Explain MEP to me please

FiddlerDog

Professional
Someone's lying somewhere. He says he's 4.5 yet he crushes another 4.5(MEP) in singles indicating a full level difference.
This has been covered. MEP is a strong 4.0, but regions vary.
Atlanta 4.5 is really a Milwaukee 4.0 due to lack of 5.0 level players in smaller markets.
Mark Sansait is more typical of a typical 4.5 player, not MEP.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
This has been covered. MEP is a strong 4.0, but regions vary.
Atlanta 4.5 is really a Milwaukee 4.0 due to lack of 5.0 level players in smaller markets.
Mark Sansait is more typical of a typical 4.5 player, not MEP.
I mean why would you post such stuff that can be clearly refuted by facts?
 

FuzzyYellowBalls

Professional
This has been covered. MEP is a strong 4.0, but regions vary.
Atlanta 4.5 is really a Milwaukee 4.0 due to lack of 5.0 level players in smaller markets.
Mark Sansait is more typical of a typical 4.5 player, not MEP.
I will agree with FiddlerDog on this.
I mean why would you post such stuff that can be clearly refuted by facts?
He means in many people's opinions, including mine, there really aren't any facts to refute it clearly and I admit there are no "facts" to support it, just strong opinions.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
I will agree with FiddlerDog on this.

He means in many people's opinions, including mine, there really aren't any facts to refute it clearly and I admit there are no "facts" to support it, just strong opinions.
so USTA records and resulting rankings are not facts? this is like saying 2+2 is not, in my opinion, and a strong one, _not_ 4. Discuss.... Please...
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
In a vacuum, yes, but always keep in mind the opinion posted by Fiddlerdog, "regions vary" so again, it's an opinion.
you guys need to take a course on statistics or something. These discussions are utterly pointless if one side is using 'opinions' and the other 'facts'.....
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
you guys need to take a course on statistics or something. These discussions are utterly pointless if one side is using 'opinions' and the other 'facts'.....
you need to take a course on logic or something
  1. Local regions are 100% isolated from each other.
  2. Ratings are relative to other opponents.
This is how you end up with 4.5 caliber players at 3.0 nationals

You need facts and data?
  1. Ian has gotten CRUSHED by Milwaukee 4.5 players. (Ira, Sansait, etc)
  2. Ian CRUSHED MEP who is a top level 4.5 Atlanta.
There is a clear rating difference in regions
 

FuzzyYellowBalls

Professional
you guys need to take a course on statistics or something. These discussions are utterly pointless if one side is using 'opinions' and the other 'facts'.....
I hear you, but I said there aren't facts since this is just an opinion on what ratings mean, no way to prove it either way, I admit that. I don't think it means I need a course in statistics, I hated that course despite getting an A- lol.
 

FuzzyYellowBalls

Professional
In your opinion, how large is the variance between regions? A full NTRP level? Half that?
Never more than .5. Although the 4.0 competition also won at the 5.0 level this year while going post season at 4.0 and 4.5. (Referring to Southern). Same issue happens in other areas.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
you need to take a course on logic or something
  1. Local regions are 100% isolated from each other.
  2. Ratings are relative to other opponents.
This is how you end up with 4.5 caliber players at 3.0 nationals

You need facts and data?
  1. Ian has gotten CRUSHED by Milwaukee 4.5 players. (Ira, Sansait, etc)
  2. Ian CRUSHED MEP who is a top level 4.5 Atlanta.
There is a clear rating difference in regions
solid reasoning all around :rolleyes:
 

TennisTroll

New User
I recently returned from a trip where I played tennis in west Texas, Oregon, and Florida. I feel that all the players I played against were rated correctly (I think one is self-rated and I believe he rated correctly). The players I hit with are being featured on the channel except for west Texas as I wasn't able to record there. However, the players in west Texas probably thought I was badly overrated as I couldn't keep the ball in due to the elevation (4,000+ feet). My excuse anyway : ] That was an experience. I wish I was able to record it.

I think majority of players play their correct rating. There will always be a handful that work the system, but overall I feel it is correct for most.
 

TennisTroll

New User
you need to take a course on logic or something
  1. Local regions are 100% isolated from each other.
  2. Ratings are relative to other opponents.
This is how you end up with 4.5 caliber players at 3.0 nationals

You need facts and data?
  1. Ian has gotten CRUSHED by Milwaukee 4.5 players. (Ira, Sansait, etc)
  2. Ian CRUSHED MEP who is a top level 4.5 Atlanta.
There is a clear rating difference in regions
Hopefully we'll have a TennisTroll vs ET. I go back and forth on who should represent TennisTroll. Do we (TennisTroll) bring our very best? Do we bring the players who are shown more frequently? Mix it up? Shall see if the match up happens : ]
 

AnyPUG

Professional
Hopefully we'll have a TennisTroll vs ET. I go back and forth on who should represent TennisTroll. Do we (TennisTroll) bring our very best? Do we bring the players who are shown more frequently? Mix it up? Shall see if the match up happens : ]
If it were up to me, I would decide the lineup based on polling results on the TT YT channel. The majority wins!
I would vote for TT vs Ian, Puresense vs Ira (young coaches duel), Fed lite vs Mark for style over substance :), Scott vs Boss (age group), MEP vs Topher.
 

FuzzyYellowBalls

Professional
I recently returned from a trip where I played tennis in west Texas, Oregon, and Florida. I feel that all the players I played against were rated correctly (I think one is self-rated and I believe he rated correctly). The players I hit with are being featured on the channel except for west Texas as I wasn't able to record there. However, the players in west Texas probably thought I was badly overrated as I couldn't keep the ball in due to the elevation (4,000+ feet). My excuse anyway : ] That was an experience. I wish I was able to record it.

I think majority of players play their correct rating. There will always be a handful that work the system, but overall I feel it is correct for most.
Understandable, you might be right, but west texas isn't a great place to sample texas. Got a friend that just moved there to Lubbock (i'm guessing by altitude you were in El Paso maybe?), they only have 3... 4.5 teams mixed with quite a few 4.0 on them and went winless in sectionals. Throw in some Austin/Dallas/Houston, maybe San Antonio next time for a good experiment.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
I recently returned from a trip where I played tennis in west Texas, Oregon, and Florida. I feel that all the players I played against were rated correctly (I think one is self-rated and I believe he rated correctly). The players I hit with are being featured on the channel except for west Texas as I wasn't able to record there. However, the players in west Texas probably thought I was badly overrated as I couldn't keep the ball in due to the elevation (4,000+ feet). My excuse anyway : ] That was an experience. I wish I was able to record it.

I think majority of players play their correct rating. There will always be a handful that work the system, but overall I feel it is correct for most.
You sir visited the wrong part of Texas lol
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
Hopefully we'll have a TennisTroll vs ET. I go back and forth on who should represent TennisTroll. Do we (TennisTroll) bring our very best? Do we bring the players who are shown more frequently? Mix it up? Shall see if the match up happens : ]
More Blue Shirt Beast please
 

TennisTroll

New User
If it were up to me, I would decide the lineup based on polling results on the TT YT channel. The majority wins!
I would vote for TT vs Ian, Puresense vs Ira (young coaches duel), Fed lite vs Mark for style over substance :), Scott vs Boss (age group), MEP vs Topher.
This is actually a solid lineup. Thank you. Only person I would add from TT is Wannabe Pro. Maybe he can take my spot against Ian.
 

TennisTroll

New User
Understandable, you might be right, but west texas isn't a great place to sample texas. Got a friend that just moved there to Lubbock (i'm guessing by altitude you were in El Paso maybe?), they only have 3... 4.5 teams mixed with quite a few 4.0 on them and went winless in sectionals. Throw in some Austin/Dallas/Houston, maybe San Antonio next time for a good experiment.
Correct - El Paso.
 
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