Fedal anti-tiebreak statement

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
In the last 4 matches between Federer and Nadal, not a single tiebreak was played. The last tiebreak was in the first set of AO 14. This means they played 14 consecutive sets without reaching a tiebreak, which is a record in their rivalry. Longest previous stretch was 12 sets, from AO 12 (fourth set) till WTF 13 (second set).

In the early years of their rivalry they couldn't go more than two matches without a tiebreak. What changed? I think this little stat deserves further investigation by the notable members of TTW.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
In the last 4 matches between Federer and Nadal, not a single tiebreak was played. The last tiebreak was in the first set of AO 14. This means they played 14 consecutive sets without reaching a tiebreak, which is a record in their rivalry. Longest previous stretch was 12 sets, from AO 12 (fourth set) till WTF 13 (second set).

In the early years of their rivalry they couldn't go more than two matches without a tiebreak. What changed? I think this little stat deserves further investigation by the notable members of TTW.
Fed stopped choking on BPs ?
 

Jackuar

Hall of Fame
I actually wanted to also add 'and he stopped chipping the BH return on BPs' . That also broadly came under the choking category because he didn't have the confidence to do anything else.
Indeed. I saw the chipping in Wimby; it is still there but now its coming out of strategy/need rather than lack of confidence. And its no longer the default return and he's using it lesser than previously. The better return comes more times than previous years and he's taking it back at the server whenever the opportunity presents which is good. The chip appears to be a standard thing even now, but I'm not complaining because its no longer a reflection of his low confidence.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
The latest stretch is kind of explainable because the pattern went from a dominant Nadal to a dominant Federer without any intermediate step.

Of course this doesn’t explain why a match like this year’s Australian Open final (where both players had their moments of great play) didn’t went to a tiebreak. But one of those matches is just coincidence I would say.
 

ibbi

Legend
I feel like when Federer is the more comfortable and on top in the rivalry there are less tie breaks? I could be way off there, but I'm sure they've played very few tie breaks during their indoor matches?
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
I feel like when Federer is the more comfortable and on top in the rivalry there are less tie breaks? I could be way off there, but I'm sure they've played very few tie breaks during their indoor matches?
That's the thing. Fed always has lots of BPs in their matches. Whether or not he takes them decides the match.
 

Enigma_87

Professional
Federer is much more aggressive against Nadal on BP's these days. This coupled with the improved backhand and the serve(especially 2nd) is the reason for the 4 wins in a row.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
In the last 4 matches between Federer and Nadal, not a single tiebreak was played. The last tiebreak was in the first set of AO 14. This means they played 14 consecutive sets without reaching a tiebreak, which is a record in their rivalry. Longest previous stretch was 12 sets, from AO 12 (fourth set) till WTF 13 (second set).

In the early years of their rivalry they couldn't go more than two matches without a tiebreak. What changed? I think this little stat deserves further investigation by the notable members of TTW.
It's more an anomaly than anything I'd say, but I'd also point out that it kind of coincides with one player "owning" the rivalry at a given time. Between 2012-2014 Nadal dominated (except for IW 2012) and his level was so much higher than Federer's that TB's weren't needed, and now Federer's level is a fair bit higher than Nadal's so the same is true in reverse. The AO 2017 Final had serious fluctuations in level for both guys in all the sets individually anyway, and apart from a few instances here and there, when these guys play a TB it usually means their levels are close to one another.
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
I feel like when Federer is the more comfortable and on top in the rivalry there are less tie breaks? I could be way off there, but I'm sure they've played very few tie breaks during their indoor matches?
True, they have never played a tiebreak indoors, Fed usually owning Nadal there. They played loads of tiebreaks in there grass and clay meetings back in 2006/2007.
 
Why does Nadal seem to always win the TB vs Fed???
Because you're a bullzie. The "TB H2H" is 11-10 Nadal, much better than overall H2H.

Nadal did win 5 of the last 6 TBs vs Federer, but even that was long ago (the last TB they played occured in AO 14, the second-to-last one in AO 12), so no recency bias excuse can be accepted. ;)

Surface TB breakdown for fun:

Clay: 6-3 Nadal
Grass: 5-1 Federer
HC: 4-2 Nadal
 

malbaker86

Hall of Fame
Because you're a bullzie. The "TB H2H" is 11-10 Nadal, much better than overall H2H.

Nadal did win 5 of the last 6 TBs vs Federer, but even that was long ago (the last TB they played occured in AO 14, the second-to-last one in AO 12), so no recency bias excuse can be accepted. ;)

Surface TB breakdown for fun:

Clay: 6-3 Nadal
Grass: 5-1 Federer
HC: 4-2 Nadal
Thanks for the research. I think the recent TB wins for Rafa is what stood out to me more than anything. Thanks for the insight and info

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As for the awpee inquiry, the real cause is the prevalence of BO3 matches.

Fedull BO5 H2H: 4-11, BO5 TB H2H: 9-10

Fedull BO3 H2H: 10-12, BO3 TB H2H: 1-1

They just don't play tiebreaks in BO3 matches - guess it has to do with less intensity/fight.

No TBs in the AO 17 final was an anomaly, and that's it.
 
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