Fear the Pickleball geezer ;)

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I know a guy who has playing Pickleball for 11 years. He picked it up in his retirement community. He taught me how important it is to be able to drop the ball into the Kitchen from the back of the court.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I know a guy who has playing Pickleball for 11 years. He picked it up in his retirement community. He taught me how important it is to be able to drop the ball into the Kitchen from the back of the court.

sometimes 3rd shot drop … sometimes 3rd shot drive producing an easier 5th shot drop 8-B
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
3rd shot drop......
Totally nuetralized as soon as you preplan varying returns....slice, high topspin, fast flats.
Don't just mechanically react to serves...take control.
 
Are there creative ways to mess with people on the serve? I remember this being a key element of my dominance when playing in junior high PE but I'm not 100% sure what I was doing was in full accordance with the strict regulations of the game.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Are there creative ways to mess with people on the serve? I remember this being a key element of my dominance when playing in junior high PE but I'm not 100% sure what I was doing was in full accordance with the strict regulations of the game.
Mess with them how?
 

tennytive

Hall of Fame
My biggest complaint is not being allowed to serve overhead in PB. Sometimes when we're waiting for enough players to arrive I will hit with one of the guys and we like to serve overhead and then play out the point. It seems much more natural, but it would limit the non athletes who comprise the majority of entitled players that show up with their $250. paddles.
It would be interesting to see Morgan Evans come up with an even crazier spin serve if he was allowed to serve overhead.
I know, dream on.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Are there creative ways to mess with people on the serve? I remember this being a key element of my dominance when playing in junior high PE but I'm not 100% sure what I was doing was in full accordance with the strict regulations of the game.

Underhand serve … upward path at contact … one serve not two. Basically … doubles pickleball mostly neutered tennis skills including the serve and ros. I can hit drive topspin serves, and sidespin serves (and do) … even occasional cc ace from the right/deuce side. But once players reach a decent intermediate level … almost all serves are returned. It’s a wiffle … so no tennis ace-adjacent speed. Players get really good on ros of positioning themselves to only hit fh ros. You can try and go for that tight T serve to their deuce side … but you get one serve, and you only score points on your serve. You can certainly mess with lower level players … side spin that doesn’t bounce very high causes havoc … but a good player prefers anything short that gets them to the kitchen quicker.

If we got two serves … then many of my new pball friends would finally have to use that bh on ros. 8-B (y)
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
My biggest complaint is not being allowed to serve overhead in PB. Sometimes when we're waiting for enough players to arrive I will hit with one of the guys and we like to serve overhead and then play out the point. It seems much more natural, but it would limit the non athletes who comprise the majority of entitled players that show up with their $250. paddles.
It would be interesting to see Morgan Evans come up with an even crazier spin serve if he was allowed to serve overhead.
I know, dream on.

I started a game against friends in open play with an overhead serve as a joke … they knew I came from tennis. Swung hard … hit tip of paddle and sailed over their head into the wall behind them. :-D 2nd one went in … that back scratch throwing motion ain’t the same with a paddle. :-D

I had to look up Evans … lol. Now I know why they made the volley spin serve illegal. You can hit the drop serve anyway you want but still couldn’t spin with off hand.

 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Underhand serve … upward path at contact … one serve not two. Basically … doubles pickleball mostly neutered tennis skills including the serve and ros. I can hit drive topspin serves, and sidespin serves (and do) … even occasional cc ace from the right/deuce side. But once players reach a decent intermediate level … almost all serves are returned. It’s a wiffle … so no tennis ace-adjacent speed. Players get really good on ros of positioning themselves to only hit fh ros. You can try and go for that tight T serve to their deuce side … but you get one serve, and you only score points on your serve. You can certainly mess with lower level players … side spin that doesn’t bounce very high causes havoc … but a good player prefers anything short that gets them to the kitchen quicker.

If we got two serves … then many of my new pball friends would finally have to use that bh on ros. 8-B (y)
High, deep sidespin also causes problems
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
High, deep sidespin also causes problems

When we play the better teams my mindset has changed from trying to win a point on serve very often. Just get it deep … (ts drive deep or high spinny deep same diff) … and start the point.
 
Underhand serve … upward path at contact … one serve not two. Basically … doubles pickleball mostly neutered tennis skills including the serve and ros. I can hit drive topspin serves, and sidespin serves (and do) … even occasional cc ace from the right/deuce side. But once players reach a decent intermediate level … almost all serves are returned. It’s a wiffle … so no tennis ace-adjacent speed. Players get really good on ros of positioning themselves to only hit fh ros. You can try and go for that tight T serve to their deuce side … but you get one serve, and you only score points on your serve. You can certainly mess with lower level players … side spin that doesn’t bounce very high causes havoc … but a good player prefers anything short that gets them to the kitchen quicker.

If we got two serves … then many of my new pball friends would finally have to use that bh on ros. 8-B (y)
Well yeah the average people I was playing against in junior high PE were not intermediate level; they had no background in racquet sports or golf and worse hand-eye coordination than me. When I played against my friend who took tennis lessons, who was my equal, he got more of them back, but even then I definitely beat him at times. I think what I did, in addition to sidespin, was flutter my wrist through impact so it came out low at an unpredictable angle with no spin, a bit like a knuckleball, which worked well with the hardwood gym floor we were playing on.
 
I know a 90 year old woman who cannot move worth a darn (so she always needs a quick partner). But if the ball comes within one step of her (very good) positioning, she can do pretty much *anything* with the ball. Opponents always take her for granted ... the first time they play her.
 
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