Terry Tibbs
Hall of Fame
FO title which would obviously include beating Nadal on the way or another Wimbledon title?
8 W's is awesome, but that one RG bothers me. Plus, doing it by beating Nadal would be awesome. Even just winning the semi would be better than winning wimbledon.
8 W's is awesome, but that one RG bothers me. Plus, doing it by beating Nadal would be awesome. Even just winning the semi would be better than winning wimbledon.
Okay, it wouldn't be better. But give me this french and I would never ask for another win.
Okay, I would.
FO title which would obviously include beating Nadal on the way or another Wimbledon title?
Is this even a decision? Double Grand Slam or another loss to Nadal?
FO Title or Wimbledon & US Open would be a choice.
8 W's is awesome, but that one RG bothers me. Plus, doing it by beating Nadal would be awesome. Even just winning the semi would be better than winning wimbledon.
What wouldn't poor ol' Pete give to be 'bothered' by one RG title?![]()
Sampras probably has never even thought about clay tennis in over a decade. You think he has watches one RG match since retiring? That would be a great interview question ha.
Only the Nadal haters who stupidly trash clay court tennis would choose another Wimbledon.
The most prestigious tournament in the world or a tournament that can't even afford lights let alone a roof?
If he wins another uso he also becomes the leader there in terms of total slams and would have two tournaments where had the most slams on the mens side I believe. People only put so much on fo because they like the idea of beating nadal but w/e his 1st one was valuable and will always be.Another Wimbledon easily, it's the slam, always has been.
Heck as a Fed fan I'd even take another USO before FO if given the choice.
If he wins another uso he also becomes the leader there in terms of total slams and would have two tournaments where had the most slams on the mens side I believe. People only put so much on fo because they like the idea of beating nadal but w/e his 1st one was valuable and will always be.
Sure, there's that but also just that it's one of the weirdest results in tennis for me how Fed didn't another USO after his brilliant run there at his peak. If there's one place Fed really underachieved, it's there. Granted, it's not compltetely his fault, they did slow down the surface (especially the last few years) which likely didn't help his chances.
Personally, I've always viewed FO as something Fed needed to complete the set (and that 2009 win was special no doubt) but as a slam it always paled in comparison to Wimbledon that follows shortly after it. That was my opinion long before Fed won his first Wimbledon as well, which is a bit hard for Nadal fans (or many younger fans of the game in general) to understand as they view everything through Fedal rivalry lense.
Sure, I'd love to see Fed beat Nadal today just to see the internet explode but not any more so than I'd like to see Fed beat Nadal in any other slam.
I think this is obvious, the better question would be FO defeating Djokovic-Nadal back to back at old age on his worse surface after not playing for years and double career slamFO title which would obviously include beating Nadal on the way or another Wimbledon title?
So you are Nadal fanWimbledon is where it is at.
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How about this or W-USO double?Fed finally beating Rafa at RG and winning the French, which would probably mean beating Novak in the final too, at this stage of Roger's career, would mean more than even a 9th Wimbledon title.
It would also mean he'd have won all the Slams at least twice. It would be a massive boost to his legacy.
A Major is a Major, and Wimbledon is first among equals, so you are incorrect about "mean more". Federer has nothing to prove as far as his game is concerned. The "win something at least twice" is in the same ballpark with "golden Masters" and other BS. It won't significantly alter his legacy either way.
I get it that some people want to push for the improbable scenario being better, so that they can gloat at the outcome, but those people have to understand that that only happens in their heads.
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How about this or W-USO double?
But what would you pick?That would be great as well, but let's not be too greedy!
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But what would you pick?
double career slam winning RG beating clay goat RAfa and NOle back to back at old age on his worse surface after 3 years absence including beating three FO champions or W-USO double?
It's very hard for me to choose.
From number of titles point of view it will mean exactly the same and that is what matters the most for the legacy. Winning RG for a second time is juxtaposed to winning Wimbledon for the 9th time, and I would rather have him win 9th Wimbledon than win a second RG.
Noone is having delusions that if he wins RG it will be against top flight Nadal/Djokovic, so that is also a moot point. He will prove that he is exceptional tennis player yet again, but we already know that. Federer did what he had to do for his legacy in the last 5 years where it mattered most, so this choice is irrelevant.
Of course that is also only my opinion.
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I didn't say "current top flight tennis players". I said "top flight Nadal/Djokovic".
"Top flight Nadal/Djokovic" means "some of the best versions of Nadal/Djokovic". If Federer beats them back to back at almost 38 you better have other explanation than "Federer is just too good". Nadal's clay court game is inherently better than Federer's and Djokovic's is on par with Federer's. Given the age difference no meaningful conclusions about their legacies on the surface will be made even if Federer does the unthinkable.
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So, you agree that all of those players are possibly far from their best games on the surface, but somehow a win over any of them would be significant for the legacy of the player in question? Isn't that your contention: that a win at RG is preferable over Wimbly because supposedly it will add something to Federer's legacy. What is that something, if he faced and beat sub-par Nadal?
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Sure, there's that but also just that it's one of the weirdest results in tennis for me how Fed didn't another USO after his brilliant run there at his peak. If there's one place Fed really underachieved, it's there. Granted, it's not compltetely his fault, they did slow down the surface (especially the last few years) which likely didn't help his chances.
Personally, I've always viewed FO as something Fed needed to complete the set (and that 2009 win was special no doubt) but as a slam it always paled in comparison to Wimbledon that follows shortly after it. That was my opinion long before Fed won his first Wimbledon as well, which is a bit hard for Nadal fans (or many younger fans of the game in general) to understand as they view everything through Fedal rivalry lense.
Sure, I'd love to see Fed beat Nadal today just to see the internet explode but not any more so than I'd like to see Fed beat Nadal in any other slam.
Because he was never dominated by any of his contemporaries all time greats of clay.What wouldn't poor ol' Pete give to be 'bothered' by one RG title?![]()
Because he was never dominated by any of his contemporaries all time greats of clay.
OK, maybe he was lucky he was not that good on clay to have a chance to play them on clay big tournaments.
And I am taking your concept further.What I meant was that he is missing a Slam from his resumé unlike the 3 best players of today.