Examples of top players sacrificing peaking for slams for other achievements

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In 1998 Sampras prioritized completing his six year pursuit of not only having the most year ending number ones, but also breaking the record for the most consecutive year ending number ones.

Pete was on 11 slams, he was one slam away from catching Emerson and tying the all time grand slam record, in the fall of 1998, however back then, the GOAT wasn't just about who had the most slams.

Back in the 80s, when people discussed who should be the greatest, several players were given arguments. The player with most slams, Emerson, the player with the most weeks at number one, Lendl, the player with the most year ending number ones, Connors, and even the player with the most slams in the open era, Borg. When Sampras emerged he very openly said that he was going to end the debate for who is the GOAT, because he was going for all three records with equal passion....and so began the Sampras era.

In 1998, he was one slam away from the slam record, but post USO 98 he chose to play as much as possible in an already exhausting long season, and this after picking up a slight injury at the USO, to ensure he got that record breaking sixth world number one ranking. He knew with the amount he was putting in, he was sacrificing his chances to win AO 99, and tying Emerson...he however felt that the six year ending number ones was far more important for his legacy....basically saying that tennis is more than just about slams.

He broke the record, and due to exhaustion, he sacrificed a very strong chance to win AO 99. Later of course, he does equal Emerson at W 99, and ultimately breaks the record, but he knew what that record meant for him.




A slightly recent example that often goes by unnoticed was Nadal's pursuit of the number one ranking in 2007. Federer, unlike the previous years, where he had locked in the top spot for the rest of the year, didn't lock in the number one ranking for 2007 until Basel, very deep into the season. Nadal in the pursuit of gaining points, after a brutal campaign on the clay and grass, instead of deciding to rest his knees like others, went immediately back to play on Stuttgart on the clay to win it and catch Federer up....the mileage ultimately caught up with him, when he collapsed to the ground during his 4th round match against Ferrer in USO holding his knees. Instead of resting and trying to get a very deep run at USO, he put in extra mileage for the number one ranking, which ultimately hurt him, Nadal, was unable to make up the ground and had to wait another year to get the number one ranking.
 
Year end no. 1s were very important in the 90s. Sampras was obsessed with it and more so about being 6 consecutive year end no.1. That is the record he is most proud of.

Did Nadal tried like crazy to become no. 1 in 2007. I dont think so. His playing in Stutgart did a good job to rebound after the final loss.
One year later, when he won wimbledon, that time he really went all the way in Canada(win) and Cincy (sf) and earned the no.1 ranking
 
Year end no. 1s were very important in the 90s. Sampras was obsessed with it and more so about being 6 consecutive year end no.1. That is the record he is most proud of.

Did Nadal tried like crazy to become no. 1 in 2007. I dont think so. His playing in Stutgart did a good job to rebound after the final loss.
One year later, when he won wimbledon, that time he really went all the way in Canada(win) and Cincy (sf) and earned the no.1 ranking

Nadal didn't try like too crazy, but at one point he was ahead in the race in 2007 and he wanted to add more points on. The return to clay was just that, he was already worn down and needed rest and everyone was saying he went there to get more ranking points. He slowed down the pursuit after losing early in USO, where he lost points.
 
I like the idea of this thread, and perhaps, YE#1s were valued a little more than they are now, and slams slightly less than now. But I don't think it was dramatically so. I also think that while Emerson's then-record of 12 ("majors") was cited, almost nobody considered his career greater than any of Laver, Rosewall, Borg or Sampras, as Emmo won the majority of them when the tour was split.

As for other examples, Djokovic, arguably, put so much of a premium on winning Olympics gold (played in 2021), did that deplete his tank for the US Open and an even greater achievement? In the Sampras example, Pete (I think) had a little more recovery time for the next slam, but I would have to check the dates from the 1998 YEC till the '99 AO.

Also, how much did Murray go all-out to win the year-end #1 in 2016? I think it still had, and has, a lot of value...even, as I recall, for Rafa in 2017, narrowly winning it from Roger


Maybe, others have better examples..
 
I like the idea of this thread, and perhaps, YE#1s were valued a little more than they are now, and slams slightly less than now. But I don't think it was dramatically so. I also think that while Emerson's then-record of 12 ("majors") was cited, almost nobody considered his career greater than any of Laver, Rosewall, Borg or Sampras, as Emmo won the majority of them when the tour was split.

As for other examples, Djokovic, arguably, put so much of a premium on winning Olympics gold (played in 2021), did that deplete his tank for the US Open and an even greater achievement? In the Sampras example, Pete (I think) had a little more recovery time for the next slam, but I would have to check the dates from the 1998 YEC till the '99 AO.

Also, how much did Murray go all-out to win the year-end #1 in 2016? I think it still had, and has, a lot of value...even, as I recall, for Rafa in 2017, narrowly winning it from Roger


Maybe, others have better examples..

Pete of course had the off season, but after Christmas, he had to start preparing for AO and his body was having none of it. He pushed very hard in 1998 to get as much points as possible to secure that number one ranking.


The Murray example is a good one, because he went all in to wrestle the number one ranking away from Djokovic, which basically ended by being a fatal move for his career, as it was a downward spiral from 2017 on wards. He potentially left slams on the table, we will never know, but he got that number one ranking and year ending number one.

With Federer, to a lesser extent, in 2017 chasing the number one ranking in Montreal when he should have waited for Cincinnati cost him also, he hurt his back and that basically hurt his chances for the USO.
 
I like the idea of this thread, and perhaps, YE#1s were valued a little more than they are now, and slams slightly less than now. But I don't think it was dramatically so. I also think that while Emerson's then-record of 12 ("majors") was cited, almost nobody considered his career greater than any of Laver, Rosewall, Borg or Sampras, as Emmo won the majority of them when the tour was split.

As for other examples, Djokovic, arguably, put so much of a premium on winning Olympics gold (played in 2021), did that deplete his tank for the US Open and an even greater achievement? In the Sampras example, Pete (I think) had a little more recovery time for the next slam, but I would have to check the dates from the 1998 YEC till the '99 AO.

Also, how much did Murray go all-out to win the year-end #1 in 2016? I think it still had, and has, a lot of value...even, as I recall, for Rafa in 2017, narrowly winning it from Roger


Maybe, others have better examples..

Olympic Gold is bigger than CYGS on what planet?

Djokovic had a mental breakdown - in the final against an opponent he knows inside out and beat in straight sets in AO that year.
 
Olympic Gold is bigger than CYGS on what planet?

Djokovic had a mental breakdown - in the final against an opponent he knows inside out and beat in straight sets in AO that year.
Of course, I'm not saying that.

But I am suggesting (as we saw in 2024) how much OSG meant to Novak, and somewhat arrogantly, he thought he could win Olympics gold...perhaps even in mixed as well...and still complete the true Grand Slam.
 
Of course, I'm not saying that.

But I am suggesting (as we saw in 2024) how much OSG meant to Novak, and somewhat arrogantly, he thought he could win Olympics gold...perhaps even in mixed as well...and still complete the true Grand Slam.

PCB is the mental giant's nemesis!?
 
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The tennis landscape was drastically different before the ATP standardisation in 1990 (previously many players entered a large number of unsanctioned invitational events, and with 'grand slam counting' only becoming a big deal when Sampras closed in on Emerson's record (which Borg had no interest in going after).

However John Newcombe putting so much effort and focus on the WCT circuit in early 1974, which he dominated, culminating in him winning the WCT Finals in Dallas in May (a huge deal in general and for him), clearly impacted how much he had left in the tank for the rest of the year, including Wimbledon.

Borg (1977) and Evert (1976-1978) voluntarily skipped RG tournaments that they at the very worst would have had an excellent chance of winning (in Evert's case it's difficult to see who could beat her at RG from 1976-1978), to play in World Team Tennis in those years.
 
In 1998 Sampras prioritized completing his six year pursuit of not only having the most year ending number ones, but also breaking the record for the most consecutive year ending number ones.

Pete was on 11 slams, he was one slam away from catching Emerson and tying the all time grand slam record, in the fall of 1998, however back then, the GOAT wasn't just about who had the most slams.

Back in the 80s, when people discussed who should be the greatest, several players were given arguments. The player with most slams, Emerson, the player with the most weeks at number one, Lendl, the player with the most year ending number ones, Connors, and even the player with the most slams in the open era, Borg. When Sampras emerged he very openly said that he was going to end the debate for who is the GOAT, because he was going for all three records with equal passion....and so began the Sampras era.

In 1998, he was one slam away from the slam record, but post USO 98 he chose to play as much as possible in an already exhausting long season, and this after picking up a slight injury at the USO, to ensure he got that record breaking sixth world number one ranking. He knew with the amount he was putting in, he was sacrificing his chances to win AO 99, and tying Emerson...he however felt that the six year ending number ones was far more important for his legacy....basically saying that tennis is more than just about slams.

He broke the record, and due to exhaustion, he sacrificed a very strong chance to win AO 99. Later of course, he does equal Emerson at W 99, and ultimately breaks the record, but he knew what that record meant for him.




A slightly recent example that often goes by unnoticed was Nadal's pursuit of the number one ranking in 2007. Federer, unlike the previous years, where he had locked in the top spot for the rest of the year, didn't lock in the number one ranking for 2007 until Basel, very deep into the season. Nadal in the pursuit of gaining points, after a brutal campaign on the clay and grass, instead of deciding to rest his knees like others, went immediately back to play on Stuttgart on the clay to win it and catch Federer up....the mileage ultimately caught up with him, when he collapsed to the ground during his 4th round match against Ferrer in USO holding his knees. Instead of resting and trying to get a very deep run at USO, he put in extra mileage for the number one ranking, which ultimately hurt him, Nadal, was unable to make up the ground and had to wait another year to get the number one ranking.
So much for the "Sampras only cared about slams" narrative.
 
Year end no. 1s were very important in the 90s. Sampras was obsessed with it and more so about being 6 consecutive year end no.1. That is the record he is most proud of.

Did Nadal tried like crazy to become no. 1 in 2007. I dont think so. His playing in Stutgart did a good job to rebound after the final loss.
One year later, when he won wimbledon, that time he really went all the way in Canada(win) and Cincy (sf) and earned the no.1 ranking
I think the better example is the summer 08 run he went on to make it there. Played and won Olympics, Canda, and went deep in Cincy and seemed completely cooked for the USO that year when Murray beat him in straights.
 
This is why I always roll my eyes when people say that RAFA managed his schedule extremely well to maximize his chances at the schlems. That didn’t start until his late 20’s. For a good chunk of his prime his was worse than Timmy about overplaying. The two most egregious examples are the previously mentioned appearance at Stuttgart and Rotterdam 09. Both times he kicked up knee injuries that derailed his performances going forward.
 
I think the better example is the summer 08 run he went on to make it there. Played and won Olympics, Canda, and went deep in Cincy and seemed completely cooked for the USO that year when Murray beat him in straights.
Thats what i said. For two years in a row, the points collected in bulk in Canada-Cincy had major impact on rankings.

In 2007, Fed was RU - Canada and Won - Cincy. Huge points gained over Nadal.

In 2008, Nadal didn't become world no.1 after winning RG and W. Because of the massive lead Fed still held in Canda-Cincy. Then Nadal did Canada-Win and Cincy - SF and that settled it. He still didn't become No.1 immediately. The points from 2007 Canada and Cincy dropped out 2 weeks later and that's when Nadal became No. 1. Nadal won the Olympics too and wore himself up but Olympics didn't have any ranking points
 
Pete of course had the off season, but after Christmas, he had to start preparing for AO and his body was having none of it. He pushed very hard in 1998 to get as much points as possible to secure that number one ranking.


The Murray example is a good one, because he went all in to wrestle the number one ranking away from Djokovic, which basically ended by being a fatal move for his career, as it was a downward spiral from 2017 on wards. He potentially left slams on the table, we will never know, but he got that number one ranking and year ending number one.

With Federer, to a lesser extent, in 2017 chasing the number one ranking in Montreal when he should have waited for Cincinnati cost him also, he hurt his back and that basically hurt his chances for the USO.
muuza saved MP vs milos in the SF of WTF. so it was so close that all he done was not paid of. fed once answered to direct question that he more wanted another no1 (specially YE of course) than another slam).

nole peaked for OG last season and he was very open with that that it is his highest priority from the beginning of the year.
 
This is why I always roll my eyes when people say that RAFA managed his schedule extremely well to maximize his chances at the schlems. That didn’t start until his late 20’s. For a good chunk of his prime his was worse than Timmy about overplaying. The two most egregious examples are the previously mentioned appearance at Stuttgart and Rotterdam 09. Both times he kicked up knee injuries that derailed his performances going forward.
Im still sewing my sides up from laughter splitting them that anyone can think Lendl, who never won Wimbledon, was ever in a GOAT discussion back in the 80's.
 
Olympic Gold is bigger than CYGS on what planet?

Djokovic had a mental breakdown - in the final against an opponent he knows inside out and beat in straight sets in AO that year.
2021 and the defeat to Nadal at RG2022 i think will haunt Djokovic forever. Choking a CYGS chance to Medvedev really is the stuff of nightmares.
 
Thats what i said. For two years in a row, the points collected in bulk in Canada-Cincy had major impact on rankings.

In 2007, Fed was RU - Canada and Won - Cincy. Huge points gained over Nadal.

In 2008, Nadal didn't become world no.1 after winning RG and W. Because of the massive lead Fed still held in Canda-Cincy. Then Nadal did Canada-Win and Cincy - SF and that settled it. He still didn't become No.1 immediately. The points from 2007 Canada and Cincy dropped out 2 weeks later and that's when Nadal became No. 1. Nadal won the Olympics too and wore himself up but Olympics didn't have any ranking points

Back in 2008 the Olympics did still award ranking points. I recall that Murray got some for winning in 2012 but that was the last year they awarded any.
 
What wasn't paid off??
i did not said that it was not. BUT that it was a one points away that it was not paid of. milos had a MP in muzzas 2nd last match of the season. if he won it it would be his last match and he would not be no1.
 
muuza saved MP vs milos in the SF of WTF. so it was so close that all he done was not paid of. fed once answered to direct question that he more wanted another no1 (specially YE of course) than another slam).

nole peaked for OG last season and he was very open with that that it is his highest priority from the beginning of the year.

Yep.
 
Back in 2008 the Olympics did still award ranking points. I recall that Murray got some for winning in 2012 but that was the last year they awarded any.
You are right. Nadal got 400 points for Olympics. But he had already sealed No.1 so it was Olympic glory that mattered more than ranking points.
 
i did not said that it was not. BUT that it was a one points away that it was not paid of. milos had a MP in muzzas 2nd last match of the season. if he won it it would be his last match and he would not be no1.

Well, we know but Milos didn't win it and Andy did so that's just a moot point. Milos faced Andy several times that season and came close to beating him in the semi-final of the AO as well as the semis of the WTF. He also had a close final with him at Queen's but got straight setted in the final of Wimbledon. He wasn't successful in any of those encounters. 2016 probably marks the high-point of Milos' career as well as Andy's. Neither ever peaked as high again.
 
You are right. Nadal got 400 points for Olympics. But he had already sealed No.1 so it was Olympic glory that mattered more than ranking points.

Which was a bit mean as I recall Murray getting 750 and I thought even that a bit too low (IMO should have been at least a 1,000 like the Masters). The trouble with Olympic ranking points is that they couldn't be defended the following year and had to be replaced by winning another event with similar points. However, some time after 2012 the ATP and WTA stopped awarding ranking points for any event not under their control, bar the Slams of course, and that included Davis Cup as well.
 
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