dking68
G.O.A.T.
You know Sinner is more likely to do better in this half, and yet he is still #1 in the race, right? I could see Sinner easily winning 2/3 masters, the ATP finals and possibly the USO.
Expectations for Carlos Alcaraz in 2024
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Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Shut down your excessive dosage of optimism until Sinner does all that. Its getting nauseating at this point; you've been repeating the same stuff since the very beginning of this year.
Let me remind you, Sinner failed to win any of the 3 post-USO big trophies in the so called hottest streak of his. So, let the results arrive and speak before you propagate the exaggerated possibilities of everything.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
I’m saying Sinner will do better than the Spaniard in this half, his game is better suited to hardcourts
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
More like all HC season except IW , also there are two slams on HC remember and your boy was trailing Sinner 1-2 at freaking RG lol. Pipe down excitement, Sinner will dominate majority of season and also slams , it's only a matter of time.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Sinner dominated the HC season and won a slam , there are two slams on HC and even on RG clay Sinner was leading 1-2, let's not pretend that it could have been easily 2-1 by now
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Stop underselling Sinner , son! Sinner is a tough match up for Carlos everywhere. Even on RG clay he was leading 2-1 and should have won and had he not suffered sickness against Medvedev we would have been talking about CYGS .
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Only to low bouncing HCs, not on high bouncing HCs.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
He didn't dominate the HC season. No ifs and buts, Alcaraz won the last 2 sets without facing a break point at all. Deny that if you can.
Kralingen
Bionic Poster
Sinner is obviously better on HC. I mean, is this some crazy take now?
Sinner is clearly better in quicker, lower bouncing HC conditions (aka the entire fall season) than Carlos. Carlos lost to freaking MEDVEDEV at USO 2023. He has earned zero benefit of the doubt after that. He will have to prove his worth at the USO after such a pathetic, unforgivable defeat. As far as I’m concerned, Sinner is the favourite for the USO. The Medvedev loss was simply horrendous.
AgassiSuperSlam11
Hall of Fame
Alcaraz hasn't won an indoor title yet and I believe the defeat he suffered to Meddy was with the roof closed. If the roof was closed in 2023 Wimbledon F he also would've lost to Djokovic. Meddy also played some of his best tennis in that match.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Finally someone telling it the way it is. Carlos has trouble hitting through his opponents ( on HC)if they're in good defensive mode and has a big serve e ( Z at AO, Med at USO , T paul on HC) his serve is a liability on HC and his return is hit or miss , his game becomes more error prone on HC . There's too many strategic and brain holes in his HC game. @Rafa4LifeEver read this.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Sinner won more total points and more return points, despite the loss, on his least favorable surface. You do know if they play at the USO, it won’t be close right? Especially if the roof is closed
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Are you stupid, son? If the roof is closed it becomes humid and Sinner might faint, USO under roof is a BBQ .
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Well, its not as if Sinner won 20+ more points, its 147 to 145. That was because Sinner had won 8 out of the first 10 games when Alcaraz was settling into the match; after which, they exchanged a set apiece & then the Spaniard upped his level in sets 4 & 5, when he was clearly the better player.
Set 1 - Sinner was clearly better
Sets 2 & 3 - both were about equal
Sets 4 & 5 - Alcaraz was clearly better
Additionally, Nowhere on the tour would this matchup ever be 'not close', pal; especially in BO5. Unless one of them falls off a cliff in terms of level and therefore rankings, I'd always expect them to play nail-biters, close encounters.
As @NeutralFan pointed out, I don't think a closed roof in such humid conditions would be a favourable situation for Sinner against Alcaraz, as the match would get more physical compared to an outdoors match; and at this stage, the Spaniard is considerably better at that.
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Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Sinner is better on low bouncing HCs for sure. I don't contest that. On high bouncing HCs, I don't agree about Sinner being better there.
Talking of USO; yes Alcaraz did lose to Medvedev in a match where his tactics were all over the place while the big Russian played one of his top 3 matches on HC, ever. Sinner himself didn't do that well at USO, remember? He lost to a struggling Zverev in 5 sets.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Man this is exactly what I've been saying since last 2 years or so. Alcaraz doesn't play smart tennis when he is up against big hitters (well, most of the times). He tries to outhit them in central, mid-court rallies; which is suicidal. Additionally, hitting kick serves which land right into the strike zone of tall Zverev or Medvedev or Jarry is also suicidal. He needs to utilise the full width of the court by streching them from corner to corner with acute, albeit short angles; slices, sliding serves etc.
Will be a pretty massive failure if he (Sinner) doesn’t.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Agreed
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
This is pretty good prediction in hindsight.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Spot on.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Naah, you need a reality check
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Called it long ago about his HC game but fanboys didn't listen to me
Just the silver and beating Sinner on the HC of Indian Wells the same week the latter was busted for doping? Indeed Alcamug.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Im a sinner fan too, despite not being able to sit through a full match of his
Turns out he lost the 2 matches to Alcaraz and only managed to equal his slam tally this year after all.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
In Alcaraz worst year, missing the whole Clay season and playing the least number of matches since he is on tour, but hey, sinner is gonna do CYGS Next year without a doubt, Carlos got no chance, as he already reached his peak and now hes just declining at 21 years old.
Sinner will reach his peak version at 43 because even at this AO he was a college level player at best.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Can't blame you since the match is already in bag .
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
This cupcake draw doesn't change anything tbh. Yes, the HC field is as weak as it gets, so he's vultured 2 slams without much competition on the surface.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Just because you posted the words “as an Alcaraz fan” doesn’t make it true. Especially when you then proceeded to embarrass yourself by saying he’d be lucky to win one slam and Sinner would dominate him. How did that go hey?
How many slams for Alcaraz this year again? And did he beat Sinner en route to one of them? Yes? No?
Embarrassing. We know where your loyalties lie. You’ve bullied Alcaraz for so long now.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
He beat Meddy who beat Carlos last year and even in this weak field Carlos is struggling in HC slams
Sinner 0-2 against Carlitos in 2024. He might have to up the dose.
I like how h2h doesn't matter anymore.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Carlos has been playing crap tennis tennis on both HC & clay this season except for 2 weeks. So yeah he's struggling.
And no, Sinner didn't beat Meddy who beat Carlos last year; that was Medvedev outshining his 2021 levels. Sinner beat Meddy who made 55 UFEs in a short match, and yet could've taken it to a 5th.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Muh level !! It's down if your player beat him . Thing is Carlos has stagnated on HC ,don't know why fanboys like you're having hard problem admitting that? Will you wake up when Sinner wins AO? And Carlos gets early exit again?
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Who's denying that he's regressed this season on HC? All I'm saying is he didn't JUST decline on HC, he's had a rough year over-all outside of 2-3 weeks.
And doper Sinner would never earn any respect.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Muglos Mugcaraz and Dopennik Mugnner both ended the year in stalemate.
N01E
Hall of Fame
Guess what
In addition to everything you have said, he and Nadal will form a golden doubles to give eternal glory to Spain in Paris 2024.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
So your best argument is doper Sinner won't earn your respect? Cold assaisn couldn't care less about what you think. True, he has regressed everywhere or let's say didn't improve, only thing is his game gets exposed on HC more . His lack of point construction, low percentage, shot selection etc gets more exposed on HC.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Sinner has had a better season this year than Carlos has had in any season in his entire career
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
When is your new thread coming?son
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Yeah he'd not care about what I (a critic) think, but tbh neither does he care about what you (a non fan) or @dking68 (a devoted fan) think. So that's a moot point.
And no, Carlos didn't stagnate, he plain out regressed; except for 2-3 tournaments, he didn't play good tennis at all. Like, AT ALL. Perhaps that has to do with the elbow injury flaring up again and again which made him doubt himself, so he decided to play care free only for slams; but it can be something completely different which I've got no idea about. The issue of point construction & poor shot selection was present, even in 2022-23 (except for the 2 weeks of grass court tennis where his court craft jumped up several notches), but he got away with it more often than not by purely brutforcing his way through the opponents as he took some mean swings. He does not do that anymore, perhaps he's figuring out something entirely new, we'd have to wait and see it happen.
Rafa4LifeEver
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ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Been such a solid year for Alcaraz to this point. Everything to end the season will be icing on a tall cake. Good improvements in serve, and then in shot tolerance and selection of defense/neutral/offense. Still some work to do to create a front-runner mentality, but that continues to build as well.
The forehand in full flight was reserved for the slams it seems this year. The elbow/forearm s a concern. I believe a healthy Alcaraz next year would be much better than this year's variant.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
So was fed. Look who had double digit slams by age 25?
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
I think part of learning to build points is also learning when to use physicality. That will help preserve overuse effects and look more toward longevity for sure.
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