Fedal's successful comeback will surely harm Djokorray's comeback next year

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Next year fans will expect Murray and Djokovic to come back and start winning matches from day 1 just like Federer and Nadal did this year.

In people's minds they will not be considered underdogs, so they will both start feeling the pressure right away and won't have the luxury of pulling the just-came-from-injury card in case of a loss. They can't afford a nothing-to-lose attitude that underdogs usually enjoy.

Nadal actually felt the pressure a little bit this year after his incredible comeback in 2013. Fans were not that surprised and players were not caught off guard. He was kind of expected to do well at least on clay.

It's going to be hard for Nole and Andy if they don't win at least 1 slam out of the first 2.
 
FrontHeadlock said:
Murray has only won 3 majors in his entire career, neither of which came at the AO or RG.

I don't think the expectation for Murray is for him to win one of those two tournaments.
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Federer hadn't won 2 slams in the same year since 2009 and Nadal also broke some personal records in 2013. People will expect Nole and Andy to do the same and accomplish big breakthroughs after a long rest.
 
Djokovic definitely needs either So or RG. He won't win Wimby if he doesn't win either of those two. He's already 30, he needs a slam from somewhere, and he won't be happy to wait until the USO.
 
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First of all Djokovic and Murray are not entity.
Federer couldn't win for 5 ,Nadal 3 years, but hey their comeback will hurt Djokovic or Murray. Only thing that will hurt them is severity of their injuries.
You fanboys think that they can't stop thinking about Federer or Nadal as you do. :confused:
 
Noelan said:
blah, blah ..
First of all Djokovic and Murray are not entity.
Federer couldn't win for 5 ,Nadal 3 years, but hey their comeback will hurt Djokovic or Murray. Only thing that will hurt them is severity of their injuries.
You fanboys think that they can't stop thinking about Federer or Nadal as you do. :confused:
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Yes Fed and Nads didn't win for 3+ years, but that didn't start at 29 for them? Do you see the difference. Plus, that was back when we were in the grips of the lost gen, and now there in the next gen looking to make moves. I think Zverev, Thiem and Shap will have far more impact than Nish, Rao, Tonic did at the same age. So it's a bit like comparing apples and oranges. That being said, I'm confident Djoko isn't done by any means. It's just better to get that first slam sooner rather than later. Djokovic really doesn't want to put all his eggs in one basket at the US Open.
 
Longer breaks don't guarantee winning after coming back. Also we have to see how good will Fedal and younger players be in 2018. The Tour won't be at Djokorray's mercy but I think they will do well, especially Novak.
 
Zebrev said:
Yes Fed and Nads didn't win for 3+ years, but that didn't start at 29 for them? Do you see the difference. Plus, that was back when we were in the grips of the lost gen, and now there in the next gen looking to make moves. I think Zverev, Thiem and Shap will have far more impact than Nish, Rao, Tonic did at the same age. So it's a bit like comparing apples and oranges. That being said, I'm confident Djoko isn't done by any means. It's just better to get that first slam sooner rather than later. Djokovic really doesn't want to put all his eggs in one basket at the US Open.
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I'm far from pressed as you all are here and I'm fan.
As I said I firmly believe that Djokovic and Murray or any other player for that matter, have their own health as the top priority instead of worrying what others did while they were out of competition.
We just don't know what will happen,who will be more competitive.
You have example today, Delpotro was too much for Zverev, Thiem lost to Troicki.... and so on...
 
The difference is I don't think Djokovic and Murray strike fear into the NextGen the way Nadal and federer do. Djokovic this year has lost to kyrgios, zverev and thiem all in big matches which will make him vulnerable early in his comeback when he plays them.

Murray I think will continue to have problems with his hip. Djokovic needs to stop clowning around with his backroom team and get back Marian vajda and ideally Becker (I'm sure the money would be useful for Becker) and ditch the guy who is all peace. I doubt he will be a threat in Australia but if he could pull out a sunshine double then his aura will be back.
 
Sorry_to_tell_you_mate said:
People will expect Nole and Andy to do the same and accomplish big breakthroughs after a long rest.
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If people expect this, they need to dial down their expectations. And I seriously doubt most tennis fans expect either of them to come back and win the AO or the FO. Novak hasn't picked up a racket in months and neither has Murray. Also, neither is as good as Fed and Rafa, so anybody expecting similar comebacks to what Fedal had is going to be disappointed big time.
 
If you are talking about fans of Novak and Murray may be in for a disappointment if they are expecting similar results as Fedal that may have some validity.

However Novak and Murray themselves will be more realistic and would be content if they can end 2018 in top 5 - if they make a final or so they would be happy. And i feel they can do that easily. Even their average play is enough for a top 5 ranking as your number 4 today is Cilic / Dmitrov / Thiem.
 
Noelan said:
blah, blah ..
First of all Djokovic and Murray are not entity.
Federer couldn't win for 5 ,Nadal 3 years, but hey their comeback will hurt Djokovic or Murray. Only thing that will hurt them is severity of their injuries.
You fanboys think that they can't stop thinking about Federer or Nadal as you do. :confused:
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This. Why are some people so obsessed with making comparisons to Federer and Nadal all the time, like the whole world revolves around them? Djokovic and Murray are completely different players, completely different people. They'll be rightfully focussing on themselves, their games and their own health heading into 2018 and won't give a flying you know what if anonymous internet users are expecting them to equal what Fedal have achieved this year.
 
Sorry_to_tell_you_mate said:
Next year fans will expect Murray and Djokovic to come back and start winning matches from day 1 just like Federer and Nadal did this year.

In people's minds they will not be considered underdogs, so they will both start feeling the pressure right away and won't have the luxury of pulling the just-came-from-injury card in case of a loss. They can't afford a nothing-to-lose attitude that underdogs usually enjoy.

Nadal actually felt the pressure a little bit this year after his incredible comeback in 2013. Fans were not that surprised and players were not caught off guard. He was kind of expected to do well at least on clay.

It's going to be hard for Nole and Andy if they don't win at least 1 slam out of the first 2.
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Fed was training much of his 7 month convalescence, Murray and Djokovic are much worse off. Djokovic is 4 months and counting off the court.:eek: Wawrinka will face similar issues after his knee surgery.

Murray is the one with a glimmer of hope if healthy (which looks very doubtful) because he's a huge matchup issue for Kyrgios and Zverev. Djokovic is 0-3 against these two so his draw much more likely to be a minefield. Murray has a 50% chance of being in Nadal's half, just keep him away from Fed.:confused:
 
Djokovic2011 said:
This. Why are some people so obsessed with making comparisons to Federer and Nadal all the time, like the whole world revolves around them? Djokovic and Murray are completely different players, completely different people. They'll be rightfully focussing on themselves, their games and their own health heading into 2018 and won't give a flying you know what if anonymous internet users are expecting them to equal what Fedal have achieved this year.
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Agreed. But in a one on one sport it is hard to not think about what your peers did when they were in a situation similar to you one year ago. Problem for Andy and Novak would be that, given what Nadal and Roger did this year, there might have a weight of expectation on them to come back strongly. But in their defense even if they are primed up, they will have to contend with Federer and Nadal, who when made their comeback had virtually no competition from Novak and Andy.
 
Mainad said:
Well she will probably need to imitate Murray and add a few more strings to her bow before we dare make that comparison. :cool:
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Point is that there is broad daylight between Murray and Novak. We know what Novak was doing with Murray before he dropped off the cliff.

Please don't make it your responsibility to defend Andy on every post in this forum. It is a damn tough job :)
 
Vish13 said:
Point is that there is broad daylight between Murray and Novak. We know what Novak was doing with Murray before he dropped off the cliff.
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But you can't get away with just dismissing Murray's efforts like that. He beat Djokovic quite handily in the final of Rome and started well in the RG final before fatigue set in (he had had longer and tougher matches to get there). I believe he would have beaten Djokovic at Wimbledn too if Querrey hadn't got there first. By season's end, Djokovic was almost back to normal and got through every single one of his matches at the WTF quite comfortably until he met Murray in the final.

Vish13 said:
Please don't make it your responsibility to defend Andy on every post in this forum.
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Please don't lecture me on what my responsibilities are or aren't. I will continue to defend him whenever I think he is being unfairly attacked or put down however uncomfortable or irritating that might be for you.
 
Mainad said:
But you can't get away with just dismissing Murray's efforts like that. He beat Djokovic quite handily in the final of Rome and started well in the RG final before fatigue set in (he had had longer and tougher matches to get there). I believe he would have beaten Djokovic at Wimbledn too if Querrey hadn't got there first. By season's end, Djokovic was almost back to normal and got through every single one of his matches at the WTF quite comfortably until he met Murray in the final.



Please don't lecture me on what my responsibilities are or aren't. I will continue to defend him whenever I think he is being unfairly attacked or put down however uncomfortable or irritating that might be for you.
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Chill ... I edited my last line as I thought it was sounding rude. But you were too quick to respond.
 
Vish13 said:
Agreed. But in a one on one sport it is hard to not think about what your peers did when they were in a situation similar to you one year ago. Problem for Andy and Novak would be that, given what Nadal and Roger did this year, there might have a weight of expectation on them to come back strongly. But in their defense even if they are primed up, they will have to contend with Federer and Nadal, who when made their comeback had virtually no competition from Novak and Andy.
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Countless times during his career Djokovic proved that he can handle quite well a weight of huge expectation whatever they were on him.
The most important question is how and whether his injury will be healed at all. I agree it won't be easy for him, as it his first time out of competition in 12 years .
We'll have to wait and see what will happen.


At forums like this
If he goes well , it will be "he wasn't injured in the first place" but when he saw Fedal resurrection 2017 he decided just to rest, recuperate and come back strong/er.... if he doesn't do well it will be " oh he was never that good "... Here guy simply can't do right .. well , everyone knows why..
 
FrontHeadlock said:
Murray has only won 3 majors in his entire career, neither of which came at the AO or RG.

I don't think the expectation for Murray is for him to win one of those two tournaments.
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Just imagine how epic it would be if he did.

Or he'll just suprisingly make the final and lose to Djokovic. That will probably start a meth addiction for me.
 
Red Rick said:
Just imagine how epic it would be if he did.

Or he'll just suprisingly make the final and lose to Djokovic. That will probably start a meth addiction for me.
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Lol, a loss in the AO finals to Djokovic would be consistent with history and would mean that Murray is back as good as ever! (just not better than ever)
 
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