Fed fans, what do you think of Fed’s current form?
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Deon Sanders
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He is going to hop and skip into the semis of the real slam and has been not really that worse than years past
He is just fine but not peak
He is just fine but not peak
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Freuderer.
Plamen1234
Hall of Fame
His form drops during the matches these year.He cant keep the high level during the whole match.Look the match against Mayer - superb first set and in the second his form dropped.The same thing happened in the match with Anderson at Wimbledon.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
It has been always an issue for federer..
That's why I never be so sure for fed's victory unless he has won..
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Plamen1234
Hall of Fame
Yeah Absolutely agree.When it was 5-1 for Federer in the TB I was still nervous,had feeling that Fed wont win the TB so easily.
Devin
Professional
"As a Fed fan"
Badabing888
Hall of Fame
Agree with the level within matches has dropped in the ones I’ve seen him play.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Fedr
True Fanerer
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Fed only gave Mayer one breadstick, so he SUCKED. Failed to give Wawrinka a breadstick in the decider. Let him get 2 whole games 
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HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Goat issues, no?
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
As a Nad fan, I hope Fognini is in the other half.
ak24alive
Legend
Sorry Sir but Mayer and Wawrinka defeated themselves. Rog is playing sh*t. No debate here. Hopefully he lifts his game now.Fed only gave Mayer one breadstick, so he SUCKED. Failed to give Wawrinka a breadstick in the decider. Let him get 2 whole games
0 BH winners against Mayer. The BH is gone. Never to come back.
31 winners to 48 UEs against Stan.
56% first serve in. Less than 50% in the first set.
Stan was playing so bad that Roger servebotted on second serves. His numbers are inflated. Needs to be hit with a club in the head and be sent to practice some shots.
Won't win USO this way. Has to do something special.
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flanker2000fr
Hall of Fame
Sorry Sir but Mayer and Wawrinka defeated themselves. Rog is playing sh*t. No debate here. Hopefully he lifts his game now.
0 BH winners against Mayer. The BH is gone. Never to come back.
31 winners to 48 UEs against Stan.
56% first serve in. Less than 50% in the first set.
Stan was playing so bad that Roger servebotted on second serves. His numbers are inflated. Needs to be hit with a club in the head and be sent to practice some shots.
Won't win USO this way. Has to do something special.
Wow, didn't know we had luminaries who could see the future on this forum.
True Fanerer
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Everyone expects too much from Fed. He's a 37 year old that just played two matches in one day and come out on top. There's not anyone else in the world capable of having his UE to Winners ratio and still win the match. Can't GOAT every match.Sorry Sir but Mayer and Wawrinka defeated themselves. Rog is playing sh*t. No debate here. Hopefully he lifts his game now.
0 BH winners against Mayer. The BH is gone. Never to come back.
31 winners to 48 Uses against Stan.
56% first serve in. Less the 50% in the first serve.
Stan was playing so bad that Roger servebotted on second serves. His numbers are inflated. Needs to be hit by club in the head and be sent to practice some shots.
Won't win USO this way. Has to do something special.
ak24alive
Legend
Yeah. I am talking about THE NEO BH. Have you seen it lately? Have you seen it since Shanghai last year?
If yes then tell me. I am more than happy to change my opinion on this one. Afterall I want Rog to win.
And please don't give me 5 shots in a match. He was hitting 5 of such BHs in a rally in early 2017.
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Deleted member 688153
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Him even being out there is enough for me.
Tight match with Stan today, entertaining viewing
Tight match with Stan today, entertaining viewing
ak24alive
Legend
Sorry to be so hard on the Maestro but I think we are talking USO here. Maestro is special. Even with this form he will reach Semis and quarters everywhere. Not gonna win mate.
He has to be hard on himself. Remember this?: "if I can't stand for 5 months it's okay with me but I'll give my everything."
True Fanerer
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Rafa also had a tight match with Stan and was down a break in the 2nd to him. If Stan had served that out at 5-4, then TTW could be singing a different tune.
AO 2017.
The UO hasn't started yet my friend
nochweiterroger
Rookie
But this also used to happen some years ago. I can't actually think of an example, but I know they exist. He would start off playing almost too well and then fade.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Fed has been pretty good but with some sudden drop offs for various reasons. His Wimbledon form was real nice, but fell off a cliff after the slippage vs Anderson. You just can't really go by form these days, you have to take the day as it comes, which brings its own tension and excitement.
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Deleted member 742196
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Sorry Sir but Mayer and Wawrinka defeated themselves. Rog is playing sh*t. No debate here. Hopefully he lifts his game now.
0 BH winners against Mayer. The BH is gone. Never to come back.
31 winners to 48 UEs against Stan.
56% first serve in. Less than 50% in the first set.
Stan was playing so bad that Roger servebotted on second serves. His numbers are inflated. Needs to be hit with a club in the head and be sent to practice some shots.
Won't win USO this way. Has to do something special.
As one of the few people here I can honestly and in detail, discuss Fed (and tennis) with, where do you see his mental game at?
Third set yesterday, Fed was returning well - that’s about the only optimistic takeaway I got from last night’s match.
First two sets I saw Fed being pushed around by Wawarinka. After the messed volley in the first set tiebreaker grumpy Fed showed up again.
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Being able to grind out a somewhat ugly win when he’s not at his best against a pretty good opponent is promising
TheMaestro1990
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Not good enough. Will not win the US Open I think.
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Deleted member 754093
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Needs a favorable draw and to catch fire. I think he’ll either lose at the quarters again or win it all
But even his mediocre level is enough to stay in it against the majority of the field. And I think he’ll show up more if he’s facing a really good opponent
ak24alive
Legend
Yeah I totally agree. Its the third set that inflated his numbers. Maybe others won't understand it but my only concern is watching Fed pick up some kind of rythym. A free flowing game where if he gets outplayed it's a different matter. But I don't want him to beat himself. I want him to hit those topspin BHs rather than the slice. I want less unforced errors. Because if he wants to win USO he is going to need those things. Nadalovic will exploit the weaknesses. They are intelligent tennis players capable of mid match adjustments unlike most players these days.
So maybe that's why I am judging Roger's game too hard.
And to answer the question about the mental game, I don't think he is too high on confidence as of now.
When you see Fed talking to himself a lot you know he is battling with himself, trying hard not to implode. That's not the confident Roger I like to see. But maybe it's too early to judge his mental game. Maybe if he wins Cincy it will instill a sense of confidence in him going forward in the Open.
He has been the same since Miami. Grumpy, not sure when to approach the net, not going much for the lines hence hesitant.
I think his Cincy chances are still high but who cares about that. Its the USO that's the deal. Hopefully Fed the winner machine shows up today.
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AnOctorokForDinner
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In brief terms: Roger is serving very well, the foundation of his game in recent years. Everything else is shaky and has been that way since Wimbledon last year (barring the wondeful Shanghai performance). Anyone capable of consistently returning those serves and making him rally can fancy his chances.
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I thought the Wawrinka match was pretty high standard.
Sure he blew a few chances in the first set. Not the best we have ever seen him play but not bad against a Wawrinka who is finding his form again.
Let’s acknowledge that he made mistakes in 2004-2007 and even lost the occasional set then too.
Sure he blew a few chances in the first set. Not the best we have ever seen him play but not bad against a Wawrinka who is finding his form again.
Let’s acknowledge that he made mistakes in 2004-2007 and even lost the occasional set then too.
ak24alive
Legend
I disagree. Oh wait that's your job.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
I think we feel this way because of countless chokes from Roger when he’s in the winning position. I am positive there’s never been any other player who has lost so many many matches when holding MP or multiple MP’s. There have been two such matches this year.
I’m still ticked off about the IW final against Del Po!
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Deleted member 742196
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Thanks.
Feel much the same way.
Along with most of what you’ve already iterated I feel another problem seems to be a return to his mindset during break opportunities and important moments. In the first two sets he had several chances to break and was passive, trying to elicit the error for the break.
Why?
40-15 up is the time to be aggressive.
It’s vexing seeing his mental issues. The grumpiness, the lack of aggression in critical moments, and yeah, this year, lack of competitive fire.
To me RF at this point is a celebrity who also happens to be an exceptionally gifted tennis player. While that’ll get him deep into tournaments, it won’t get him through the challenging circumstances.
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FedHeadComposer
Rookie
Well he is clearly in better form than he was at the same point last year.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
It was miserable. It sucked. It was terrible.
Besides that, it was fine.
Besides that, it was fine.
Pheasant
Legend
I just read an article from March after he blew match points against Delpo. I don't think anybody has lost as many matches as Fed has after having match points. I'd be amazed. As of March 20th, 2018, Federer lost a whopping 19 matches in which he held match points. Nadal lost 7, Murray 5, and Djoker only 2. Wow!!!
Here are Fed's 19 losses in which he held match points(as of March 20th, 2018):
2000 – Henman 2MP (Vienna SF, 6-2 6-7 3-6)
2001 – Rafter 1MP (Halle QF, 6-4 6-7 6-7)
2002 – Haas 1MP (Australian Open R16, 6-7 6-4 6-3 4-6 6-8)
2003 – Albert Costa 3MP (Miami QF, 6-7 6-4 6-7)
2005 – Safin 1MP (Australian Open 2005, 7-5 4-6 7-5 6-7 7-9)
2005 – Gasquet 3MP (Monte-Carlo QF, 7-6 2-6 6-7)
2006 – Nadal 2MP (Rome 2006 F, 7-6 6-7 4-6 6-2 6-7)
2010 – Baghdatis 3MP (Indian Wells R32, 7-5 5-7 6-7)
2010 – Berdych 1MP (Miami R16, 4-6 7-6 6-7)
2010 – Djokovic 2MP (US Open SF, 7-5 1-6 7-5 2-6 5-7)
2010 – Monfils 5MP (Bercy SF, 6-7 7-6 6-7)
2011 – Djokovic 2MP (US Open SF, 7-6 6-4 3-6 2-6 5-7)
2013 – Berdych 3MP (Dubai SF, 6-3 6-7 4-6)
2014 – Chardy 1MP (Rome R32, 6-1 3-6 6-7)
2015 – Kyrgios 2MP (Rome R32, 7-6 6-7 6-7)
2016 – Thiem 2MP (Stuttgart SF, 6-3 6-7 4-6)
2017 – Donskoy 3MP (Dubai R16, 6-3 6-7 6-7)
2017 – Haas 1MP (Stuttgart R16, 6-2 6-7 4-6)
2018 – del Potro 3MP (Indian Wells F, 4-6 7-6 6-7)
Fed has blown many more of these as he's gotten older and away from his peak years. What's amazing is that 2 out of Fed's 5 losses last year were matches where he had match points.
Fed is my favorite player, which is why I have way more gray hair than I should. I'd probably still have a full head of black hair if Djoker
To answer the OP's question, Fed at times looks invincible. He's moving quite well for an old guy. I'm quite pleased with his movement. He's also serving quite well. But his return of 2nd serves has me scratching my head. Most of Stan's 2nd serves were well below 100 mph. And they were quite predictable, yet he got away with it until the 3rd set. So Fed shows stints of incredible play and other stints of playing like a guy ranked outside the top 100. Sometimes, he looks 27, and other times, he looks 47. Despite Fed's wild swings in his levels of play, he's still dangerous. And he's still very entertaining to watch.
Here are Fed's 19 losses in which he held match points(as of March 20th, 2018):
2000 – Henman 2MP (Vienna SF, 6-2 6-7 3-6)
2001 – Rafter 1MP (Halle QF, 6-4 6-7 6-7)
2002 – Haas 1MP (Australian Open R16, 6-7 6-4 6-3 4-6 6-8)
2003 – Albert Costa 3MP (Miami QF, 6-7 6-4 6-7)
2005 – Safin 1MP (Australian Open 2005, 7-5 4-6 7-5 6-7 7-9)
2005 – Gasquet 3MP (Monte-Carlo QF, 7-6 2-6 6-7)
2006 – Nadal 2MP (Rome 2006 F, 7-6 6-7 4-6 6-2 6-7)
2010 – Baghdatis 3MP (Indian Wells R32, 7-5 5-7 6-7)
2010 – Berdych 1MP (Miami R16, 4-6 7-6 6-7)
2010 – Djokovic 2MP (US Open SF, 7-5 1-6 7-5 2-6 5-7)
2010 – Monfils 5MP (Bercy SF, 6-7 7-6 6-7)
2011 – Djokovic 2MP (US Open SF, 7-6 6-4 3-6 2-6 5-7)
2013 – Berdych 3MP (Dubai SF, 6-3 6-7 4-6)
2014 – Chardy 1MP (Rome R32, 6-1 3-6 6-7)
2015 – Kyrgios 2MP (Rome R32, 7-6 6-7 6-7)
2016 – Thiem 2MP (Stuttgart SF, 6-3 6-7 4-6)
2017 – Donskoy 3MP (Dubai R16, 6-3 6-7 6-7)
2017 – Haas 1MP (Stuttgart R16, 6-2 6-7 4-6)
2018 – del Potro 3MP (Indian Wells F, 4-6 7-6 6-7)
Fed has blown many more of these as he's gotten older and away from his peak years. What's amazing is that 2 out of Fed's 5 losses last year were matches where he had match points.
Fed is my favorite player, which is why I have way more gray hair than I should. I'd probably still have a full head of black hair if Djoker
To answer the OP's question, Fed at times looks invincible. He's moving quite well for an old guy. I'm quite pleased with his movement. He's also serving quite well. But his return of 2nd serves has me scratching my head. Most of Stan's 2nd serves were well below 100 mph. And they were quite predictable, yet he got away with it until the 3rd set. So Fed shows stints of incredible play and other stints of playing like a guy ranked outside the top 100. Sometimes, he looks 27, and other times, he looks 47. Despite Fed's wild swings in his levels of play, he's still dangerous. And he's still very entertaining to watch.
Tennisgods
Hall of Fame
Clearly worse. But still pretty damn good!
Tennisgods
Hall of Fame
I should add that his return game continues to decline in my opinion. Will seriously limit his effectiveness in big events.
I reckon he’s won his last slam now, but can remain competitive in Masters and the like.
I reckon he’s won his last slam now, but can remain competitive in Masters and the like.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Rafa also had a tight match with Stan and was down a break in the 2nd to him. If Stan had served that out at 5-4, then TTW could be singing a different tune.
AO 2017.
The UO hasn't started yet my friend
Talking about Feds current form and you refer to the past.
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