Fed Called out for Cheating?!.

gplracer

Hall of Fame
Cash is a jerk. I have a friend who used to work with him and he hated it. He said you can never make Cash happy and he thinks he knows everything. Hey Cash, how about calling Nadal out for taking too much time. That is breaking the rules.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Opinion supported by facts in the same article. Is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

A lot of opinions staying the same until 2017 is so telling only to be proven by more facts.

For Example,
In 2010, Tomas Berdych said "It just shows how the referee is probably scared of him and just let him talk with him too long," world number six Berdych.

Fast forward to 2016. :rolleyes:
Why should the referee be scared of Rafa?
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Cash is a jerk. I have a friend who used to work with him and he hated it. He said you can never make Cash happy and he thinks he knows everything. Hey Cash, how about calling Nadal out for taking too much time. That is breaking the rules.
Cash is telling it as it is. The truth hurts.
 

eagletennis

Semi-Pro
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Opinion supported by facts in the same article. Is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

A lot of opinions staying the same until 2017 is so telling only to be proven by more facts.

For Example,
In 2010, Tomas Berdych said "It just shows how the referee is probably scared of him and just let him talk with him too long," world number six Berdych.

Fast forward to 2016. :rolleyes:
I was at the O2 for that match sitting right behind the umpire's chair and Bernardes had a history of overruling against Nadal no matter what. Bernardes overruled a call before Nadal struck the ball and when Berdych challenged and his ball was in, Bernardes should have let them play a let but he awarded Berdych the point because he felt guilty for overruling the call. Tom Barnes came on, and as usual, the ATP supervisor never disagrees with the umpire so Rafa protested, but at no point did Rafa sit down because had he done so he would have defaulted himself, so Berdych was making that up. Rafa did walk to his bench but he didn't actually sit down. If anyone should have been affected by that incident it was Rafa because Berdych was the one who was awarded the point.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
I was at the O2 for that match sitting right behind the umpire's chair and Bernardes had a history of overruling against Nadal no matter what. Bernardes overruled a call before Nadal struck the ball and when Berdych challenged and his ball was in, Bernardes should have let them play a let but he awarded Berdych the point because he felt guilty for overruling the call.

I dont care if you were behind NAdal's rear side, seriously.

You couldnt be more WRONG. It was NAdal who stopped the point, prompting Bernardes to call out. Berdych challenged. Berdych won the point because it was Nadal who stopped the point.

Bernardes was absolutely correct as always.

 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
I dont care if you were behind Nadal's rear side, seriously.

You couldnt be more WRONG. It was NAdal who stopped the point, prompting Bernardes to call out. Berdych challenged. Berdych won the point because it was Nadal who stopped the point.

Bernardes was absolutely correct as always.

It's because Carlos had a history of being unfair to Nadal.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
It's because Carlos had a history of being unfair to Nadal.
Bernardes overruled a call before Nadal struck the ball and when Berdych challenged and his ball was in, Bernardes should have let them play a let but he awarded Berdych the point because he felt guilty for overruling the call.

This is not what happened in the video. Care to explain. ?

Bernardes has no history of being unfair. He followed the rules.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Tsonga once told an umpire that he was overruling all the calls in favour of Nadal because he was scared of him. These players all seem to have some kind of inferiority complex for Nadal.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
It's because Carlos had a history of being unfair to Nadal.
Bernardes overruled a call before Nadal struck the ball and when Berdych challenged and his ball was in, Bernardes should have let them play a let but he awarded Berdych the point because he felt guilty for overruling the call.
This is not what happened in the video. Care to explain. ?
Tsonga once told an umpire that he was overruling all the calls in favour of Nadal because he was scared of him. These players all seem to have some kind of inferiority complex for Nadal.
Diverting the topic with some sort of vitriol??
 

Urkezi

Semi-Pro
This is not what happened in the video. Care to explain. ?
Bernardes has no history of being unfair. He followed the rules.
I'll explain what I see, just so you don't think you are crazy when you read out the ************* imaginary explications and surely attempts to divert the topic :)
Berdych hits it very deep, Rafa just hits it in the air and lifts his finger as if to challenge. Stops playing, obviously. Bernardes calls it out, late. Berdych challenges, the ball is in, Bernardes very calmly explains to Rafa he called it late, so Rafa's stoppage of play counts - point Berdych.

Rafa gets a hissy-fit. Blatantly attempts to cheat and says his ball was in - as if it matters when he stopped play already. Goes to the supervisor, gets no love and then comes back to Bernardes and says "I don't want to play." Nearly sits down. Continues: "This is horrible/crazy what you are telling me."
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
I'll explain what I see, just so you don't think you are crazy when you read out the ************* imaginary explications and surely attempts to divert the topic :)
Berdych hits it very deep, Rafa just hits it in the air and lifts his finger as if to challenge. Stops playing, obviously. Bernardes calls it out, late. Berdych challenges, the ball is in, Bernardes very calmly explains to Rafa he called it late, so Rafa's stoppage of play counts - point Berdych.

Rafa gets a hissy-fit. Blatantly attempts to cheat and says his ball was in - as if it matters when he stopped play already. Goes to the supervisor, gets no love and then comes back to Bernardes and says "I don't want to play." Nearly sits down. Continues: "This is horrible/crazy what you are telling me."
What has this got to do with Fed cheating?
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating

Now now, settle down. Lets start our English class, shall we?

gamesmanship

the art or practice of winning games by questionable expedients

cheating

act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
...
"Nadal called for a trainer at 2-5 down against Federer with Federer serving during this [2011] year’s Roland Garros final and proceeded to win the set. This was nothing new for Federer, Nadal had done the same thing at ...Hamburg 2008...
You are wrong!

1) At the 2008 Hamburg Masters, Rafa took a MTO before his service game at 2-5 in the first set.

2) At the 2011 FO, Rafa had a medical treatment (the trainer put a bit talc on his foot) before his service game at 2 -5.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/jun/05/french-open-nadal-federer-live
 
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When the waitress asks if I want to pay cash or credit, I always reply credit as cash is trash. :D

Why would anyone want to take this cash clown seriously? ;)

If the Simbledon was as slow as it is now, I don't see how this clown was able to beat Lendl in the 1987 Fimbledon.:mad:
 
Clever defence but it doesn't work that way.

So for you Federer uses strategic MTOs but the others "supposedly" have done so. So you've already decided Fed's was fake but the others could all be genuine.

SImilarly, it doesn't matter how many thousand times Nadal has beaten Federer, Federer beat Nadal once so it's even Stevens, right ? 23 == 12 ?
But Fed actually acknowledged his MTO against Wawrinka was not due to any specific injury, which by definition makes it "strategic", doesn't it? ;)
 

gplracer

Hall of Fame
Cash is telling it as it is. The truth hurts.
I noticed you did not comment about Rafa taking too long between points....

What Cash said is opinion. Lets look at the facts:

Federer Grand Slam Accomplishments


18 men's singles titles overall

3 men's singles titles per-year 3 times 2004, 2006–07

2 men's singles titles per-year 5 times 2004–07, 2009

23 consecutive men's singles semifinals

28 men's singles finals overall

36 consecutive men's singles quarterfinals

41 men's singles semifinals overall

49 men's singles quarterfinals overall

Reached all 4 Grand Slam finals 3 times (2006–07, 2009)


302 weeks at World No.1 of the ATP rankings

237 consecutive weeks at World No.1 of the ATP rankings
 

gplracer

Hall of Fame
Do you find it odd that since the tour is more strict with regard to doping that Nadal has not done as well and lacks "pop" on his shots. I guess it is just a coincidence. No way it could be more than that.

Granted Federer and Nadal are two of the greatest players to ever play tennis. They each bring their unique style to the game. Both are great champions.
In my opinion, which obviously is not the opinion of others, Nadal is the king of clay. Federer is the king of the grandslams and consistency. Nadal's game play makes him very hard to beat on clay. Federer's all round mastery of all shots has helped him have a long career, win the most grand slams, the greatest consistency at grand slams, and have the most weeks at number one.
 
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Robert F

Semi-Pro
So steroids could be the answer.

Could the other answer be that these athletes usually play too much year round and their bodies are overworked? Hence those that play more balanced schedules can bring out better performances at select tournaments as opposed to grinding it week after week?

So both Nadal and Federer had more time off to be better recovered and trained for the tournament?

Also does the limited schedule the Williams' sisters play also suggest that sometimes less is better? Their longevity is amazing.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Bernardes had a history of overruling against Nadal no matter what.
Nadal left fuming by time violations
January 20, 2014
Nadal's usual ice-cool persona was tested by a series of time violations by chair umpire Eva Asderaki - and the Spaniard was particularly unhappy at the timing of the second, which came at 4-4, deuce in the third set.
It meant he forfeited his first serve and Nishikori went on to break.


The controversial call that left Nadal fuming
7Sport on January 27, 2017, 9:22 pm
Rafa Nadal remonstrated with the chair umpire and commentators were left puzzled over a rule that continues to divide opinion in the tennis world.


If anything, its Nadal who has a bad history with all chair umpires on time violations. This has nothing to do with Bernardes. Umpires just do their job.


Bonus point for you.

By BOB MCKENZIE
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Jun 27, 2014
"The referee was not going with the rules," said Rosol after losing despite being a set and a break up.
"He was taking too much time between the serves, not 30 seconds. It was one minute always."
 
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Candide

Hall of Fame
Why is this "gamesmanship"? A guy in his 36th year who's just had surgery, six months out of the sport and two brutal five set matches - what would be odd is if he didn't take a medical time out. I would guess that there is hardly a player on the tour who has taken fewer MTOs in his whole career than Federer. This is a transparent attempt by Cash to be provocative and drum up some interest in his "insights" and some kind of ongoing media role. The person he's really jealous of is not Federer but Todd Woodbridge who has worked really hard to develop himself a fine, insightful, professional and entertaining commentator. This is because Woodbridge is intelligent and humble whereas Cash is dumb and wildly egotistical and doomed to providing "colour" comments from time to time and no more.
 
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