Federer’s actual Frame specs!

Avedissianj1

Avedissianj1

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Hello all,

I was lucky enough to receive an actual Roger Federer frame through my contact at the Wilson pro shop in Chicago IL yes this means it was the laver cup edition and would like to share a little bit as to his actual playing frame.

I will have to admit that the retail version we can all but in stores is very smillar and probably as close as you can get to the actual pros frames with a few minor modifications. As we all know top players use pro stock racquets not available to the general public and just simply endorse or promote and sponser the user friendly racquets we see for sale in retailers around the world.

After stripping the racquet, I was able to conclude the following specs and modifications as his actual playing specs.

His frame is a Wilson prostsff RF97 autograph in 4 3/8 grip (leather priority one leather grip and custom molded Handle) with a Wilson pro conform over grip and of course he uses the old school power pads to help preserve the playability of his natural gut main strings.

His only modifications to the weight of the racquet is he placed 3 grams of lead at 12 oclock in the tip and he had silicone injected in the Handle. To help figure out exactly how much of silicone is in the Handle, keep in mind that unstrung the racquet actual weighs 345 grams (without overgrip and strings ). When I get it all strung up with the power pads later this week I can give string weight as well. Thanks all and I can figure out how to post pictures I will.
 
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wangs78

Hall of Fame
Sounds about right. The listed specs of the RF97 show weight of 340g unstrung. So your 345 seems close enough to support the claim that Fed plays with a racquet that is broadly available through retail channels.
 
Avedissianj1

Avedissianj1

Rookie
I would like to note that the paint does seem a little different as well. It almost appears to be a slightly different shade of red than the one available in retailers. It appears to be like a pinkish red as compared to the typical Wilson red that you see on websites.

Once I string it with the Wilson champions choice string and add the power pads I will take a picture and re weigh the frame to try and give a more accurate playing weight. I don’t know how to take measures like swing weight or balance points but I will do my best to provide every measurement I can as I know I was obsessed about actual pro specs and I just want to fill everyone in so that if they want to they too can create feds actual set up!
 
saleem

saleem

Semi-Pro
Avedissianj1 said:
I would like to note that the paint does seem a little different as well. It almost appears to be a slightly different shade of red than the one available in retailers. It appears to be like a pinkish red as compared to the typical Wilson red that you see on websites.

Once I string it with the Wilson champions choice string and add the power pads I will take a picture and re weigh the frame to try and give a more accurate playing weight. I don’t know how to take measures like swing weight or balance points but I will do my best to provide every measurement I can as I know I was obsessed about actual pro specs and I just want to fill everyone in so that if they want to they too can create feds actual set up!
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if you do not have a balance board use the glass table top, place the racket on the edge, butt cap hanging of it, keep moving back toward the butt cap till it is teetering (almost falling toward the butt cap) now take a measuring tape, measure from the edge of the glass to butt cap and that should be your current balance (cm is more accurate)
 
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Russell Jiang

Russell Jiang

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Does Roger actually plays with the true RF97 frame? Cuz for Kei for example the current Burn 95 is not the one he’s actually using...


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Avedissianj1

Avedissianj1

Rookie
Russell Jiang said:
Does Roger actually plays with the true RF97 frame? Cuz for Kei for example the current Burn 95 is not the one he’s actually using...


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After many law suits Wilson has made sure Rodger is using that exact frame as endorsed as his autograph version with a little lead tape in the hoop silicone in the handle and custom molded priority one handle So to answer your question yes
 
lidoazndiabloboi

lidoazndiabloboi

Hall of Fame
Avedissianj1 said:
After many law suits Wilson has made sure Rodger is using that exact frame as endorsed as his autograph version with a little lead tape in the hoop silicone in the handle and custom molded priority one handle So to answer your question yes
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Like one of the other posters had asked, would you be able to get the unstrung balance and swingweight of the racket before you string it up. I tried figuring out the unstrung specs from Greg Raven's RF specs (with string and overgrip 366g 31.4cm SW340). The unstrung specs that I got was 345g 30.8cm SW312. Looks like my weight spec has matched up, I'm wondering if the others will match.
 
teachingprotx

teachingprotx

Hall of Fame
Avedissianj1 said:
Hello all,

I was lucky enough to receive an actual Roger Federer frame through my contact at the Wilson pro shop in Chicago IL yes this means it was the laver cup edition and would like to share a little bit as to his actual playing frame.

I will have to admit that the retail version we can all but in stores is very smillar and probably as close as you can get to the actual pros frames with a few minor modifications. As we all know top players use pro stock racquets not available to the general public and just simply endorse or promote and sponser the user friendly racquets we see for sale in retailers around the world.

After stripping the racquet, I was able to conclude the following specs and modifications as his actual playing specs.

His frame is a Wilson prostsff RF97 autograph in 4 3/8 grip (leather priority one leather grip and custom molded Handle) with a Wilson pro conform over grip and of course he uses the old school power pads to help preserve the playability of his natural gut main strings.

His only modifications to the weight of the racquet is he placed 3 grams of lead at 12 oclock in the tip and he had silicone injected in the Handle. To help figure out exactly how much of silicone is in the Handle, keep in mind that unstrung the racquet actual weighs 345 grams (without overgrip and strings ). When I get it all strung up with the power pads later this week I can give string weight as well. Thanks all and I can figure out how to post pictures I will.
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We need the specs on this !
Ra most important :)
 
B

Big Bagel

Professional
Avedissianj1 said:
It almost appears to be a slightly different shade of red than the one available in retailers. It appears to be like a pinkish red as compared to the typical Wilson red that you see on websites.
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It's called Infrared and it is different than the typical Wilson red. The butt cap should still be the Wilson red which looks a little weird with the rest of the racquet being the slightly lighter infrared. It is the same color on the retail racquets.
 
Avedissianj1

Avedissianj1

Rookie
Strung weight of the racquet with over warp ( I didn’t put champions choice in it yet just Tecnifibre x1 biphase full bed. Feds stick weighs 366 grams strung. ( results may vary by a gram or so depending on strings used and if your using string savers or not ) so to be safe we’ll say between 366-368 grams
 
teachingprotx

teachingprotx

Hall of Fame
Sorry but when someone says they have any SPECS. I get excited but when I realize they don’t have the RA it’s a let down . Putting it mildly .
I have a friend who knows a guy who knows a guy and RF’s true RA- 58
 
teachingprotx

teachingprotx

Hall of Fame
Which I could care less about pro sticks really but I do care about pros sticks from the 80s and 90s now those would be of great interests to see what the likes of Sampras . Becker . Wilander , muster, Lendl . I bet ra in the 30’s to low 50’s..
 
Bobby Jr

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
wangs78 said:
Sounds about right. The listed specs of the RF97 show weight of 340g unstrung. So your 345 seems close enough to support the claim that Fed plays with a racquet that is broadly available through retail channels.
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The weight of a frame offers next to zero evidence that anyone plays with a retail frame. That is some crazy chain of logic to go from A to B there.
 
Bobby Jr

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Avedissianj1 said:
After many law suits Wilson has made sure Rodger is using that exact frame as endorsed as his autograph version with a little lead tape in the hoop silicone in the handle and custom molded priority one handle So to answer your question yes
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Why would they do that for him but hardly any other Wilson pro who is not using the frame they are marketed as using (including Nishikori, Lopez, Del Potro, Bautista-Agut etc)? If a legal issue existed for one it would exist for all.

Notwithstanding they have disclaimers on their marketing nowdays and carefully word ads to have an out-clause.
 
Avedissianj1

Avedissianj1

Rookie
Bobby Jr said:
Why would they do that for him but hardly any other Wilson pro who is not using the frame they are marketed as using (including Nishikori, Lopez, Del Potro, Bautista-Agut etc)? If a legal issue existed for one it would exist for all.

Notwithstanding they have disclaimers on their marketing nowdays and carefully word ads to have an out-clause.
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Because none of the players you mentioned have their own signature frame this was Wilson’s first attempt at trying to produce a true (as close as possible) to an atp pros true frame. Yes we’re aware as of recently (after the autograph came out) that Wilson has now written disclaimers saying players endorse a particular frame but actual results may vary.

Like I said before at some point this weekend I will try and bring To a tennis shop to get the stiffness, swingweight and balance point. Thanks
 
Avedissianj1

Avedissianj1

Rookie
Bobby Jr said:
The weight of a frame offers next to zero evidence that anyone plays with a retail frame. That is some crazy chain of logic to go from A to B there.[/QUOTEhey bro listen I’m just trying to tell people what I have sorry if it’s not good enough for you. I’m trying to get as many specs as I can until I can bring it to a tennis shop. I’m not worthy
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Nostradamus

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Avedissianj1 said:
Hello all,

I was lucky enough to receive an actual Roger Federer frame through my contact at the Wilson pro shop in Chicago IL yes this means it was the laver cup edition and would like to share a little bit as to his actual playing frame.

I will have to admit that the retail version we can all but in stores is very smillar and probably as close as you can get to the actual pros frames with a few minor modifications. As we all know top players use pro stock racquets not available to the general public and just simply endorse or promote and sponser the user friendly racquets we see for sale in retailers around the world.

After stripping the racquet, I was able to conclude the following specs and modifications as his actual playing specs.

His frame is a Wilson prostsff RF97 autograph in 4 3/8 grip (leather priority one leather grip and custom molded Handle) with a Wilson pro conform over grip and of course he uses the old school power pads to help preserve the playability of his natural gut main strings.

His only modifications to the weight of the racquet is he placed 3 grams of lead at 12 oclock in the tip and he had silicone injected in the Handle. To help figure out exactly how much of silicone is in the Handle, keep in mind that unstrung the racquet actual weighs 345 grams (without overgrip and strings ). When I get it all strung up with the power pads later this week I can give string weight as well. Thanks all and I can figure out how to post pictures I will.
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Silicon injections ?? how do you do this ? and what is the purpose of this ?
 
Avedissianj1

Avedissianj1

Rookie
Nostradamus said:
Silicon injections ?? how do you do this ? and what is the purpose of this ?
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Mostly to add weight, make a frame more headlight, and it’s helps dampen the vibration off the string bed considersbly.

In this case I feel it was used to help balance out the weight of the frame because like I originally stated there is 3grams of lead tape placed at 12 oclock in the frame. So if roger doesn’t want to mess around with the balance point or headlight ness of his racquet he would need to add 3gms of silicone into the handle to cancel each other out.

There are videos on YouTube how to do it, it’s extreamly simple just have to be careful when injecting that you have sealed off the inside of the handle with cotton balls or some barrier to prevent silicone from sliding into the hoop or neck of the frame.
 
Bobby Jr

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Avedissianj1 said:
Because none of the players you mentioned have their own signature frame this was Wilson’s first attempt at trying to produce a true (as close as possible) to an atp pros true frame. Yes we’re aware as of recently (after the autograph came out) that Wilson has now written disclaimers saying players endorse a particular frame but actual results may vary.
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That's not the test though. The test is if a company claims a player uses a specific frame in their marketing but the player does not use that frame. The players I listed all meet that bar.

Moreso - there's more info on your racquet which needs covering. Firstly, Federer's actual frames are not available from any Wilson pro shop in Chicago. His frames are supplied without handles to Priority One who put handles on, balance them and get them ready to his spec (the only thing they have no control over in terms of playing characteristics is the flex). Many times in the past the Wilson pro room has sent/given frames to people with the "it's one of Federer's" line to go with it and which, on this board, have been shown to be different to Federer's by people who have bought actual Federer used frames at auction (with his grip, strings, signature etc).

As far as the colour you mentioned even goes - it was written by Robbie Koenig on twitter that Fed's Laver Cup frames were more pink than they looked in the pictures. In fact, they all were - even the retail ones. I've seen one in person (on the other side of the world) and it looked more pink than I expected and certainly moreso than the marketing pics I saw. So the colour itself possibly means nothing imo.
 
Avedissianj1

Avedissianj1

Rookie
Bobby Jr said:
That's not the test though. The test is if a company claims a player uses a specific frame in their marketing but the player does not use that frame. The players I listed all meet that bar.

Moreso - there's more info on your racquet which needs covering. Firstly, Federer's actual frames are not available from any Wilson pro shop in Chicago. His frames are supplied without handles to Priority One who put handles on, balance them and get them ready to his spec (the only thing they have no control over in terms of playing characteristics is the flex). Many times in the past the Wilson pro room has sent/given frames to people with the "it's one of Federer's" line to go with it and which, on this board, have been shown to be different to Federer's by people who have bought actual Federer used frames at auction (with his grip, strings, signature etc).

As far as the colour you mentioned even goes - it was written by Robbie Koenig on twitter that Fed's Laver Cup frames were more pink than they looked in the pictures. In fact, they all were - even the retail ones. I've seen one in person (on the other side of the world) and it looked more pink than I expected and certainly moreso than the marketing pics I saw. So the colour itself possibly means nothing imo.
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Ok thanks for that I’ll remove the post then as you clearly know everything about Wilson and Federer’s frames. You should write a post.
 
Bobby Jr

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Avedissianj1 said:
Ok thanks for that I’ll remove the post then as you clearly know everything about Wilson and Federer’s frames. You should write a post.
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If you search you'll see there is a 10+ year history of threads on Federer frames here. Not ones from Wilson pro room - but actual frames he used. The details of them have been discussed into hundreds upon hundreds of posts deep in threads and include the contributions of the actual person who customises his frames.

This isn't to say your frame isn't wildly interesting - but you might want to understand how it looks when you post like this topic and come in with pretty elementary-level excitement about your frame which, in all probability, is a fairly widely available item.
 
TennisHound

TennisHound

Legend
Avedissianj1 said:
Mostly to add weight, make a frame more headlight, and it’s helps dampen the vibration off the string bed considersbly.

In this case I feel it was used to help balance out the weight of the frame because like I originally stated there is 3grams of lead tape placed at 12 oclock in the frame. So if roger doesn’t want to mess around with the balance point or headlight ness of his racquet he would need to add 3gms of silicone into the handle to cancel each other out.

There are videos on YouTube how to do it, it’s extreamly simple just have to be careful when injecting that you have sealed off the inside of the handle with cotton balls or some barrier to prevent silicone from sliding into the hoop or neck of the frame.
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Dont reply to this poster, he’s a known troll.
 
J

jmnk

Hall of Fame
If I may ask, where is the said Wilson pro shop in Chicago?

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Simplicius

Simplicius

Semi-Pro
Avedissianj1 said:
After many law suits Wilson has made sure Rodger is using that exact frame as endorsed as his autograph version with a little lead tape in the hoop silicone in the handle and custom molded priority one handle So to answer your question yes
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Sorry mate, that's not true...



Actually "after many law suits" Wilson says clearly that Federer DOES NOT play with RF97.
From Wiilson's catalogue, in the red line:
«Racket specifications on endorsed consumer models may vary from the models used by Pros for match-play».

Additionally the promotional text says that the racquet is "co-designed by Roger Federer".
Nowhere the phrase "used by" is written...

PS: The diference on the font sizes is the real one, whatever that means...
 
Nostradamus

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Avedissianj1 said:
Mostly to add weight, make a frame more headlight, and it’s helps dampen the vibration off the string bed considersbly.

In this case I feel it was used to help balance out the weight of the frame because like I originally stated there is 3grams of lead tape placed at 12 oclock in the frame. So if roger doesn’t want to mess around with the balance point or headlight ness of his racquet he would need to add 3gms of silicone into the handle to cancel each other out.

There are videos on YouTube how to do it, it’s extreamly simple just have to be careful when injecting that you have sealed off the inside of the handle with cotton balls or some barrier to prevent silicone from sliding into the hoop or neck of the frame.
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is this dangerous ? can this silicon cause cancer ? and why doesn't Wilson just make rackets with silicon built in ? it sounds like a good thing
 
One Handed Dynasty

One Handed Dynasty

Semi-Pro
Avedissianj1 said:
Hello all,

I was lucky enough to receive an actual Roger Federer frame through my contact at the Wilson pro shop in Chicago IL yes this means it was the laver cup edition and would like to share a little bit as to his actual playing frame.

I will have to admit that the retail version we can all but in stores is very smillar and probably as close as you can get to the actual pros frames with a few minor modifications. As we all know top players use pro stock racquets not available to the general public and just simply endorse or promote and sponser the user friendly racquets we see for sale in retailers around the world.

After stripping the racquet, I was able to conclude the following specs and modifications as his actual playing specs.

His frame is a Wilson prostsff RF97 autograph in 4 3/8 grip (leather priority one leather grip and custom molded Handle) with a Wilson pro conform over grip and of course he uses the old school power pads to help preserve the playability of his natural gut main strings.

His only modifications to the weight of the racquet is he placed 3 grams of lead at 12 oclock in the tip and he had silicone injected in the Handle. To help figure out exactly how much of silicone is in the Handle, keep in mind that unstrung the racquet actual weighs 345 grams (without overgrip and strings ). When I get it all strung up with the power pads later this week I can give string weight as well. Thanks all and I can figure out how to post pictures I will.
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Any pics to verify any of this? Sorry not trying to be a pain but most legit fed frame owners will post pics, it’s a piece of art after all


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Povl Carstensen

Legend
Simplicius said:
Sorry mate, that's not true...



Actually "after many law suits" Wilson says clearly that Federer DOES NOT play with RF97.
From Wiilson's catalogue, in the red line:
«Racket specifications on endorsed consumer models may vary from the models used by Pros for match-play».

Additionally the promotional text says that the racquet is "co-designed by Roger Federer".
Nowhere the phrase "used by" is written...

PS: The diference on the font sizes is the real one, whatever that means...
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This does not say that Federer does not play with a (customised) RF97.
 
T

TennisCJC

Legend
Nostradamus said:
is this dangerous ? can this silicon cause cancer ? and why doesn't Wilson just make rackets with silicon built in ? it sounds like a good thing
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Buy a Volkl or Yonex. Volkl has had a soft substance built into their handles forever. Yonex Ezone line is also now injecting a soft substance in their handles. Both systems mute vibrations.

Realistically, it isn't dangerous as the silicon is inside the handle and you skin will never come into contact with it. If you install it, just clean you hands thoroughly afterward and you could wear latex gloves if you are really paranoid. Once installed, no chance of contact.
 
R

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
teachingprotx said:
Which I could care less about pro sticks really but I do care about pros sticks from the 80s and 90s now those would be of great interests to see what the likes of Sampras . Becker . Wilander , muster, Lendl . I bet ra in the 30’s to low 50’s..
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Ofcourse not. Lendl hit with super stiff racquets with lead filled heads, that sounded as if he fired a cannon when he hit with them. Even McEnroe was afraid that these Lendl cannonballs would kill him at the net. ;)
 
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