Fedalovic Matchups At Each Slam

King No1e

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#1
Federer vs Nadal
Nadal at AO and RG, Federer at W and USO

Nadal vs Djokovic
Djokovic at AO, Nadal at RG, tied at W and USO

Federer vs Djokovic
Djokovic at AO and RG, Federer at W and USO

How do you think they match up at each Grand Slam?
 
#2
Federer vs Nadal
Nadal at AO and RG, Federer at W and USO

Nadal vs Djokovic
Djokovic at AO, Nadal at RG, tied at W and USO

Federer vs Djokovic
Djokovic at AO and RG, Federer at W and USO

How do you think they match up at each Grand Slam?
Mostly agree, but no way Fed>Rafa on todays USO slow HC. So as Fed>Djokovic USO is incorrect.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#3
Mostly agree, but no way Fed>Rafa on todays USO slow HC. So as Fed>Djokovic USO is incorrect.
The bolded isn't incorrect. Federer has troubled Djokovic every time they played at the USO and was ahead in 5 of their 6 USO clashes. And in 2015 he had a BP to serve for a 2-1 lead.
 
#4
Federer vs Nadal
Nadal at AO and RG, Federer at W and USO
Impossible to know, since they have never faced each other. It is an untestable scenario unless they play there. In other words, until they play at the USO, we can't know. If they never play there, we will never know.

Nadal vs Djokovic
Djokovic at AO, Nadal at RG, tied at W and USO
As of now, Nadal > Djokovic at the USO and Djokovic>Nadal at WB. Nadal leads Djokovic at the USO and Djokovic leads Nadal at WB. It could change in the future, of course.
 

King No1e

Hall of Fame
#5
The bolded isn't incorrect. Federer has troubled Djokovic every time they played at the USO and was ahead in 5 of their 6 USO clashes. And in 2015 he had a BP to serve for a 2-1 lead.
It took peak Djokovic to play his absolute best and battle from the brink to beat Federer at the US Open. It was easier in 2015 but Federer at 34 still made him work for it.
 

King No1e

Hall of Fame
#6
Impossible to know, since they have never faced each other. It is an untestable scenario unless they play there. In other words, until they play at the USO, we can't know. If they never play there, we will never know.


As of now, Nadal > Djokovic at the USO and Djokovic>Nadal at WB. Nadal leads Djokovic at the USO and Djokovic leads Nadal at WB. It could change in the future, of course.
How did Nadal managed to lead Djokovic at the USO and Djokovic lead Nadal at Wimbledon and not the other way round?
You'd think Djokovic would own Nadal on hard courts and Nadal would own Djoker on grass. But it panned out the other way.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#7
How did Nadal managed to lead Djokovic at the USO and Djokovic lead Nadal at Wimbledon and not the other way round?
You'd think Djokovic would own Nadal on hard courts and Nadal would own Djoker on grass. But it panned out the other way.
Nadal not meeting Djoker more times at the USO. That's all.
 

King No1e

Hall of Fame
#9
Why would Nadal own Djokovic on grass, theoretically?
His game is better suited to grass than Novak's. But Djokovic has turned what was once a weakness, his grass game, into a strength with Becker's coaching and equalled the great Laver.

Out of all the crazy stuff Novak has done, winning 4 Wimbledons might be the most improbable and impressive.
 
#10
His game is better suited to grass than Novak's. But Djokovic has turned what was once a weakness, his grass game, into a strength with Becker's coaching and equalled the great Laver.

Out of all the crazy stuff Novak has done, winning 4 Wimbledons might be the most improbable and impressive.
Well, I think Djokovic adapts his game to grass better than Nadal. Nadal might have beaten Djokovic at Wimbledon more often had Djokovic been unable to do so, but the results speak for themselves. At the US Open, though, that's a tough case. When Nadal made those finals he was on fire. No one was gonna stop him.
 
#11
His game is better suited to grass than Novak's. But Djokovic has turned what was once a weakness, his grass game, into a strength with Becker's coaching and equalled the great Laver.

Out of all the crazy stuff Novak has done, winning 4 Wimbledons might be the most improbable and impressive.
Why would Nadals game - a baseline topspin clay court orientated game, be suited to grass?

Up until last years SF he hadnt made it past the 4th round at Wimbledon since 2011.

Outside of Roland Garros Nadal has 6 slams -the same as Edberg and Becker and less than people like McEnroe, Connors, Agassi.
 

King No1e

Hall of Fame
#13
Why would Nadals game - a baseline topspin clay court orientated game, be suited to grass?

Up until last years SF he hadnt made it past the 4th round at Wimbledon since 2011.

Outside of Roland Garros Nadal has 6 slams -the same as Edberg and Becker and less than people like McEnroe, Connors, Agassi.
Outside of the Slams Fedr has zero Slams. Point?
Nadal excelled on grass almost as much as he did clay for the first half of his career. He fell off the cliff after 2012, while Djokovic improved his grass game to become one of the greatest Wimbledon champions of all time.
 
#14
Outside of the Slams Fedr has zero Slams. Point?
Nadal excelled on grass almost as much as he did clay for the first half of his career. He fell off the cliff after 2012, while Djokovic improved his grass game to become one of the greatest Wimbledon champions of all time.
It's a good point. Nadal made the final in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010 and 2011 and won two titles. The cliff is a great analogy, it was really odd to the point where the 2018 semi-final run was actually a shock.
 
#15
Outside of the Slams Fedr has zero Slams. Point?
Nadal excelled on grass almost as much as he did clay for the first half of his career. He fell off the cliff after 2012, while Djokovic improved his grass game to become one of the greatest Wimbledon champions of all time.
So why would Nadal beat Novak on grass when Novak has 4 Wimbledons and is more suited to grass with his lower trajectory shots compared to Nadals more loopy shots.
 

Towny

Professional
#16
Fedal
AO: Fed
RG: Nadal
Wim: Fed
USO: Fed

Fedovic
AO: Djokovic
RG: Tie
Wim: Fed
USO: Fed

Djokodal
AO: Djokovic
RG: Nadal
Wim: Djokovic
USO: Tie

The major ones I'm not sure about are Fedovic RG and Djokodal Wim and USO. To an extent, Fedal USO due to lack of matches
RG 11 SF is about as close to prime vs prime there. However, they're about even at RG overall and I don't know how much stock to put in one match.

Wimbledon Nole 2015 had a crazy serve-return combo. Plus he seems to have some kind of match up advantage with Nadal. But I can definitely see an argument for Nadal 2008 being better.

Novak 2011 and Nadal 2010 are more or less on a par for me.

Of course, this is all from a Fed fan ;)
 
#17
Fedal
AO: pre-2017 surface Nadl, post Fedr
RG: Nadl
Wi: Fedr
UO: I’d give Nadal the edge based on surface, but you never know

Djokodal
AO: Djok
RG: Nadl
Wi: slightly leaning towards Nole
UO: Pretty much even, although peak for peak I give it to Rafa

Fedovic
AO: Again, if the courts are playing similar to pre ‘17, Nole FTW, if they’re playing post ‘17, Fedr
RG: Nole
Wi: Fedr
UO: Close, but I give it to Nole
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#18
Fedal
AO: pre-2017 surface Nadl, post Fedr
RG: Nadl
Wi: Fedr
UO: I’d give Nadal the edge based on surface, but you never know

Djokodal
AO: Djok
RG: Nadl
Wi: slightly leaning towards Nole
UO: Pretty much even, although peak for peak I give it to Rafa

Fedovic
AO: Again, if the courts are playing similar to pre ‘17, Nole FTW, if they’re playing post ‘17, Fedr
RG: Nole
Wi: Fedr
UO: Close, but I give it to Nole
Even though all the evidence points to Fedr at the USO against Novak, but sure...
 
#19
Also im not sure why some would give Nadal the edge over Fed at the AO.

Federer and Djokovic have won 6 AO's, Nadal has won it once in 2009.

Fed has won it the past 2 years in a row.
 

King No1e

Hall of Fame
#20
Also im not sure why some would give Nadal the edge over Fed at the AO.

Federer and Djokovic have won 6 AO's, Nadal has won it once in 2009.

Fed has won it the past 2 years in a row.
Nadal won 3 of their 4 contests and nearly won the 4th. It's all about the matchup.
 

King No1e

Hall of Fame
#25
Don’t think such thing exists. Not when you beat the other guy multiple times.
To be fair, Djokovic at his absolute peak had to struggle and fight off match points twice to beat 29/30 yr old Federer, while Fed handily beat Djokovic in their first 3 meetings.
 
#27
To be fair, Djokovic at his absolute peak had to struggle and fight off match points twice to beat 29/30 yr old Federer, while Fed handily beat Djokovic in their first 3 meetings.
29 year old Nole may have been the highest peak of tennis ever. So I don’t buy the “29 is old” argument. In 2007 pre peak Nole met peak Fed at the USO and while he lost in straight sets he also has set points in the first two sets. Is it hard to imagine that 2011 or 2015 Nole would have won those set points and possibly the match.

I shy away from time travel tennis forecasts but don’t really see why Fed would be the automatic favorite against Nole at the USO.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#30
29 year old Nole may have been the highest peak of tennis ever. So I don’t buy the “29 is old” argument. In 2007 pre peak Nole met peak Fed at the USO and while he lost in straight sets he also has set points in the first two sets. Is it hard to imagine that 2011 or 2015 Nole would have won those set points and possibly the match.

I shy away from time travel tennis forecasts but don’t really see why Fed would be the automatic favorite against Nole at the USO.
29 year old Nole also lost to Istomin at the AO, Querrey at Wimb and lost the YE#1 ranking to Murray. So look at the other side of things too.
 
#32
It shows Novak had to pull Houdini acts to win agsinst Fed, including having to save MP on 2 different ocassions. 2 points going differently could have transformed their USO H2H into 5-1 Federer, instead of 3-3.

So yes, at the USO Fed is favored over Novak peak to peak.
We will have to agree to disagree. Novak has a different playing style and has a tendency to make life more difficult for himself than need be. But Fed lost three years in a row (2009-2011) matches at the USO he “should have won”. He was hardly old at the time. It tells me that Fed has a weakness at the USO that could be exploited by very strong rivals.
 
#33
what is unnoticed is that inspite of nadal being deemed as a one dimensional moonballer he has held his own against fed and djoko on other slams as well. I think out of the three nadal plays the best at slams compared to other tournaments. I am not saying he is better than fed and djoko at slams but I am saying that the difference in level in slams and other tournaments is greatest for rafa out of the three. If I am not wrong nadal has the best conversion rate at slams and highest winning percentage in slams.
 
#34
10 matches peak for peak

Federer-Nadal
AO: 7-3 Nadal (Plexicusion favor Nadal more than Fed with 3-1 actual head to head here).
RG: 10-0 Nadal
Wim: 8-2 Fed
US: 7-3 Fed

Nadal-Djokovic
AO: 7-3 Djokovic
RG: 10-0 Nadal
Wim: 5-5 or 6-4 Djokovic
US Open: Tie 5-5

Federer-Djokovic
AO: 6-4 Djokovic
RG: Tie 5-5
Wimbledon: 7-3 Federer
Us Open: 6-4 Federer
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#35
We will have to agree to disagree. Novak has a different playing style and has a tendency to make life more difficult for himself than need be. But Fed lost three years in a row (2009-2011) matches at the USO he “should have won”. He was hardly old at the time. It tells me that Fed has a weakness at the USO that could be exploited by very strong rivals.
Then you just need better glasses.
 
#36
Even though all the evidence points to Fedr at the USO against Novak, but sure...
Are you implying that the ultra slow hard courts that saw Federer not win the us open since 2008, and lose to Tommy Robredo and John Millman favour him over one of the greatest grinders of all time, who has proven to like slow surfaces more than Federer.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#38
Are you implying that the ultra slow hard courts that saw Federer not win the us open since 2008, and lose to Tommy Robredo and John Millman favour him over one of the greatest grinders of all time, who has proven to like slow surfaces more than Federer.
Well, all I know is that Djokovic at his very peak didn't have an easy time with a 30+ year old Roger in 2011 and 2015 on the same slow USO surface post 2008.

It's funny how you pick 2 of Federer's worst periods of play to prove your point.
 
#40
Well, all I know is that Djokovic at his very peak didn't have an easy time with a 30+ year old Roger in 2011 and 2015 on the same slow USO surface post 2008.

It's funny how you pick 2 of Federer's worst periods of play to prove your point.
It’s been stated before, there is a difference between being pushing someone and winning a match. If I were to play this your way, I could say that proof of Djokovic has the better match up at the USO is the fact that even prior to his prime on a fairly fast hardcourt he pushed a peak Federer.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#42
We will have to agree to disagree. Novak has a different playing style and has a tendency to make life more difficult for himself than need be. But Fed lost three years in a row (2009-2011) matches at the USO he “should have won”. He was hardly old at the time. It tells me that Fed has a weakness at the USO that could be exploited by very strong rivals.
That is unreasonable.

You are suggesting that Novak just can turn any match around, no matter how close he is to losing, if he decides to.

Sometimes a player gets lucky.

What is Federer's weakness at the USO, according to you, of course?

:cool:
 
#43
That is unreasonable.

You are suggesting that Novak just can turn any match around, no matter how close he is to losing, if he decides to.

Sometimes a player gets lucky.

What is Federer's weakness at the USO, according to you, of course?

:cool:
I never said Nole can turn around any match. If only that we’re so!
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#44
I never said Nole can turn around any match. If only that we’re so!
Well, you opposed the idea, that Djokovic had to "pull a Houdini act out of his hat", which tells me that you consider his wins more a natural consequence of his decision to step it up, rather than a result of a freak occurrence/luck etc.

Anyway, what is Federer's weakness at the USO, according to you?

:cool:
 
#45
Well, you opposed the idea, that Djokovic had to "pull a Houdini act out of his hat", which tells me that you consider his wins more a natural consequence of his decision to step it up, rather than a result of a freak occurrence/luck etc.

Anyway, what is Federer's weakness at the USO, according to you?

:cool:
All I’m saying is that Nole won. Several times. Probably more than luck involved. But if Fed fans want to chalk it up all to luck that’s fine by me.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#46
All I’m saying is that Nole won. Several times. Probably more than luck involved. But if Fed fans want to chalk it up all to luck that’s fine by me.
I didn't say that (bolded), but what you are saying is not quite right either.

Feel free to answer my question about Federer's weakness at the USO, whenever you feel it is time to do so.

:cool:
 
#47
I didn't say that (bolded), but what you are saying is not quite right either.

Feel free to answer my question about Federer's weakness at the USO, whenever you feel it is time to do so.

:cool:
I find these debates fun at first but tedious in the end. We keep repeating the same things. I can see why some would argue that peak Fed would beat peak Nole at the USO. I can also see why some would argue that it would be very close and, even, that peak Nole would have an advantage.

What I don’t get is why some posters think that their OPINION of who would win is an undisputable FACT. it’s not. Posters that can’t predict a match that is happening before their eyes should not pretend to predict matches that require time travel.

As for the question, I was only pointing out that Fed lost three years in a row at the USO matches many think he should have won. That’s all.
 

King No1e

Hall of Fame
#48
10 matches peak for peak

Federer-Nadal
AO: 7-3 Nadal (Plexicusion favor Nadal more than Fed with 3-1 actual head to head here).
RG: 10-0 Nadal
Wim: 8-2 Fed
US: 7-3 Fed

Nadal-Djokovic
AO: 7-3 Djokovic
RG: 10-0 Nadal
Wim: 5-5 or 6-4 Djokovic
US Open: Tie 5-5

Federer-Djokovic
AO: 6-4 Djokovic
RG: Tie 5-5
Wimbledon: 7-3 Federer
Us Open: 6-4 Federer
Fedal
AO: 7-3 Nadal
RG: 10-0 Nadal
W: 7-3 Federer
USO: 7-3 Federer

Djokodal
AO: 9-1 Djokovic
RG: 9-1 Nadal
W: 5-5
USO: 5-5

Fedovic
AO (rebound ace): 7-3 Federer
AO Plexi: 10-0 Djokovic
RG: 6-4 Djokovic
W: 7-3 Federer
USO: 6-4 Federer
 
#49
To be fair, Djokovic at his absolute peak had to struggle and fight off match points twice to beat 29/30 yr old Federer, while Fed handily beat Djokovic in their first 3 meetings.
7/10 of the sets in the 1st three matches at the USO were 7-5 or 7-6. Djokovic had Federer on the ropes in the first match but really was disappointing in how he caved at 40-0 with 3 set points on his serve. He had more set points in the next set. Being that all those sets were so close it was only a matter of time before Djokovic started to make inroads and turn it around for himself, especially when he reached his highest levels. Since 2007 Canada, this matchup has been very close. From 2007 Canada to 2009 Basel, which was 10 matches, the rivalry was tied 5-5. From 2010 Canada to 2011 USO, which is the next 10 matches it again was tied 5-5. So anyone saying that either player would dominate at the USO is mistaken and it is so close no one really knows how those matches would play out.
 
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