Fed-Nadal H2H hybrid

[Technology Ruined Tennis]

I thought of a hybrid metric for the much debated H2H of Fed-Nadal. Looking back at every tournament that they both participated in, if only one got to the round where they were supposed to meet that player would get the h2h hybrid win.

So in RG 2013 Nadal gets the win since Fed did not make it to the final. An actual h2h victory would count as double.

So who wants to go back and do the math?

 

[aldeayeah]

That looks really tedious, you have to actually check the draw and that info isn't easily available for some tournaments. But to do it for the slams/masters/WTF seems feasible.

 

[aldeayeah]

The man who beat the man who beat Rafa Nadal

Let's do it for the Slams they both entered.

I slightly changed this part:

if only one got to the round where they were supposed to meet that player would get the h2h hybrid win.

I made it so the "h2h hybrid win" is only awarded if the player won at the round they were supposed to meet.

Otherwise you have weird situations like USO 2009 or USO 2011 in which the same players defeat Nadal and Federer in a row, and you give points to the one that was beaten last. Under my rules, that would be a draw.

Also, hybrid H2H doesn't really describe what it is. Let's call it transitive H2H (if I beat the guy that beat the guy that beat you, it's a win for me). Direct wins are worth 1 point, transitive wins are worth 0.5 points.

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2003 Wimbledon - potential meeting in SF - Federer W Nadal 3R // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Roddick d. Srichaphan d. Nadal]
2003 US Open - potential meeting in QF - Federer 4R Nadal 2R // Draw
2004 AO - potential meeting in 4R - Federer W Nadal 3R // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Hewitt d. Nadal]
2004 USO - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal 2R // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Hewitt d. Johansson d. Roddick d. Nadal]
2005 AO - potential meeting in F - Federer SF Nadal 4R // Draw
2005 RG - potential meeting in SF - Nadal W Federer SF // +1 Nadal [Nadal d. Federer]
2005 Wimbledon - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal 2R // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Roddick d. Johansson d. Nalbandian d. Gasquet d. Muller d. Nadal]
2005 USO - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal 3R // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Agassi d. Blake d. Nadal]
2006 RG - potential meeeting in F - Nadal W Federer F // +1 Nadal [Nadal d. Federer]
2006 Wimbledon - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal F // +1 Federer [Federer d. Nadal]
2006 USO - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal QF // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Roddick d. Youzhny d. Nadal]
2007 AO - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal QF // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Gonzalez d. Nadal]
2007 RG - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer F // +1 Nadal [Nadal d. Federer]
2007 Wimbledon - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal F // +1 Federer [Federer d. Nadal]
2007 USO - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal 4R // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Djokovic d. Ferrer d. Nadal]
2008 AO - potential meeting in F - Federer SF Nadal SF // Draw
2008 RG - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer F // +1 Nadal [Nadal d. Federer]
2008 Wimbledon - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer F // +1 Nadal [Nadal d. Federer]
2008 USO - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal SF // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Murray d. Nadal]
2009 AO - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer F // +1 Nadal [Nadal d. Federer]
2009 FO - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal 4R // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Soderling d. Nadal]
2009 USO - potential meeting in F - Federer F Nadal SF // Draw
2010 AO - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal QF // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Murray d. Nadal]
2010 RG - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer QF // +0.5 Nadal [Nadal d. Soderling d. Federer]
2010 Wimbledon - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer QF // +0.5 Nadal [Nadal d. Berdych d. Federer]
2010 USO - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer SF // +0.5 Nadal [Nadal d. Djokovic d. Federer]
2011 AO - potential meeting in F - Nadal F Federer SF // Draw
2011 RG - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer F // +1 Nadal [Nadal d. Federer]
2011 Wimbledon - potential meeting in F - Nadal F Federer QF // Draw
2011 USO - potential meeting in F - Nadal F Federer SF // Draw
2012 AO - potential meeting in SF - Nadal F Federer SF // +1 Nadal [Nadal d. Federer]
2012 RG - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer SF // +0.5 Nadal [Nadal d. Djokovic d. Federer]
2012 Wimbledon - potential meeting in F - Federer W Nadal 2R // +0.5 Federer [Federer d. Murray d. Tsonga d. Kohlschreiber d. Rosol]
2013 RG - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer QF // +0.5 Nadal [Nadal d. Ferrer d. Tsonga d. Federer]
2013 Wimbledon - potential meeting in QF - Federer 2R Nadal 1R // Draw
2013 USO - potential meeting in QF - Nadal W Federer 4R // +0.5 Nadal [Nadal d. Robredo d. Federer]
2014 AO - potential meeting in SF - Nadal F Federer SF // +1 Nadal [Nadal d. Federer]
2014 RG - potential meeting in F - Nadal W Federer 4R // +0.5 Nadal [Nadal d. Djokovic d. Gulbis d. Federer]

Transitive Slam H2H as of 2014 RG: Federer 8 - Nadal 12.5
Slam H2H as of 2014 RG: Federer 2 - Nadal 9

 

[Noleberic123]

this is a very interesting way to count the h2h but I don't think it tells us anything,

 

[aldeayeah]

I included the "chain of victories" leading from one to the other in the slams in which it applies.

This is just a curiosity; it isn't meant to tell anything.

Perhaps it makes Fed looks a bit better, since he beat the guys that beat Nadal more often than the opposite. Although as Fed declines, the trend inverts.

EDIT: If we gave "transitive wins" the same value as "direct wins", the slam H2H would be Federer 14-16 Nadal