Fed Called out for Cheating?!.
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clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Why should the referee be scared of Rafa?Opinion supported by facts in the same article. Is that so difficult for you to comprehend?
A lot of opinions staying the same until 2017 is so telling only to be proven by more facts.
For Example,
In 2010, Tomas Berdych said "It just shows how the referee is probably scared of him and just let him talk with him too long," world number six Berdych.
Fast forward to 2016.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Cash is telling it as it is. The truth hurts.
eagletennis
Semi-Pro
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
Gamesmanship is not cheating
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I was at the O2 for that match sitting right behind the umpire's chair and Bernardes had a history of overruling against Nadal no matter what. Bernardes overruled a call before Nadal struck the ball and when Berdych challenged and his ball was in, Bernardes should have let them play a let but he awarded Berdych the point because he felt guilty for overruling the call. Tom Barnes came on, and as usual, the ATP supervisor never disagrees with the umpire so Rafa protested, but at no point did Rafa sit down because had he done so he would have defaulted himself, so Berdych was making that up. Rafa did walk to his bench but he didn't actually sit down. If anyone should have been affected by that incident it was Rafa because Berdych was the one who was awarded the point.Opinion supported by facts in the same article. Is that so difficult for you to comprehend?
A lot of opinions staying the same until 2017 is so telling only to be proven by more facts.
For Example,
In 2010, Tomas Berdych said "It just shows how the referee is probably scared of him and just let him talk with him too long," world number six Berdych.
Fast forward to 2016.
AceSalvo
Legend
I dont care if you were behind NAdal's rear side, seriously.
You couldnt be more WRONG. It was NAdal who stopped the point, prompting Bernardes to call out. Berdych challenged. Berdych won the point because it was Nadal who stopped the point.
Bernardes was absolutely correct as always.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
It's because Carlos had a history of being unfair to Nadal.
AceSalvo
Legend
This is not what happened in the video. Care to explain. ?
Bernardes has no history of being unfair. He followed the rules.
AceSalvo
Legend
Diverting the topic with some sort of vitriol??
Urkezi
Semi-Pro
I'll explain what I see, just so you don't think you are crazy when you read out the ************* imaginary explications and surely attempts to divert the topic
Berdych hits it very deep, Rafa just hits it in the air and lifts his finger as if to challenge. Stops playing, obviously. Bernardes calls it out, late. Berdych challenges, the ball is in, Bernardes very calmly explains to Rafa he called it late, so Rafa's stoppage of play counts - point Berdych.
Rafa gets a hissy-fit. Blatantly attempts to cheat and says his ball was in - as if it matters when he stopped play already. Goes to the supervisor, gets no love and then comes back to Bernardes and says "I don't want to play." Nearly sits down. Continues: "This is horrible/crazy what you are telling me."
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
What has this got to do with Fed cheating?I'll explain what I see, just so you don't think you are crazy when you read out the ************* imaginary explications and surely attempts to divert the topic
Berdych hits it very deep, Rafa just hits it in the air and lifts his finger as if to challenge. Stops playing, obviously. Bernardes calls it out, late. Berdych challenges, the ball is in, Bernardes very calmly explains to Rafa he called it late, so Rafa's stoppage of play counts - point Berdych.
Rafa gets a hissy-fit. Blatantly attempts to cheat and says his ball was in - as if it matters when he stopped play already. Goes to the supervisor, gets no love and then comes back to Bernardes and says "I don't want to play." Nearly sits down. Continues: "This is horrible/crazy what you are telling me."
AceSalvo
Legend
Because it has everything to do with Nadal cheating. Simple enough!
AceSalvo
Legend
You sure took a lot of time to find a video titled "Federer TRIES". You dont even care about of the skyrocketing Unlike to Like ratio.
Urkezi
Semi-Pro
You do realize that the more you avoid the topic and the more you try to divert it, the sillier you look?
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Deleted member 512391
Guest
Sorry, it wasn't (almost) 10 minutes, check your sources.Fed was off the court for almost 10 minutes:
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
AceSalvo
Legend
Not here. Bernardes was absolutely correct here, as always.
so much false claims there.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
You are wrong!
1) At the 2008 Hamburg Masters, Rafa took a MTO before his service game at 2-5 in the first set.
2) At the 2011 FO, Rafa had a medical treatment (the trainer put a bit talc on his foot) before his service game at 2 -5.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/jun/05/french-open-nadal-federer-live
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Lendl and Federer Fan
Hall of Fame
When the waitress asks if I want to pay cash or credit, I always reply credit as cash is trash.
Why would anyone want to take this cash clown seriously?
If the Simbledon was as slow as it is now, I don't see how this clown was able to beat Lendl in the 1987 Fimbledon.
Why would anyone want to take this cash clown seriously?
If the Simbledon was as slow as it is now, I don't see how this clown was able to beat Lendl in the 1987 Fimbledon.
AceSalvo
Legend
Ok.
"The author" needs to do fact checking then.
Point is, this happens routinely. Did he have "scurry off the court" for an already bandaged toe? Its called "stalling".
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Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
http://tennispurist.blogspot.nl/2017/02/federers-fairy-tale-if-it-sounds-too.htmlThe tennis world has awaken to this:
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
I'm talking to Jazz_Hands exclusively here. Now, you are breaking my momentum. Shame on you.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
But Fed actually acknowledged his MTO against Wawrinka was not due to any specific injury, which by definition makes it "strategic", doesn't it?
Urkezi
Semi-Pro
It's nice to believe in fairy tales and Federer's run was one. But it's not real.
So it didn't happen? Because I am quite sure I saw it
In any case, you really have regressed really badly from a sort of a normal poster to a genuine ************* member in no time whatsoever. So sad to see what blind fanboyism does to people.
zagor
Bionic Poster
But Fed actually acknowledged his MTO against Wawrinka was not due to any specific injury, which by definition makes it "strategic", doesn't it?
Are you saying Fed's an honest cheat?
P.S. Good to see you again old boy.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I can sum it up in four words: They all do it...
gplracer
Hall of Fame
I noticed you did not comment about Rafa taking too long between points....
What Cash said is opinion. Lets look at the facts:
Federer Grand Slam Accomplishments
18 men's singles titles overall
3 men's singles titles per-year 3 times 2004, 2006–07
2 men's singles titles per-year 5 times 2004–07, 2009
23 consecutive men's singles semifinals
28 men's singles finals overall
36 consecutive men's singles quarterfinals
41 men's singles semifinals overall
49 men's singles quarterfinals overall
Reached all 4 Grand Slam finals 3 times (2006–07, 2009)
302 weeks at World No.1 of the ATP rankings
237 consecutive weeks at World No.1 of the ATP rankings
gplracer
Hall of Fame
Do you find it odd that since the tour is more strict with regard to doping that Nadal has not done as well and lacks "pop" on his shots. I guess it is just a coincidence. No way it could be more than that.
Granted Federer and Nadal are two of the greatest players to ever play tennis. They each bring their unique style to the game. Both are great champions.
In my opinion, which obviously is not the opinion of others, Nadal is the king of clay. Federer is the king of the grandslams and consistency. Nadal's game play makes him very hard to beat on clay. Federer's all round mastery of all shots has helped him have a long career, win the most grand slams, the greatest consistency at grand slams, and have the most weeks at number one.
Granted Federer and Nadal are two of the greatest players to ever play tennis. They each bring their unique style to the game. Both are great champions.
In my opinion, which obviously is not the opinion of others, Nadal is the king of clay. Federer is the king of the grandslams and consistency. Nadal's game play makes him very hard to beat on clay. Federer's all round mastery of all shots has helped him have a long career, win the most grand slams, the greatest consistency at grand slams, and have the most weeks at number one.
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So steroids could be the answer.
Could the other answer be that these athletes usually play too much year round and their bodies are overworked? Hence those that play more balanced schedules can bring out better performances at select tournaments as opposed to grinding it week after week?
So both Nadal and Federer had more time off to be better recovered and trained for the tournament?
Also does the limited schedule the Williams' sisters play also suggest that sometimes less is better? Their longevity is amazing.
chut
Professional
That's a nice catch here. Obviously, you'll never ever get the "i was wrong" reply from clayqueen, but it makes it even sweeter. I love how the "i was there so i know the facts" sentence looks suddenly totally dumb
AceSalvo
Legend
Nadal left fuming by time violations
January 20, 2014
Nadal's usual ice-cool persona was tested by a series of time violations by chair umpire Eva Asderaki - and the Spaniard was particularly unhappy at the timing of the second, which came at 4-4, deuce in the third set.
It meant he forfeited his first serve and Nishikori went on to break.
The controversial call that left Nadal fuming
7Sport on January 27, 2017, 9:22 pm
Rafa Nadal remonstrated with the chair umpire and commentators were left puzzled over a rule that continues to divide opinion in the tennis world.
If anything, its Nadal who has a bad history with all chair umpires on time violations. This has nothing to do with Bernardes. Umpires just do their job.
Bonus point for you.
By BOB MCKENZIE
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Jun 27, 2014
"The referee was not going with the rules," said Rosol after losing despite being a set and a break up.
"He was taking too much time between the serves, not 30 seconds. It was one minute always."
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Candide
Hall of Fame
Why is this "gamesmanship"? A guy in his 36th year who's just had surgery, six months out of the sport and two brutal five set matches - what would be odd is if he didn't take a medical time out. I would guess that there is hardly a player on the tour who has taken fewer MTOs in his whole career than Federer. This is a transparent attempt by Cash to be provocative and drum up some interest in his "insights" and some kind of ongoing media role. The person he's really jealous of is not Federer but Todd Woodbridge who has worked really hard to develop himself a fine, insightful, professional and entertaining commentator. This is because Woodbridge is intelligent and humble whereas Cash is dumb and wildly egotistical and doomed to providing "colour" comments from time to time and no more.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Ok.
"The author" needs to do fact checking then.
Point is, this happens routinely. Did he have "scurry off the court" for an already bandaged toe? Its called "stalling".
My point is that you were wrong. See the bold text in my previous post.
AceSalvo
Legend
Again, the "author" to that article was wrong.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
And there is nothing more to say about these lies.
AceSalvo
Legend
Nadal routinely takes MTO, even during the first set of many matches. This much is a FACT!
Pat Cash could care less about those and is worried only about Federer.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal routinely takes MTO, even during the first set of many matches. This much is a FACT!
Pat Cash could care less about those and is worried only about Federer.
The fact:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-out-for-cheating.582497/page-5#post-10973498
AceSalvo
Legend
Also a FACT.
2013:
http://www.latinospost.com/articles...mits-cheating-during-u-s-open-2013-tennis.htm
2010:
Nadal fined for receiving illegal coaching
ESPN staff
June 30, 2010
http://en.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/31805.html
But Pat Cash wont call him out. WHY?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
You should print that article as a poster and put it on the wall in your room (you have your own room, right?).
Lit some candles under it.
See if that will help you maintain your purpose here, Salty.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Sorry, it wasn't (almost) 10 minutes, check your sources.
Oh, didn't you know: the poster you are responding to vouches for principle approach, but that doesn't apply to her and her way of posting.
Inventing stories is her bread and butter.
The mask is long gone and this AO2017 is just the point of no return.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Sorry, it wasn't (almost) 10 minutes, check your sources.
It was (almost) 10 minutes during the match Fed vs Wawrinka:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-out-for-cheating.582497/page-5#post-10972672
