loss and didn't hide it. So what lol. Also Fed was on the money with his comments about Murray, look what he did to him in slam finals...
 

daddy

Legend
He was damn true about Andy...after 10 years in 2017 before that hip injury still murray won only 3 slams.

I have seen even worst from djoker where he always brings an injury excuse when he gets beaten badly.

Most recent example in 2019 USO 4th round

Being a multi slam winner, world #1 and a double olympic gold medalist is a success in my book, I don't know how much have you achieved in your profession but I would love to be #1 in the world at something. So only three were enough for him to become Sir Andy Murray while the likes of you can only dream of anything such. Anyways, having Roger, Rafa and Novak as competition cost a whole bunch of players a lot, Andy made use of his time and chances and he racked up no less then 11 ( eleven ) wins over Roger who criticized him. It's not like Roger had a 17-0 Vitas Gerulaitis situation which put him in position to boss someone around.
 

daddy

Legend
So you came up with 1 example of him being a sore loser after a loss.

With 11 USO that makes 2.

It's not my job to do your homework mate, dig around, search the web, read articles, learn, you'll find out these two ( three ) occasions are just a few of many.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Ya'll need to get over this interview, Fed was salty after a tough loss and didn't hide it. So what lol. Also Fed was on the money with his comments about Murray, look what he did to him in slam finals...
Unfortunately Fraud couldn't predict the weather 4 years in advance, Delpotro making everyone tired, Drunkovic, and Raomug.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Does 2016 Tsonga win Wimbledon in 2021? That's the big question here.
Definitely way better than Berr, but 2016 Tsonga probably not inspired enough to beat Joe anyways. Already was halfway out the door anyways, not sure he still had it in him to buckle down and win a big B05 match.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Definitely way better than Berr, but 2016 Tsonga probably not inspired enough to beat Joe anyways. Already was halfway out the door anyways, not sure he still had it in him to buckle down and win a big B05 match.
Was being a bit facetious, he played well from behind but don't he could outlast Djokovic or had the mental strength to finish him. Better Berr though agreed.
 

Patogen

Rookie
So you came up with 1 example of him being a sore loser after a loss.

With 11 USO that makes 2.
After his loss to Tomas Berdych in the quarterfinals at Wimbledon, Federer complained in a news conference that he was being bothered by leg and back problems.

"I am struggling with a little bit of a back and a leg issue," said Federer, also adding that it, "just doesn't quite allow me to play the way I would like to play."

Federer was never observed to be flexing his back or leg during the match and never once called the trainer to have these areas looked at. He also never mentioned any injuries before the tournament began.

Federer added that he "gave away this match."


This is in contrast to his loss to Soderling in the same round at the French Open, when he said that the latter played brilliantly to beat him. But Federer did blame the damp weather conditions in Paris, saying they favored the big hitting Swede.

Roger Federer is no stranger to making excuses to cover losses to his rivals.

Months after losing to Novak Djokovic at the Australian Open in 2008, he said he was ill throughout the match.

After losing to Nadal at Wimbledon in the same year, he blamed the lack of light that occurred towards the end of that match.

After losing to the same player at last year's Australian Open, he said the better player does not necessarily win a five-set match, with the last set being all about momentum.

Federer blamed the wind for another loss to Djokovic in Miami in 2009, never once mentioning this player's achievement.

As he loses more and more matches, one character flaw is becoming apparent: Federer is a sore loser.

He seems gracious when he leaves the court after a defeat. But when interviewed afterwards, he rarely praises his opponent's game, rather laying blame on certain factors like the weather or a physical disability.

Federer's interview after his loss to Berdych, however, was in a league of its own. It certainly surpasses all other news conferences in which he has engaged, with regards to the sheer number of excuses dished out by the Swiss.

Several times in the interview, he mentioned that he was struggling during the match. When asked to explain his losses to some of the tour's bigger hitters, he said, "if I'm healthy I can handle those guys." He mentioned a stiff back and a sore leg.


In fact, Federer mentioned everything but the fact that his opponent was simply better on that day.

Berdych played brilliant, attacking tennis, hitting crisp, clean winners at every opportunity. Most importantly, he held his nerve when serving for the match when it seemed he might be broken.

Federer, similarly, played the brand of tennis in the first two sets that won him his previous couple of matches with ease, punctuating his win of the second set with two loud "COME ONs".

Berdych was just too strong from that point on.

Perhaps Federer should be reminded of the words of the great Australian tennis player, Roy Emerson.

"If you're hurt don't play. If you play you're not hurt. There are no excuses."
from https://bleacherreport.com/articles/413685-federer-piles-on-the-excuses-after-wimbledon-loss

Right before Fed became a sacred cow.
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
@FiReFTW

I can:

1. 2005 Miami-- Rafa up two sets to love and a break in the third, ends up getting a breadstick in the fifth set
2. 2017 AO- Rafa up a break in the fifth set and 30-15 on his serve, only to lose the set 3-6 and losing the final 5 games of the match

However, against Djokovic, there are no such matches.
Djokovic has only made his job harder by dropping a set or 2 late in a match like AO 2012 and USO 2011 Finals! :sneaky:
 

T007

Professional
Being a multi slam winner, world #1 and a double olympic gold medalist is a success in my book, I don't know how much have you achieved in your profession but I would love to be #1 in the world at something. So only three were enough for him to become Sir Andy Murray while the likes of you can only dream of anything such. Anyways, having Roger, Rafa and Novak as competition cost a whole bunch of players a lot, Andy made use of his time and chances and he racked up no less then 11 ( eleven ) wins over Roger who criticized him. It's not like Roger had a 17-0 Vitas Gerulaitis situation which put him in position to boss someone around.
11 wins and only 1 in slam.....Federers post 35 has 3 slams which is equivalent to Andys number in whole career. Had Andy been more agressive at big points those number could have been above 5.

I hope you too never achieved anything signifocant in your life except finding out loopholes in a 20 slam champ. Iam not surprised cos you are not alone who does that here on TTW.
 

T007

Professional
What does having played pro tennis got to do with having an opinion on a player's behaviour off the court?

Humility in victory and graciousness in defeat are human values. Everyone has had to face challenges in life. Behaving in a decent manner is unrelated to tennis.
Ohh Iam witnessing your gracious troll posts about Federer since ages. It doesn't suits you to give a lecture on humility and graciousness.

Behaving in a decent manner..
you mean abusing the crowd using slangs throwing rackets...
shouting at ball girls/boys.
After all quitting when he down by using an nonexistant injury.
Taking long toilet breaks and unwarranted MTOs to disrupt the rythm of opponents

I mean roger can't do that. Already a familar face is master at that
 

joekapa

Legend
Exactly.

Plus memories never lie, stats are just supplementary.

Anyone who watched Tennis in last 30 years remember 90s to be the era of Sampras, 00s to be the era of Federer and 2010s to be the Big 3 era where Novak has been ahead ......Nadal is just clay.

So Novak if he becomes GOAT then he will be by dethroning Federer.

Nadal never was the GOAT and never will be, he is just the king of his clay kingdom.
Nope. Djoko 1st (already), Rafa 2nd, Fed 3rd.

H2H, and the fact that he never beat either on their favorite surfaces/courts matter.

RG 2021 made Novak the undisputed GOAT.

The bad thing, for Rafa, is that he allowed this whole "Fedal" thing to get out of hand, and invthe brains of tennis fans is mentioned always in the same sentence with Federer.....
All the while Djokovic was gunning for him.

Rafa should of been standing on top of his own mountain, in terms of legacy.

Fed's publicists were masterminds. They understood the that "You keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"......

Poor Rafa.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Nope. Djoko 1st (already), Rafa 2nd, Fed 3rd.

H2H, and the fact that he never beat either on their favorite surfaces/courts matter.

RG 2021 made Novak the undisputed GOAT.

The bad thing, for Rafa, is that he allowed this whole "Fedal" thing to get out of hand, and invthe brains of tennis fans is mentioned always in the same sentence with Federer.....
All the while Djokovic was gunning for him.


Rafa should of been standing on top of his own mountain, in terms of legacy.

Fed's publicists were masterminds. They understood the that "You keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"......

Poor Rafa.
Rafa could never have marketed himself without leaching onto Federer.

Being the alpha always means being favorite in 2 or 3 out of 4 slams, something which which Rafa never was.

Rafa despite his good run could never defend any title outside clay. That is why even in the year 2010 Federer was sitting on the throne of Tennis because who ws the fav to win wimbledon ? it was Roger .... who was the fav to win USO? it was still Federer.... who was the fav to win AO ? ... It was still Federer .... So Federer after the 2010AO was still the fav in 3 out of 4 slams and this never stopped, even at the time of FO2009 if you would as who was the favorite outside clay then this would be the answer.

This changed for the first time in 2010 when Federer in collapsed in 3 straight slams and Rafa won all 3.

Tennis world now needed a new fav to win year round, it was not Rafa who stepped up, the year 2011 should have seen Rafa defend all slams and he would have dethroned Federer to that alpha status but Novak arrived and spanked Rafa hard, then Novak took the top spot and held it for some years, established his dominance slowly and slowly, had some rough years afgter 2011 but established it firmly from 2014 wimbledon onwards.

So Rafa never could market himself independently without Federer because Fed's successor Novak arrived in 2011 with the dominance required to dominance the next decade in tennis.
 

joekapa

Legend
Rafa could never have marketed himself without leaching onto Federer.

Being the alpha always means being favorite in 2 or 3 out of 4 slams, something which which Rafa never was.

Rafa despite his good run could never defend any title outside clay. That is why even in the year 2010 Federer was sitting on the throne of Tennis because who ws the fav to win wimbledon ? it was Roger .... who was the fav to win USO? it was still Federer.... who was the fav to win AO ? ... It was still Federer .... So Federer after the 2010AO was still the fav in 3 out of 4 slams and this never stopped, even at the time of FO2009 if you would as who was the favorite outside clay then this would be the answer.

This changed for the first time in 2010 when Federer in collapsed in 3 straight slams and Rafa won all 3.

Tennis world now needed a new fav to win year round, it was not Rafa who stepped up, the year 2011 should have seen Rafa defend all slams and he would have dethroned Federer to that alpha status but Novak arrived and spanked Rafa hard, then Novak took the top spot and held it for some years, established his dominance slowly and slowly, had some rough years afgter 2011 but established it firmly from 2014 wimbledon onwards.

So Rafa never could market himself independently without Federer because Fed's successor Novak arrived in 2011 with the dominance required to dominance the next decade in tennis.
Federer saw that he had no rivals, until Nadal showed up....And people knew this. They were talking about a weak era, even back then.

He needed a rival....like all tennis legends have had.

They marketed it as Fedal.....And it worked.....until Djokovic showed up.

And unfortunately Nadal fell for it hook line and sinker. His real rival was ALWAYS Novak....And that's where he should of concentrated on. He did obviously.....But it's now too late.

But Federer plays third fiddle in this era....make no mistake...
 

daddy

Legend
11 wins and only 1 in slam.....Federers post 35 has 3 slams which is equivalent to Andys number in whole career. Had Andy been more agressive at big points those number could have been above 5.

I hope you too never achieved anything signifocant in your life except finding out loopholes in a 20 slam champ. Iam not surprised cos you are not alone who does that here on TTW.

First of all, I wasn't comparing them or questioning if Federer was a better player ( he obviously is ), nor was I denying him his ATG status, so much about that. As for the 2nd part of your reply which is directed to myself, I stand by what I wrote before which provoked you to do a ad hominem - you should be more appreciative about Andy's achievements. We can go back and forth about this but you know you have never done anything remotely close in any area to what he did in tennis, 99.9% of people never did.
 

BGod

Legend
That USO chokejob which I still rate #1 all time was when I seriously began to think Novak could end up better.

Depending on how far ahead Novak finishes this might lose reference over time but I'll remember.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Federer saw that he had no rivals, until Nadal showed up....And people knew this. They were talking about a weak era, even back then.

He needed a rival....like all tennis legends have had.

They marketed it as Fedal.....And it worked.....until Djokovic showed up.

And unfortunately Nadal fell for it hook line and sinker. His real rival was ALWAYS Novak....And that's where he should of concentrated on. He did obviously.....But it's now too late.

But Federer plays third fiddle in this era....make no mistake...
Why will Federer need a rival ???
He actually downplayed these sort of rivalries until Nadal actual became a pain in the buttocks.
Nadal was the parasite who needed Fedal rivalry more than Federer.

Plus who told you he did not focus on Novak? He focused a lot and got spanked black and blue by Novak in 2011.

Novak has been downplayed by the media and Fedal has been in news, Nadal benefitted from this instead of Federer
 

socallefty

Legend
Part of why I never became a Federer fan even though I loved his tennis style and watching him play is the arrogance he exhibited in interviews when talking about other players or his own level during his peak years before 2010. I think Federer should be thankful for Djokovic appearing in his life as he has made Federer a better man and human being by beating all the arrogance out of him over the years thereby making him a much more gracious loser. He will be a better role model for his kids as a result as otherwise his parenting might have brought up a bunch of arrogant, spoilt brats. He seems to be a nicer person in the last decade and maybe being a father has mellowed him out also.
 
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ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
Part of why I never became a Federer fan even though I loved his tennis style and watching him play is the arrogance he exhibited in interviews when talking about other players or his own level during his peak years before 2010. I think Federer should be thankful for Djokovic appearing in his life as he has made Federer a better man and human being by beating all the arrogance out of him over the years thereby making him a much more gracious loser. He will be a better role model for his kids as a result as otherwise his parenting might have brought up a bunch of arrogant, spoilt brats. He seems to be a nicer person in the last decade and maybe being a father has mellowed him out also.
If anything, Fed has changed as a person because he got older and consecuently more mature, it's normal :D
 
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