Federer: 16 Grand Slams on FIVE surfaces: undisputed GOAT

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cueboyzn

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Federer has now won more slams than anyone as well as won Slams on FIVE different surfaces.

Grass - 6 times (5 consecutive Wimbledons + 1)
Clay - once (1 French Open)
Rebound Ace - 3 times (3 Australian Opens)
Plexicushion - once (1 Australian Open)
DecoTurf - 5 times (5 consecutive US Opens)

So:

Career Grand Slam, 16 Majors on 5 surfaces: greater than Laver (2 surfaces) and Agassi (4 surfaces)

Add in all the other records you like, 23 GS Semi finals, 18 of 19 GS Finals, 22 GS Finals total played in, 5 consecutive GS titles at 2 different GS events, won 3 different slams 4 times at least... and so on.

Anyone who tries to dispute his GOAT status is clearly wearing tinted glasses or blinkers. Not only does he have more slams than any man in history, but he has won them on FIVE surfaces. No one except Agassi has won theirs on four, and Agassi only won half as many slams as Roger.
 
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Great post, id like to add that his winning % in Slams is by far the highest ever, something like 15-20% higher than Sampras and Borg and as a result of that, he won as many Slams as Pete MUCH faster ;)
 
i thought us open had green courts before 05, not sure if different surface though.. if different, then its 6 different surfaces..
 
Clay and grass vary a lot too depending on the weather, altitude, humidity, composition of the soil and grass variety. Look at 2009 RG vs 2008 RG. Or Madrid vs Monte Carlo. Or early nineties Wimbledon vs 2008 Wimbledon.

But isn't it pointless to go so far?

What's next? Will different weather conditions count too, as different surfaces do? Will we be holding contests on who's the GOAT under rain and wind? GOAT in low humidity? GOAT in extreme heat?
 
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aldeayeah said:
Clay and grass vary a lot too depending on the weather, altitude, humidity, composition of the soil and grass variety. Look at 2009 RG vs 2008 RG. Or Madrid vs Monte Carlo. Or early nineties Wimbledon vs 2008 Wimbledon.

But isn't it pointless to go so far?

What's next? Will different weather conditions count too, as different surfaces do? Will we be holding contests on who's the GOAT under rain and wind? GOAT in low humidity? GOAT in extreme heat?
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Djokovic is definitely the extreme heat GOAT. No doubt.
 
TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Great post, id like to add that his winning % in Slams is by far the highest ever, something like 15-20% higher than Sampras and Borg and as a result of that, he won as many Slams as Pete MUCH faster ;)
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I'm confused here. What winning % are you referring to here for Federer, Sampras, and Borg? For example, Borg won 11 of the 27 GS tourneys he ever played, which is approx. 41% of the Slams he played. That figure is quite a bit higher than Sampras' winning percentage definitely and it was higher than Federer's winning % as well (I think he's somewhat close, but in the upper 30's). Do you mean % of matches or something? Borg won 90% of the Grand Slam matches he played. On both counts, Borg has a higher "winning percentage" than either Federer or Sampras and has the Open Era record for each. He also has the highest winning percentage in terms of total matches played (ATP matches, official matches) at about 83%. 597–127 was his match record (82.46%)

What are the exact figures for Federer you are referring to?

Borg turned pro very early, started setting records in the "youngest player" category and then won a ton especially from ages 19-25. He was definitely a "prodigy" in that sense. What Borg doesn't get credit for often is his ability to avoid a lot of the early career "bad losses" experienced at Wimbledon and elsewhere by both Sampras (late in career especially but also some early in his career) and Federer (early in his career primarily).

Borg hit the scene and started winning a ton from the beginning of his career before retiring just before he was 26. Some say he therefore avoided "a lot of bad losses" later on, but that's speculation.
 
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cueboyzn said:
Federer has now won more slams than anyone as well as won Slams on FIVE different surfaces.

Grass - 6 times (5 consecutive Wimbledons + 1)
Clay - once (1 French Open)
Rebound Ace - 3 times (3 Australian Opens)
Plexicushion - once (1 Australian Open)
DecoTurf - 5 times (5 consecutive US Opens)

So:

Career Grand Slam, 16 Majors on 5 surfaces: greater than Laver (2 surfaces) and Agassi (4 surfaces)

Add in all the other records you like, 23 GS Semi finals, 18 of 19 GS Finals, 22 GS Finals total played in, 5 consecutive GS titles at 2 different GS events, won 3 different slams 4 times at least... and so on.

Anyone who tries to dispute his GOAT status is clearly wearing tinted glasses or blinkers. Not only does he have more slams than any man in history, but he has won them on FIVE surfaces. No one except Agassi has won theirs on four, and Agassi only won half as many slams as Roger.
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actually it must be more, since they resurface every once in a while... :rolleyes:

ps: how many more way to say "I love you Fed" is possible to invent?
 
TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Great post, id like to add that his winning % in Slams is by far the highest ever, something like 15-20% higher than Sampras and Borg and as a result of that, he won as many Slams as Pete MUCH faster ;)
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dude. you are about to replace Nadal_Freak as the king of made-up stats...
 
Can't wait for the next thread: Federer won Grand Slam titles on 16 seperate days.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Federer fan, but this kind of fishing for new records comes off as annoying to even me.

Noone cares about stuff like this:
Wikipedia said:
1. Federer is the first male player to be seeded first at 18 consecutive Grand Slam tournaments (2004 French Open - 2008 Wimbledon).
2. Federer has either won or lost to the eventual champion in a record 23 consecutive Grand Slam tournaments (2004 Wimbledon - current).
3. Federer won an all-time record 124 consecutive matches against players ranked outside of the Top 5 in Grand Slam tournaments (2004 Wimbledon - 2009 US Open). This streak came to an end against Juan Martin Del Potro, ranked #6 at the time, in the 2009 US Open finals. Del Potro was ranked #5 in the world by the end of the tournament.
4. Federer won an all-time record 75 consecutive sets in the first round of Grand Slam tournaments (2003 US Open - 2009 US Open). This streak, which included 24 consecutive straight set victories and lasted for six years, came to an end against Igor Andreev at the 2010 Australian Open.
5. Federer had never lost a Grand Slam match after leading two sets to love.
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I agree his is the greatest of all time, but he'll always have the Nadal blemish.

Lifetime he is 6-13 against him, and in Grand Slam events he's 2-5.
 
2-6 (correction). And 3 surfaces. Otherwise it can be argued, that grass courts in Britain, USA and Australia were different surfaces (more dry or burnt out, faster with short grass and slower with higher grass).
 
Big_Dangerous said:
I agree his is the greatest of all time, but he'll always have the Nadal blemish.

Lifetime he is 6-13 against him, and in Grand Slam events he's 2-5.
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7-13, but yeah...It's something that would be nice if Fed could close this gap a bit. Since he's 5-4 against Nadal off clay, it stands to reason that if they could meet on a faster HC or grass again, Fed might be able to get a couple of those back.

10-14 or 11-15 would sure look a lot better than 7-13.
 
BigServer1 said:
7-13, but yeah...It's something that would be nice if Fed could close this gap a bit. Since he's 5-4 against Nadal off clay, it stands to reason that if they could meet on a faster HC or grass again, Fed might be able to get a couple of those back.

10-14 or 11-15 would sure look a lot better than 7-13.
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What they really need to do is meet more in post Wimbledon tournaments, which has only happened TWICE in their career and Nadal didn't win a single set in those two matches.
 
If you look at the stats objectively (which I'm probably not able to do) there should be no doubt about his GOATness.. btw, Mats Wilander also won slams in 4 different surfaces, since he won AO both on grass and on rebound ace
 
BigServer1 said:
7-13, but yeah...It's something that would be nice if Fed could close this gap a bit. Since he's 5-4 against Nadal off clay, it stands to reason that if they could meet on a faster HC or grass again, Fed might be able to get a couple of those back.

10-14 or 11-15 would sure look a lot better than 7-13.
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Yeah my bad.

But I agree I just hope we can get the Roger Rafa rivalry going again, kind strange and sad that it's been over a calendar year with out these guys meeting at a Grand Slam event.
 
Yeah, but he'll never be GOAT because he missed the once-in-a-lifetime chance to win a slam on Green Clay

That's right, 2008 Wimbledon
 
TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Great post, id like to add that his winning % in Slams is by far the highest ever, something like 15-20% higher than Sampras and Borg and as a result of that, he won as many Slams as Pete MUCH faster ;)
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:lol:

Yeah, let's all make up facts!

Federer's hair is 300% more awesome than than that of anyone to pick up a tennis racquet in history, FACT.

Bananas are 38.64% yummier than Mangoes, FACT.

Gorecki uses 12% more logic than the average human, FACT!*













*the last fact is actually true, gorecki uses his combination of portuguese and canadian sets of logic to outwit event the wittiest of opponents... and drakulie
 
Blinkism said:
:lol:

Yeah, let's all make up facts!

Federer's hair is 300% more awesome than than that of anyone to pick up a tennis racquet in history, FACT.

Bananas are 38.64% yummier than Mangoes, FACT.

Gorecki uses 12% more logic than the average human, FACT!*













*the last fact is actually true, gorecki uses his combination of portuguese and canadian sets of logic to outwit event the wittiest of opponents... and drakulie
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:razz:
im not sure if i should feel this as a compliment but it sure made me laugh out hard...

ps: would you consider my witty posts to be built under the influence of the Voltaire school or are they 76,9% more shaped out of the Wilkes form of humour... :confused::)
 
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cueboyzn said:
Federer has now won more slams than anyone as well as won Slams on FIVE different surfaces.

Grass - 6 times (5 consecutive Wimbledons + 1)
Clay - once (1 French Open)
Rebound Ace - 3 times (3 Australian Opens)
Plexicushion - once (1 Australian Open)
DecoTurf - 5 times (5 consecutive US Opens)

So:

Career Grand Slam, 16 Majors on 5 surfaces: greater than Laver (2 surfaces) and Agassi (4 surfaces)

Add in all the other records you like, 23 GS Semi finals, 18 of 19 GS Finals, 22 GS Finals total played in, 5 consecutive GS titles at 2 different GS events, won 3 different slams 4 times at least... and so on.

Anyone who tries to dispute his GOAT status is clearly wearing tinted glasses or blinkers. Not only does he have more slams than any man in history, but he has won them on FIVE surfaces. No one except Agassi has won theirs on four, and Agassi only won half as many slams as Roger.
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1) not more than anyone or anyman, check your history
 
Gorecki said:
:razz:
im not sure if i should feel this as a compliment but it sure made me laugh out hard...

ps: would you consider my witty posts to be built under the influence of the Voltaire school or are they 76,9% more shaped out of the Wilkes form of humour... :confused::)
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I'd say it's a combination of 12% Wilde, 34.8271%, Moliere, 1/388ths Seinfeld, and the rest of it is just "concrete fact", "empirical data" and other random Gorecki-esque silliness.

:lol:
 
aldeayeah said:
Clay and grass vary a lot too depending on the weather, altitude, humidity, composition of the soil and grass variety. Look at 2009 RG vs 2008 RG. Or Madrid vs Monte Carlo. Or early nineties Wimbledon vs 2008 Wimbledon.

But isn't it pointless to go so far?

What's next? Will different weather conditions count too, as different surfaces do? Will we be holding contests on who's the GOAT under rain and wind? GOAT in low humidity? GOAT in extreme heat?
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lol, this was hilarious. I know what you meant, but lol.
 
More proof that Fed is a engineered robot,look at the leg position:

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Also,Rafa telling Andy to go for Fed's backhand:):

2010australianopenday95.jpg
 
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I think Fed is great and probably the GOAT, but seriously, now every variant of a surface is a different surface?

And, if surface variants (Decoturf, Rebound Ace and Pexicushion hardcourts, or old AO grass and Wimbledon grass) are indeed different surfaces, then why wouldn't the same surface playing playing differenly be a different surface?

I mean the point of stating that someone has won on different surfaces is to show that they can vary their game and suceeed no matter the surface, which is, ostensibly, more impressive than if they could only succeed on a smaller number of surfaces. The commentators at the AO stated that the Plexicusion at the AO played differently this year than last year - somewhat grittier, a little slower. So why not give Fed credit for six surfaces? (Grass, Clay, Decoturf, Rebound Ace, Plexicushion I and Plexicushion II).

And, grass just isn't grass. As we've talked about, Wimbledon has changed its grass, so any player winning on old wimbledon grass and new wimbledon grass should get credit for winning on two surfaces.

A different surface is simply a different condition. So a surface that is named one thing, but plays differently in different years, presents different conditions, the same as if it looked different and was named different.

In my opinion, what makes a harcourt unique is the sureness in the footing and the sureness in the bounce. Hardcourts have always varied in speed and height of bounce and "hardness" dependeing on what is underneath the top surface and what the top surface is coated with. I don't think I'm ready to call every possible variant a diferent surface no matter if it is given a different name. If we go beyond Slams, and consider all the playing conditions of courts on tour, Fed must have truly won on 25 surfaces by now.
 
bluetrain4 said:
I think Fed is great and probably the GOAT, but seriously, now every variant of a surface is a different surface?

And, if surface variants (Decoturf, Rebound Ace and Pexicushion hardcourts, or old AO grass and Wimbledon grass) are indeed different surfaces, then why wouldn't the same surface playing playing differenly be a different surface?

I mean the point of stating that someone has won on different surfaces is to show that they can vary their game and suceeed no matter the surface, which is, ostensibly, more impressive than if they could only succeed on a smaller number of surfaces. The commentators at the AO stated that the Plexicusion at the AO played differently this year than last year - somewhat grittier, a little slower. So why not give Fed credit for six surfaces? (Grass, Clay, Decoturf, Rebound Ace, Plexicushion I and Plexicushion II).

And, grass just isn't grass. As we've talked about, Wimbledon has changed its grass, so any player winning on old wimbledon grass and new wimbledon grass should get credit for winning on two surfaces.

A different surface is simply a different condition. So a surface that is named one thing, but plays differently in different years, presents different conditions, the same as if it looked different and was named different.

In my opinion, what makes a harcourt unique is the sureness in the footing and the sureness in the bounce. Hardcourts have always varied in speed and height of bounce and "hardness" dependeing on what is underneath the top surface and what the top surface is coated with. I don't think I'm ready to call every possible variant a diferent surface no matter if it is given a different name. If we go beyond Slams, and consider all the playing conditions of courts on tour, Fed must have truly won on 25 surfaces by now.
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excellent post...
you can make as many 'subsurfaces' ;) as you want but there are only only 3 differents surfaces for the current slams (hard, clay, grass).
by the way, talking about surfaces, let's blame once again the ATP for having removed carpet. this one was definitely a 4th surface, adding some diversity... :?
 
Blinkism said:
I'd say it's a combination of 12% Wilde, 34.8271%, Moliere, 1/388ths Seinfeld, and the rest of it is just "concrete fact", "empirical data" and other random Gorecki-esque silliness.

:lol:
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1/388ths Seinfeld?

oh well... and what would life be without a few flaws...:)
 
cueboyzn said:
Federer has now won more slams than anyone as well as won Slams on FIVE different surfaces.

Grass - 6 times (5 consecutive Wimbledons + 1)
Clay - once (1 French Open)
Rebound Ace - 3 times (3 Australian Opens)
Plexicushion - once (1 Australian Open)
DecoTurf - 5 times (5 consecutive US Opens)

So:

Career Grand Slam, 16 Majors on 5 surfaces: greater than Laver (2 surfaces) and Agassi (4 surfaces)
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If Rebound Ace is different from Plexicushion from DecoTurf, then Wimbledon grass is different from White City grass and very different from Forest Hills grass.
 
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