Failed attempt at switching to Prestige MP

PD1978

Rookie
Have you ever tried a DR98? Little tricky to find good ones used, but it’s a lovely stick.
I found 4 last year. One was even brand new.
 
This is my first post in the racket forum. You guys are talking about rackets as if they are living, breathing human beings.

And I love it!

I've been using the PMP for a few months, trying to get the swing speed up. Yes it has it's moments of greatness.

At the end of the day I miss the dive bombing, jamming balls that is part of my strategy. At my level, I play a lot of pusher type matches where you have to be comfortable flicking mid court and short balls.
 

Wheelz

Semi-Pro
This is my first post in the racket forum. You guys are talking about rackets as if they are living, breathing human beings.

And I love it!

I've been using the PMP for a few months, trying to get the swing speed up. Yes it has it's moments of greatness.

At the end of the day I miss the dive bombing, jamming balls that is part of my strategy. At my level, I play a lot of pusher type matches where you have to be comfortable flicking mid court and short balls.
Always thought the ezone 98 was good for that! But I probably have not tried enough racquets to make a strong statement.
 

Lorenn

Semi-Pro
This is my first post in the racket forum. You guys are talking about rackets as if they are living, breathing human beings.

And I love it!

I've been using the PMP for a few months, trying to get the swing speed up. Yes it has it's moments of greatness.

At the end of the day I miss the dive bombing, jamming balls that is part of my strategy. At my level, I play a lot of pusher type matches where you have to be comfortable flicking mid court and short balls.
You made quite a leap in racquets. Not sure why you wanted to switch to 18x20. 16x19 fits your current playstyle. Gravity Pro/Tour might be something to explore. Still I thought overall you showed great ease of movement around the court. Radical Pro/mp 360+, Speed MP/Pro 360+ all interesting options. You are soon reaching the point where everything will be looking for how to improve your game in small increments. The point where your athletic ability might not be enough. Just see it as expanding your tool base. Giving yourself more options on the court.

Overall you played well with a challenging racquet. I agree working on expanding your backhand options and approaching/putaways would be time well spent. Pretty sure you could play reasonable well with most racquets. Just a mater of find one which connects with you.
 
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USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Long time Ai98 user here but had a chance to pick up a pair of new Prestige MP over the fall. Been using it over the winter and like a lot of things, however coming into the spring I'm still not fully sold yet.

Pros. Way more control in 18x20, way more stability on returns, and outstanding stability on serves as the extra weight makes the swing path more predictable. Using an aggressive string Hyper-g soft 18g.

Cons. I am really struggling on sending short balls long in match play, but I shouldn't have that issue with this string setup. The plow and power of this racket combined with the drop in rhs because of the extra weight has me wondering if I can get used to this. My money shot - loopy ball to their bh is not as predictable. I know that higher swing speed can make up for this, but I'm having a hard time getting it up and moving and must be relying on my old 16x19 spin.

I am a defensive baseliner who uses loopy deep balls on the fh to keep people back. Muted comfort on off centers is priority (where the Ai98 excelled).

Should I accept defeat and get back into my comfort zone and look at ezone 98? Or is there light at the end of the tunnel and stay the course to see a greater payout in the long run, as I get used to the weight?

Here are some highlights from the other day to give you an idea of playing style.

Nice to see someone moving their feet. Your game has Blade written all over it. Blade Pro if you want to spend a bit more or Blade V7. 16x19 would be my choice. Your forehand would be fine with 18x20 but with the rest of your game the 18x20 could be quite demanding.
 
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Jug you are so right, back to TB soft this week for another go

Can anyone confirm the ezone 98 plays more plush than the new vcore 98 (2021)? They look very similar but I can't stand a stiff racket.
I've hit with both, briefly, and I think the latest Ezone 98 is much more comfortable than the VCore. I'd just give the Ezone 98 a demo for a week, maybe toss a bit of weight at 3&9 and some in the buttcap to get you a bit closer to the MP weight that you've said you liked. I've dabbled with 18x20s as well (played with the Ultra Tours for a while) but to me, your game is better suited to a 16x19. Plus, the new Ezone's pattern is fairly dense for a 16x19.

The Blade is good recommendation as well. The new v7s are a little too rubbery for me, but many like them. The Blade Pro, depending on specs, could be a bit clubby, perhaps. Good luck, keep us in the loop!

Nice to see you here, by the way - I'm a subscriber over on YT!
 

Dragy

Legend
TW just put Ezone 98 as best comfort racquet for it's category.
(Don't have personal experience past Ai and Dr, which were extremely comfortable unless I put really stiff string into them and hit off-center)
 

ChrisG

Semi-Pro
From watching you play I think you should consider a more easy playing frame. Even if your quite mobile, you mostly hit flat footed FH, thus only using your arm on those strokes. In this configuration an heavy low powered flexy frame like the Prestige would be a burden more than a weapon.
In order to play it more efficiently, you need to play more aggressively, starting by getting more on your tip toes to start generating power from your legs.
If you keep this arm only technique, a 16x19 tweeter would be more suited
 
You made quite a leap in racquets. Not sure why you wanted to switch to 18x20. 16x19 fits your current playstyle. Gravity Pro/Tour might be something to explore. Still I thought overall you showed great ease of movement around the court. Radical Pro/mp 360+, Speed MP/Pro 360+ all interesting options. You are soon reaching the point where everything will be looking for how to improve your game in small increments. The point where your athletic ability might not be enough. Just see it as expanding your tool base. Giving yourself more options on the court.

Overall you played well with a challenging racquet. I agree working on expanding your backhand options and approaching/putaways would be time well spent. Pretty sure you could play reasonable well with most racquets. Just a mater of find one which connects with you.
Thank you. They just fell into my hands, and thought I would try something new. Felt so stable to hit with on first time and liked the control aspect. Then started seeing the holes in my game not sure I can just fix overnight.

I'm also more of a string guy and I miss the string effect I used to get with 16x19. When I restring these I don't get the same "new string" feel that gives you that extra confidence that you can bend anything back in.
 
I've hit with both, briefly, and I think the latest Ezone 98 is much more comfortable than the VCore. I'd just give the Ezone 98 a demo for a week, maybe toss a bit of weight at 3&9 and some in the buttcap to get you a bit closer to the MP weight that you've said you liked. I've dabbled with 18x20s as well (played with the Ultra Tours for a while) but to me, your game is better suited to a 16x19. Plus, the new Ezone's pattern is fairly dense for a 16x19.

The Blade is good recommendation as well. The new v7s are a little too rubbery for me, but many like them. The Blade Pro, depending on specs, could be a bit clubby, perhaps. Good luck, keep us in the loop!

Nice to see you here, by the way - I'm a subscriber over on YT!
I am setting up some demos of the ezone 98 and Vcore 98 - usually would stray away from the stiffer types but I'm curious how the Vcore does with some softer strings.

Thanks for the pro tips. I never come over into the racket forum because it's too expensive.
 
TW just put Ezone 98 as best comfort racquet for it's category.
(Don't have personal experience past Ai and Dr, which were extremely comfortable unless I put really stiff string into them and hit off-center)
Great video!

The real story behind this whole thing is I smashed one of my last ai98 (bad idea) and grabbed a new Pure Drive VS to finish out the set with.

I could't stand the stiffness, however the spin felt like 10x of my ai98 and I was like, ok maybe I am a bit outdated here with my ai98.

Then the prestiges fell into my hands and they were so thin and good looking, I gave it a go over the winter.

Now coming into spring and matches two weeks away I guess I was getting the pre season jitters with this racket.
 

Dragy

Legend
Great video!

The real story behind this whole thing is I smashed one of my last ai98 (bad idea) and grabbed a new Pure Drive VS to finish out the set with.

I could't stand the stiffness, however the spin felt like 10x of my ai98 and I was like, ok maybe I am a bit outdated here with my ai98.

Then the prestiges fell into my hands and they were so thin and good looking, I gave it a go over the winter.

Now coming into spring and matches two weeks away I guess I was getting the pre season jitters with this racket.
You could possibly find good combo of feel, comfort and spin with Head 360+ Extreme Tour... But that's now digging into deep hole of options :X3:
 

hank_m

New User
The speed is most powerful racket in Head's offering, the prestige is least powerful
The speed is a large sweet spot, thick (23mm beam), prestige is smaller SS, 20mm beam
Speed is mid 60s flex, Prestige is mid-upper 50s, very soft
Prestige launch angle is very low, speed is not
Prestige is control oriented, speed is less of that focus
I'd say, there are quite a few options in between...
why is not extreme most powerful?
 

blai212

Professional
i can attest to the other ppl that claim arm pain from ezone98, i am one of them...another huge yonex fan too. Vcore pro 97 310g with heavy replacement grip such as wilson shock shield or leather plays great. Awesome control, surgical precision on full cut swings, just have to find the sweetspot or else it can be a bit unforgiving due to thin beam resulting in less stability. Thin beam allows for quick maneuverability (racquet cuts through the air) but lack of plow through. After enough mishits, the arm will start to hurt. Enter Babolat Pure Strike 98 16x19 3rd Gen. It is the softest/most flexy babolat frame (not saying much) that also provides good pop and sufficient control. The easy pop/soft feel is intoxicating. Supposedly this frame is spreading like wildfire among the juniors. Maneuverability is not as good as VCP97 310 but the tradeoff for stability is well worth it. Pure Strike is a winner. Babolat finally got it right with the flex. I would say the racquet most similar to it is the v7 blade 98 which was a huge success by wilson. Babolat pure strike just has a little more pop/less control.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Great video!

The real story behind this whole thing is I smashed one of my last ai98 (bad idea) and grabbed a new Pure Drive VS to finish out the set with.

I could't stand the stiffness, however the spin felt like 10x of my ai98 and I was like, ok maybe I am a bit outdated here with my ai98.

Then the prestiges fell into my hands and they were so thin and good looking, I gave it a go over the winter.

Now coming into spring and matches two weeks away I guess I was getting the pre season jitters with this racket.
Having bought and owned just over 100 rackets the last 8-10 years, I can tell you from experience, that you'll always encounter this feeling when trying out the different "archetypes" of rackets, as these categories have come about as a result of wanting specific features, and that you can not get all features in the same racket. If you play with an Ezone 100, you'll appreciate the maneuverability of a Vcore 95 with its feeling of preciseness, when trying it out. If you play a with a Prestige MP+, you'll appreciate the easy power and spin of an Extreme MP.

The clue is to understand which racket fits your game at the moment, and accept the constraints that come with it, and embrace its advantages.
Prestige MP+ is great for a varied game, using dropshots, short slices, serve and volley aso
Extreme MP is great for baseline rallying with heigh, spin, depth and good margin, which requires patience and repetiveness
18x20 (in a smaller head size) is great for those who like flat rallying.
aso.

This is an advice I haven't been able to follow myself though, but you know, it's easier to give advice than to live by it.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
i can attest to the other ppl that claim arm pain from ezone98, i am one of them...another huge yonex fan too. Vcore pro 97 310g with heavy replacement grip such as wilson shock shield or leather plays great. Awesome control, surgical precision on full cut swings, just have to find the sweetspot or else it can be a bit unforgiving due to thin beam resulting in less stability. Thin beam allows for quick maneuverability (racquet cuts through the air) but lack of plow through. After enough mishits, the arm will start to hurt. Enter Babolat Pure Strike 98 16x19 3rd Gen. It is the softest/most flexy babolat frame (not saying much) that also provides good pop and sufficient control. The easy pop/soft feel is intoxicating. Supposedly this frame is spreading like wildfire among the juniors. Maneuverability is not as good as VCP97 310 but the tradeoff for stability is well worth it. Pure Strike is a winner. Babolat finally got it right with the flex. I would say the racquet most similar to it is the v7 blade 98 which was a huge success by wilson. Babolat pure strike just has a little more pop/less control.
i love the new ps 16x19 but its not a comfortable frame over time, in my experience at least.
 

GuilhermeG

Rookie
The prestige is a great racquet to force you on improving your game. It punishes late swings, unbalanced shots, "arm only" shots etc.

On the video you posted I noticed you have a good skill level, but the prestige was punishing every single shot you hit balanced on one leg or falling back. That's what the prestige line does, unfortunately.

I switched to a gravity pro last year because I felt it was an easier to play frame, but man I miss swinging my prestige's from time to time... Last time I took them for a spin, I had to take a lot of pain killers just to be able to sleep. :laughing:

TLDR: I believe you should choose between: (1) keep the prestiges and focus on using it as a training tool that helps you develop your game ; or (2) go for something tweener-like that help you win games more easily.

Should you pick #2, I suggest selling those prestige's as fast as you can, because the feel can be addictive and cause long-term racquet-confusion syndrome.
 
I think you play pretty well with it, but it will punish small mistakes. Is it the static weight that bothers you and is slowing you down. You look like you have some pretty respectable rhs but the 18x20 in that head size is going to make the easier spin your accustomed to harder to come by. The Ezone 98 will be more spin friendly for sure, but it will feel stiffer. I would recommend a 17ga shaped poly like HyperG to provide some softness to the frame but give you some good grip and a launch angle you feel more comfortable with. You might consider also a Radical MP or Pro. Those are lighter then the Prestige but with the thin beam will probably feel a bit closer to the Prestige while still giving you a 16x19 string pattern. I think, however, the Vcore 95... that might be an interesting one for you to try.
 
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