Fed fans: Were you happier after FO09 or AO17?

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
Australian Open for me.

But I'll add context as to why: In 2009, I was a pretty cocky Federer fan. I really didn't think he'd lose and remember not thinking of Soderling as a tricky opponent. I didn't really appreciate the magnitude of the situation. Conversely, for the Australian Open, I've become a lot less cocky as a Federer fan as I've grown up and matured. No matter how big a win streak he amasses versus Nadal/Djokovic, I'll always be nervous for their matches. Add in the fact that it had been an extremely long time since Federer won a major and many heartbreaking losses since the 2012 Wimbledon triumph, the Aussie win just felt like vindication. So many brutal losses, so many near major victories during the major drought. It felt great. Added greatness because of his opponent and how he did it, but just winning another major when it seemed so unlikely to ever happen again was amazing.
 

Jackuar

Hall of Fame
Honestly, both made me happy and relieved. Edit: The FO was 51 relief - 49 happiness; the AO was 49 relief - 51 happiness. The only way to split the tie would be to ask, "Which one would've been disappointing if not achieved" and in that sense, its the FO.
 
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nikdom

Guest
AO 17

Never been a big fan of clay court tennis. Federer had to climb that peak because really it was expected of him - the second best clay courter after Nadal with that missing link of RG in his resume’ wrt the whole GOAT debate - it had to be done just to get it over with.

But I much prefer the aggressive, fast court RF and this years AO being faster for a change meant a very satisfying tournament overall with beating Nadal in the finals as a cherry on top.

I’ve never once watched highlights of Roger’s clay court matches (just a few clips here and there of drop shots and FH slices) but I revisit his grass + HC matches from his prime all the time.
 
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nikdom

Guest
Not for me. Non factor in clay.
I’m the opposite. Clay sucks balls.

It might as well be a different sport as far as I’m concerned.

Now for a recreational player - young kids or old people - it’s easier to play on so I’ll give it that. No good for professional tennis.
 

roundiesee

Hall of Fame
Definitely FO 2009; what with the raindrops coming down at the victory presentation; the whole thing was so surreal! :)
 

fedfan39

Rookie
Way more happier with AO 2017.

In 2009, even if Fed hadn't won the FO, he was by all accounts looking to win 20+ slams and he would still get multiple opportunities to win the FO. Djokovic wasn't in the picture and people thought Nadal's grueling style would burn him out (it kinda did until Nadal resurrected in 2017).

AO 2017 - Fed beat Nadal at a GS (final too). Unless you were living under a rock, you know this just didn't happen a lot. This was Fed's first slam win in over 4 years, and it widened the slam count to 18-15 instead of 17-16. This was a way more important victory that set Federer to win 3 more times over Nadal, win the Wimby and come to a whisker of #1 again.

Still, for the historical context, both AO 2017 and FO 2009 are equally important for the single fact that Federer never won another FO and unless things shake up in 2018/19, it looks like he may never win one again. Because Fed's GS lead is still tenuous, he should focus on securing it for good, which means he will keep sacrificing FO and focus winning any of the other 3.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
In 2009, even if Fed hadn't won the FO, he was by all accounts looking to win 20+ slams and he would still get multiple opportunities to win the FO. Djokovic wasn't in the picture and people thought Nadal's grueling style would burn him out (it kinda did until Nadal resurrected in 2017).
Are we underrating the extent of the psychological damage that would have been done if Fed had lost 2009 FO though? At the time people were talking like his career was finished (after W08 and especially AO 09)- I think there's a scenario where he wouldn't have had the heart to keep going. He says in the original interview that that win has allowed him to be at peace for the rest of his career. Would we even have got AO 17 if he hadn't won FO09?
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
I’m the opposite. Clay sucks balls.

It might as well be a different sport as far as I’m concerned.

Now for a recreational player - young kids or old people - it’s easier to play on so I’ll give it that. No good for professional tennis.
I’ll leave you alone with your ignorance.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Australian Open for me.

But I'll add context as to why: In 2009, I was a pretty cocky Federer fan. I really didn't think he'd lose and remember not thinking of Soderling as a tricky opponent. I didn't really appreciate the magnitude of the situation. Conversely, for the Australian Open, I've become a lot less cocky as a Federer fan as I've grown up and matured. No matter how big a win streak he amasses versus Nadal/Djokovic, I'll always be nervous for their matches. Add in the fact that it had been an extremely long time since Federer won a major and many heartbreaking losses since the 2012 Wimbledon triumph, the Aussie win just felt like vindication. So many brutal losses, so many near major victories during the major drought. It felt great. Added greatness because of his opponent and how he did it, but just winning another major when it seemed so unlikely to ever happen again was amazing.
Yeah I mean comparing just final to final I suppose ao was more satisfying but feds French open journey to win that final slam was so stressful. So many times I didn't think he was going to make it
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
French open 2009 considering that was a major hole in his resume and he had been trying for a few years before that. I feel like people have recency goggles on or w/e and forget how nerve wracking fed's path was. AO was satisfying for a bunch of different reasons but one added to his legacy a lot more esp,given it was during his prime or close to it anyways
 

-NN-

G.O.A.T.
Probably AO 2017. It's easy to put on those silly nostalgia specs but I'm not going to fall for that trick!
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Just to have to add that fed not only completed the,career slam with fo he,also tied Pete at that slam which at the time was a big,deal. Kind,of neat,how both,nadal and fed tied,Pete at the French right after losing the Ao. In,any,case both are,fantastic memories but I think fo is just a,bit more special and fed himself tends to reference that win in saying he was at peace with his career after that. With that being said I watch the heck out of the ao 2017 5th set a,lot
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Definitely FO 2009; what with the raindrops coming down at the victory presentation; the whole thing was so surreal! :)
Omg yes,that,was,an,emotional ceremony and so well deserved. I think,who fed beat at ao is really influencing people but that major hole in his,resume was always the lack of french and he finally got it while tying beat. Plus based on feds interviews he also regards that win,highly and has referenced that,win when talking about being at peace with his career. Plus man people forget but the match threads,were crazy here,but in an enjoyable way.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Just to have to add that fed not only completed the,career slam with fo he,also tied Pete at that slam which at the time was a big,deal. Kind,of neat,how both,nadal and fed tied,Pete at the French right after losing the Ao. In,any,case both are,fantastic memories but I think fo is just a,bit more special and fed himself tends to reference that win in saying he was at peace with his career after that. With that being said I watch the heck out of the ao 2017 5th set a,lot
It would be perfect if Djokovic equals Sampras next year at the French. :);)
 

Surion

Hall of Fame
Absolute and big no. Without Federer winning RG09 there is almost no GOAT discussion to begin with.
Why?
It would still be 18 vs. 16 and the guy denying him an RG would be the guy owning ten of them.

There would be a legit discussion, definitely.
Right now, there isn't one.
 

TheAssassin

Legend
Not my favorite player but damn I absolutely enjoyed watching both of his journeys to those titles. Both rollercoasters but he just wasn't going to be denied.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Yes it would... :);):cool:

Why wait until 2019, when 2018 can do it all? :)
Actually, if Fed doesn't win AO 18 I'd be reasonably happy to see Djoko take it. Whilst Nole fans can strike me as a bit paranoid the AO twitter feed this year has basically acted like the tournament is an extension of Federer's business empire so I've actually had a bit of sympathy for once. A seventh title would be a suitable revenge.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
Not my favorite player but damn I absolutely enjoyed watching both of his journeys to those titles. Both rollercoasters but he just wasn't going to be denied.
It's beyond my comprehension how some people can say that Fedr is not his or her favorite player.:D
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
AO17 final was a big match. The Eternal Goat Decider.
Yup, lest we forget "No Excuses" theread by 90s Clay!

Seriously, I was so happy to see Federer winning FO in 09, but I guess I kind of expected more was on the way after that. However, before AO 17, I was just happy to see Federer come back and did not expect him to win at all. That made me happier for Federer than any other moments of his career, including Wimbledon 17.
 

TheAssassin

Legend
It's beyond my comprehension how some people can say that Fedr is not his or her favorite player.:D
I actually like Fed a lot. :) It's just that in almost every generation there was someone I liked even more than him. He is unlucky not to have my support more often, but certainly not as unlucky as most of my favorites who had to compete with him regularly. :D
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Happy? Australia.
Relived? French.
That's it for me as well. And once Rafa lost in 2009 and Fed saved the Haas match with the inside out FH, I expected him to take the title.

At the 2017 AO final, I certainly didn't expect Roger to make the final or to come back from a break down in the fifth to do it. Against Nadal!
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
I actually like Fed a lot. :) It's just that in almost every generation there was someone I liked even more than him. He is unlucky not to have my support more often, but certainly not as unlucky as most of my favorites who had to compete with him regularly. :D
I think anyone would have had to be quite hard-hearted not to feel a bit of pleasure for Fed in 2009. Even Nadal claimed it made him emotional. http://www.marca.com/2014/06/06/en/more_sports/1402072945.html Always wondered if that affected Soderling a bit.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
As a Fed fan, nothing beats this:

2017 Fed vs Rafa: 4 - 0

Winning over Rafa in two ATP100 finals and a slam final? Icing on the cake.
 
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